Well, I figure this needs to be addressed given the large scale of on going discussion in OOC Avenue and IRC Avenue.

The Gods have decided to enforce a retirement of the Robots in our world, a decision that surprised many of us but one I hope will help us embark on a new future. I would like people to actually look at the list of retired Robots and ask themselves, do you really think all these Robots having such a valued status in our community was good? Really?

I am open to everyone and anyone giving their opinion on this. Provided of course they remain respectful. I have no issue with people telling me that I and others made a wrong choice, but as yet i'm not convinced the choice was actually a wrong one.


RobertParish Stamina Capo Retired Oct 22, '11 20:26 Nov 17, '11 07:37
CliffordBleicher Stamina Capo Retired Oct 22, '11 20:26 Nov 17, '11 07:37
Russelldubuc Stamina Capo Retired Oct 22, '11 23:19 Nov 17, '11 07:37
heisserer Stamina Capo Retired Oct 23, '11 10:31 Nov 17, '11 07:37
Alejandro Stamina Capo Retired Oct 23, '11 17:21 Nov 17, '11 07:37
_RonaldSauer Stamina Capo Retired Oct 24, '11 22:01 Nov 17, '11 07:37
PaulSinka Stamina Capo Retired Oct 25, '11 19:36 Nov 17, '11 07:37
JohnOffret Stamina Capo Retired Oct 25, '11 20:10 Nov 17, '11 07:37
BobRomey Stamina Capo Retired Oct 26, '11 21:59 Nov 17, '11 07:37
Self Stamina Capo Retired Oct 29, '11 15:09 Nov 17, '11 07:37
PatrickTayse Stamina Capo Retired Oct 29, '11 16:10 Nov 17, '11 07:37
geoffreygraves Stamina Made Man Retired Nov 04, '11 23:22 Nov 17, '11 07:37
ChrisMartindelcamp Stamina Made Man Retired Nov 04, '11 23:22 Nov 17, '11 07:37
Cory_cornelius Stamina Made Man Retired Nov 04, '11 23:22 Nov 17, '11 07:37
GeorgeHill Stamina Goomba Retired Nov 12, '11 12:47 Nov 17, '11 07:37
Merk PizzaTheHut Capo Retired Oct 24, '11 18:12 Nov 17, '11 07:32
Fred PizzaTheHut Capo Retired Oct 25, '11 19:04 Nov 17, '11 07:32
Nikki-Searight PizzaTheHut Capo Retired Oct 26, '11 03:42 Nov 17, '11 07:32
_JamesPhillips PizzaTheHut Capo Retired Oct 28, '11 06:46 Nov 17, '11 07:32
ChadwickTatsuno PizzaTheHut Capo Retired Oct 30, '11 20:13 Nov 17, '11 07:32
Brianpassarelli PizzaTheHut Capo Retired Oct 31, '11 16:09 Nov 17, '11 07:32
-virgilgalloway PizzaTheHut Capo Retired Nov 02, '11 00:16 Nov 17, '11 07:32
Marc_McCommon PizzaTheHut Made Man Retired Nov 03, '11 08:22 Nov 17, '11 07:32
Kerry PizzaTheHut Goomba Retired Nov 14, '11 12:22 Nov 17, '11 07:32
Singleton None Gangster Dead Nov 10, '11 07:25 Nov 17, '11 07:25
Peoples JessicaRabbit Capo Retired Oct 22, '11 17:22 Nov 17, '11 07:15
_PennyDriver JessicaRabbit Capo Retired Oct 22, '11 17:22 Nov 17, '11 07:15
kennethbailey JessicaRabbit Capo Retired Oct 23, '11 19:45 Nov 17, '11 07:15
Wiebusch JessicaRabbit Capo Retired Oct 31, '11 09:28 Nov 17, '11 07:15
lorrainepjetrovic JessicaRabbit Earner Retired Nov 09, '11 10:54 Nov 17, '11 07:15
Kristina_quevedo EvilClown Made Man Retired Nov 04, '11 15:29 Nov 17, '11 07:13
Jones EvilClown Made Man Retired Nov 04, '11 15:29 Nov 17, '11 07:13
Hendricks EvilClown Wise Guy Retired Nov 07, '11 08:28 Nov 17, '11 07:13
Johnson EvilClown Wise Guy Retired Nov 08, '11 08:53 Nov 17, '11 07:13
Matus EvilClown Earner Retired Nov 10, '11 19:34 Nov 17, '11 07:13
Wright EvilClown Earner Retired Nov 11, '11 08:37 Nov 17, '11 07:13
Stevenramsey- None Gangster Dead Nov 10, '11 07:09 Nov 17, '11 07:09
GeorgeKeys Ashes Made Man Retired Nov 04, '11 21:05 Nov 17, '11 07:08
mccrea Ashes Made Man Retired Nov 05, '11 10:33 Nov 17, '11 07:08
marcel Ashes Wise Guy Retired Nov 06, '11 14:04 Nov 17, '11 07:08
George Ashes Earner Retired Nov 09, '11 23:14 Nov 17, '11 07:08
George_Gholson Ashes Earner Retired Nov 11, '11 03:10 Nov 17, '11 07:08
Biber Ashes Earner Retired Nov 12, '11 01:36 Nov 17, '11 07:08
GaryLivingston- Jammin- Made Man Retired Nov 05, '11 02:00 Nov 17, '11 07:06
JohnMarreo Jammin- Made Man Retired Nov 05, '11 02:00 Nov 17, '11 07:06
Garrettmoore Jammin- Wise Guy Retired Nov 06, '11 22:31 Nov 17, '11 07:06
StanleyReinstein Jammin- Wise Guy Retired Nov 07, '11 21:56 Nov 17, '11 07:06
OliverBaumgardner Jammin- Wise Guy Retired Nov 08, '11 07:56 Nov 17, '11 07:06
Vannorman Jammin- Wise Guy Retired Nov 08, '11 09:44 Nov 17, '11 07:06
JamesKatis Jammin- Wise Guy Retired Nov 08, '11 10:40 Nov 17, '11 07:06
ShelbyBailey Jammin- Wise Guy Retired Nov 08, '11 10:40 Nov 17, '11 07:06
Tyo LottaBEssen Capo Retired Oct 27, '11 14:05 Nov 17, '11 07:00
RichardJohnson LottaBEssen Capo Retired Oct 27, '11 14:06 Nov 17, '11 07:00
Walter_Orlin_ LottaBEssen Capo Retired Oct 31, '11 02:38 Nov 17, '11 07:00
Horikoshi LottaBEssen Capo Retired Oct 31, '11 02:39 Nov 17, '11 07:00
CarlaPotter LottaBEssen Capo Retired Oct 31, '11 02:39 Nov 17, '11 07:00
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Carr JewishJake Capo Retired Oct 26, '11 03:11 Nov 17, '11 06:42
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Personally, I am looking forward to the upcoming changes that City Hall workers will be implementing into our society to change the way that these "robots" as you call them work for us. I cannot wait to see the changes that they bring with them and hope that the staff down at City Hall can be given a bit of a thank you for listening to YOUR concerns and adapting our society to meet everyone's needs.

Specs arrives with a collection of festive hats, kazoo, and a cake.

I heard a party was going on... Oh wow, that comes to...82 dead robots if my counting is correct, and at 6 mil reimbursed that comes to...492 million dollars has just been introduced.  Upon checking the commercial records at the Fed, that's roughly a 61% increase in total currency.  I think.

She stands shaking her head...

The financial implications won't be taken into account though.. So much for a somewhat balanced economy. I am pretty sure the leaders that lost their "robots" will enjoy the payout and not one complaint will be heard about it from them.

I cannot wait to see the changes that they bring with them and hope that the staff down at City Hall can be given a bit of a thank you for listening to YOUR concerns and adapting our society to meet everyone's needs.

I concur entirely. I look forward to seeing the changes from City Hall, too. I also wish to convey my thanks to the those in power in City Hall if this move was made due to the concerns of the criminal world.

My mistake, 76 dead robots, 456 million dollar reimbursement, 58% increase.

Specs, the increase you speak of is somewhat blurred. You forget to take into account the fact a portion of that revenue would have been received in due course from the Robot anyway. So its not as big a difference as you might think.

Sure, I agree though, it has been a big bump in earnings for some, but lest we forget these people paid to hire the robots and the money received will be used to recoup the Credits from the marketplace that they had used for said purchase.

That's true.  I did forget to take into account the regular earning "schedule" by the robots.  I also agree that these people are certainly entitled to be reimbursed for their losses.  I'm not trying to say anything bad about these aspects and I do hope that the new money goes to recouping the spent credits as well.  I'm merely pointing out the big bump itself as an economic "shock".  It's a large, sudden increase in money floating around.

Good thing those special coins used to purchase the robotic Neato Pet Monkeys are around $100,000 cheaper than they were back then eh? They'll be able to recoup their losses in the special coin department just fine now, in fact they'll be able to purchase a few more coins even since they walked away with a more than fairly sized profit.

It's ok, a massive injection of money into the world economy is always a good thing rather than a slow and steady pace that would balance things out a bit more. I'm sure those poor leaders who suddenly have millions that would have taken up to 30 days to earn are going to complain. Especially since average earnings were between 4 and 5 million and the leaders were given around 6 million per Neato Pet Monkey.

Those nasty little Neato Pet Monkeys were so hated I don't see why future earnings were taken into account. I think that a refund of the original purchase price would have been appropriate. They weren't wanted anyway, why should the money they could have earned been taken into account as well? No bonuses should have been given in my eyes. They were the bane of our society. Yet every leader who had one still profited as if they still had them and none killed them as soon as the Godfather Council had made it's decision so as not to lose those precious dollars they earned.

Hurrah, the NPMs are gone. We can try to return to a normal sense of life. While I believe it is the single worst decision ever, whats done is done. Now we will really see what those in bold suits are made of when they're required to actually interact with members and make themselves known. Good luck to you all with that venture.

Just curious Mona, who was it who decided to inject a massive amount of money into the world economy and who was it who advocated to just let the NPMs complete the contracts at their usual pace and usually earning capacity?

~G~rin.

The folks down at City Hall of course. After the Godfather Council left them struggling to come up with viable ways to maintain the world as we know it. They really have no choice but to instill the changes in the way that these automatons work within the world rather than omit the very existence of them entirely. There are expenses that they must cover in order for the population of this thing of ours to have somewhere to populate after all.

I'm looking forward to seeing how these new crooked additions make up for the loss of the Neato Pet Monkeys and hope that there is a way for City Hall to recoup some of their lost income as well.

THE_SINGER claps!

FINALLY! I just wish i could have been the one to kill George!

THE_SINGER stops and looks at the list again.

BIBER...Noooo. You were taken way to soon my little robotic singing amigo. For all the other NPMS, i hate you.

Well, I don't know how the folks in City Hall think and neither do you. I don't know what expenses they must cover and neither do you. I don't know what they need to do to maintain the world and neither do you, because this is our world and here power makes the rules and decides what is right and what is wrong. The Godfather Council decided that NPMs weren't in the best interests of their families and their cities, including the boss of your own city.

So, your concerns over the balance of the economy are best addressed to those folks down at City Hall, as any influx of cash or knock on effects of that are as a result of their decisions and not those of the Godfather Council who advocated letting NPMs complete their contracts.

Glad we could clear that up.

~G~rin.

Ugh, who should I cyber noaw?!

Atleast they never complained about harassment...

I was quite pleased when i awoke from my slumber to find the Gods had pulled the plug on these robots. They were a general annoyance. One thing that pleases me is that now you can actually see how many people a crew has, real people, that actually get things done. This is a great decision, i am sure in a couple of days the NPM's will have been completely forgotten about.

since this is ooc now its fucking hilarious how everyone was so agaisnt the the npms but look at how many crews where loaded with them. it really looks like people where talking out of both sides of their face.

Hurley your tunnel vision on this is blinding you to obvious facts.

If everyone uses NPMs and you don't, you fall behind, so you use them as well. This was explained in the actual summary of the GF Council meeting.

~G~rin.

The only issue I have with this is that the Godfather Council never said it was a permanent ban on npms but one that would be revisited if needbe. If thats the case then removing them from the game completely takes away the chance to revisit it. Maybe in a month's time they would have decided it had a negative impact and brought them back assuming the godfather council still stands at that time. Is it ok to take away that feature in this situation? I guess we all need more evidence before we can take it any further.

I'm fairly new here, so there must be missing something because NPM's don't make a lot of sense to me.

They take a spot a regular family member could have, and let's say they earn 6m (which I've been told is a generous estimate). They cost approx 3m (10 credits, let's say 300k a credit for arguments sake), which means over the course of a month, they earn approx 3m, which is less than a human member would make. They don't fight back in wars, they don't contribute to the crewleaders defence, they're inferior to human members in pretty much every way possible. I understand that ofc, if you have 5 free spaces, you'd be tempted to then get NPMs in to fill the gaps, but if I were a leader I'd much rather have a human family member? I don't really understand banning them because as far as I can tell, it actually weakens a crew to have them really?