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A dangerous precedent being set Started by: Ryant on May 16, '21 11:52

Role play is a form of creative writing , but it is not just creative writing it  has structure and it has universal rules . 
These universal rules were created by the  universal Role Play community over the last 25 years. 

 I am rather surprised that the majority of people who claim to roleplay do not do so  within  the universal rules of Roleplaying. Roleplaying has rules because it is not simply just creative writing , it is a game in itself, and every game has rules to follow.

Where dose my knowledge of the roleplay Universal rules come from? 
I have over 25 years of roleplaying experience, I have been  in admin positions on roleplay games enforcing roleplay protocol, I have been a forum mod on a couple games for this purpose also, I even helped a game develop their roleplay forum from the bottom up. 

One of the biggest rules of RP is to keep your post on topic of the  OP's (original posters)  initial post. 

This is the biggest rule broken on Mafia Returns, usually used by manipulative, insecure people as a way to Troll or attack a person in a passive aggressive way.

Being Off topic  also is not enforced for what ever reason, I know this from  experience.

I reported a post for being off topic  ( in a thread I started).

The staff that replied told me that while "the post was off topic, it was staying because it was well written and it was dead thread. "

First it is not a dead thread that is why it is on the first page of the BD it is in, because it is active.  Only active threads are on the first page of the BD. Second off it doesn't matter how well written it , it is off topic.  The person can copy and past that OFF Topic piece in a BA and then repost it  in their own piece or even repost it a thread where it won't appear so off topic. 

 

It is off topic but well written, so it stays",  is a dangerous precedent to set for this community because to many use the means of off topic posting as a way to troll people or passive aggressively attack other people, or to even ruin other peoples written works. 

 

Off-Topic posts  are  off topic no matter the age of the thread and no matter the quality of writing. 

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Could I suggest that the real skill in roleplay is to be able to incorporate whatever is presented to you within the context of the thread that you are trying to achieve? You will always get hecklers etc, the skill is in managing the response I think...you can show someone their place quiet nicely in RP without being so overtly - you may not even discuss that here ever the theme is x stick to it or get out - kind of way. I can appreciate it is annoying but there might be another approach that actually demonstrates even more creatively your RP skills...? Just my 2 dollars worth...it is on topic and not meant to be offensive just an observation....

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Heya Ryant thanks for bringing this to the public rather than waiting for me to respond to your mail to have a private discussion about it. 

Now, you say 

First it is not a dead thread that is why it is on the first page of the BD it is in, because it is active.

Well depending on your definition of active, you posted in it writing as a dead character, and someone else posted in it. I can not see account histories, so I have no way to know that the thread was originally started by you in 2018. I can see it was started then, and knowing that it's your thread I can see that the majority of the posts are by you. So even in its heyday, it wasn't an overly active thread unless you posted. 

Now congratulations on the 25 years of Roleplay experience, and admin experience in doing so. I'm really pleased for you, that's huge. Your knowledge is an asset to the community if used correctly. Unfortunately, instead of reaching out to Rembrandt to see how you could incorporate his post into a story in your old old business, encouraging writing on a site that does not write as much as it used to (I mean you've seen it over the years, right? You have vast experience and knowledge), you want a well-written post removed because it's out of character for a dead abandoned thread from 2018 that is only active because YOU decided to post in it, roleplaying with yourself. Which, since you're writing both characters you would obviously know that it is not roleplaying unless you're god-modding yourself, and the bodyguard. It's you telling a story. 

Now given that Role Play always involves a second person, a real person, one could argue that your post is out of character. Clearly, anyone who comes to the thread can see the name you are speaking to is dead and the bodyguard in question isn't real. So why is your post ok but his is not? Casinos contain many back rooms, hidden areas, and places where shady business can be done. I was giving the benefit of the doubt that he had decided to creatively use one of those for his post, which means it is not OOC. It is in Character and in a suitable location for accidental murder. 

TL;DR - We want people to write and so if an effort is put in, and it is not disrupting the thread, the post is fine. 

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Unfortunately I can not edit my post, but I wanted to make sure what I thought Role-playing was correct. And a quick google has led me to Wikipedia where they state, 

Though there are countless different rules systems and game-specific rules, there is a single universal criterion that separates role-playing from collaborative writing — there must be a variable under the control of one or more players that some other players cannot control.

Now, I've skimmed some of your posts and many of them are just you with no opening to engage other users or allow them to join your story. Almost as if you are posting for the sake of it, instead of wanting to post to create a story or role-play with other people. 

You can not cite your experience and bang on about how you know so much while failing to adhere to the ONE rule that is standard in all forms of role playing. I see why you reported it, and I have explained why it will stay. Since it's not "your business" as the original owner is dead, it does not affect you, and from a character standpoint, you've left. 

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Duncan walked through the alley without looking around. Underneath his coat he hid a .45 and a live chicken. The chicken made a soft bwak bwak so Duncan choked it quietly. He quickly glanced at the man who was standing on a box speaking and realized he may have been unheard. Duncan quickened his pace to leave.

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Just out of the curiosity of my brain, if you have 25 years of writing experience, why exactly is all your writing subpar and your grammar is a C at best
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holy shit stop it, she's already dead!

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Your only mistake here is believing anyone on MR gives a single fuck about any rules anywhere.
Carry on
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I am not roleplaying here anymore.

That post was completely out of context and it disrupted the storyline I had going for the original character I posted it with and with this one. Something that is regularly done here and disregarded because of the quality of writing.

This is not the first time that this has been done to me and my roleplays over the years. It was however the first time I thought someone would do something because there was finally an RP Mod here. 

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I'm not convinced you are discussing RP tbh...it sounds more like a scripted topical speech....RP can go anywhere that is the point of it...we have all had the drunken stranger fall into our businesses or speeches warbling on about lizards in the basement or how shit the shop is campared to the one further down the street etc....RP requires you to take it and run with it......or make it clear you business is only for the following named people that you trust to keep to your script. You mention it is not the first time it has been done to you, shows a pride in your RP for sure - it will not be the first time it is done to anyone it is the nature of roleplaying...and really the fact that a RP moderator has extensively explained the reasoning who likely has as much if not more experience in RP and not be able to take that on the chin speaks volumes (on topic speaking). Sad if you feel you won't RP anymore as it is a big part of the experience - maybe just let the weirdos in too and 'play' with it a little it really can work wonders if you manage it well or with humour etc...

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If you think Rp can be random than you are doing it wrong. It is scripted. That is why people collab. on them.  Rp is not not just random writings together it tells a story and when you come along like many do here and post off topic of the post it ruins  it .Y

ou people know it does. so quit defending  trolls or that is all you are going  have in the forums is people who troll in the streets , then it will  truly be dead, but that is the purpose of people posting off topic like that, to push the people out the forums they don't want there.  So like I said a dangerous precedent has been set. 

Also I am not the only person who has had their posts ruined like this. Nor am I the only one  who has stopped roleplaying here due to it.  I am   as usual the one speaking up.  

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Sorry Nova I disagree......to an extent....bear with me....

RP is defined by its name. In character on the streets or in a business. To 'read' from a script is called a play that ones goes to see without participation in. I accept that  in back alleys practice is done to hope to achieve an outcome but that cannot be achieved in a vaccum away from anyone else that might want to walk the streets or pop into the shop/barbers/cafe whatever...

If you enjoy writing that's awesome, scripting it all though to the exclusion of others is not RP in a community setting. I get it - the hecklers are a pain in the arse, the drunks rambling on about something random and not connected is annoying....the skill in RP not scripted is using it for the better of the speach or business. People very easily show their colours when they 'act out' and others see or hear it for what it is and draw their opinions. Ignore, engage, deflect, incorporate or manipulate into the RP there is the skill. I speak as someone as equally passionate about 'proper' RP but see it a different way....

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Hey Nova, there's this really fantastic thing thats been invented to easily research to defend your arguments or even find out you're completely wrong. They're called internet search engines, might I suggest google?
There are different styles of RP. Improv RP is one of them. If you aren't happy with the primary RP style of a game, instead of trying to force it down everyone else's throats, how about find something better fitting to your style. Very few people are interested in reading solo scripted RP threads of a single person. The majority of which are nearly impossible to get involved in as they aren't written in a way to include others. So like I believe someone else has already mentioned, its seems to be more rewards fluffing than anything, and quite boring.
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Just to add a note to this. If you want to RP by yourself or with other individuals you can use the Back Alley forum and then move the finished piece anywhere you want it. This way you can have your RP without outside influence.

There are features in place to make this possible already, coming out here and complaining and trying to gatekeep your RP isn't a great look. 

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I don't understand how you think your post was ruined? 

You come in, have an interaction and leave. The post was a "Meeting" in private with 2 people that are NPCs basically, so they can't talk about you whilst you're not there. 

You leave the business. Unless you plan on coming back to write more with yourself, what is the issue? There are a few things that could happen, and I am genuinely curious which option you would prefer. 

 

1.) You are able to come back and post as 3 people in one post, carrying on as your former dead character and NPC Bodyguard. There is no additional interaction from other uses. 

2.) Even though the business is old and the owner is clearly dead, users start to post in it for its intended purpose, which I believe was a casino? 

3.) No one ever posts in it again, instead marveling at your brilliant prose and linguistic skills, watching in hopes that you will grace them with another sentence or two. 

 

There might be others, I had a longer list in my head, but I got distracted and forgot. But I will say if the idea is you want point 2 to be the goal, then why did you discuss advertising/promotions rather than playing blackjack? 

I really don't want to argue about it, from a RP standpoint everything is fine. I just don't know why this is the hill you've chosen to die on and why you're so offended that someone posted after your character left the building. 

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