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Accountability of Rogues | Started by: Psychopath on Jan 08, '13 17:01 |
We all know rogues today don’t pose a serious threat like they once did. However, they still manage to take away innocent lives, and most of those lives are well respected members of this community. I know there’s only so much a CL can do to prevent this, but what it really comes down, is the time when their members become made. So my question is….
Do you think a CL/GF should be accountable when their own made members go rogue? And how much accountability should they endure even though it was completely out of their hands?
I remember back in the day when cities were burned to the ground because of this very reason. Although this was a different course of action since rogues back then were able to do a lot more damage. But I am more curious to know how many respected members need to be shot down in order for something to be done about it? Let’s say a wave of rogues take away 15 innocent lives over a course of 4 months. Is this more acceptable than having rogues take away 15 innocent lives under a month? And yes I know, in general, rogues are absolutely unacceptable in any circumstance, but my question still stands. I’m not out here in the streets to discuss a better plan of preventing someone from going rogue, because we all know, rogues will always exist until the day we die. But I’m here to ask you how much accountability should a CL/GF take when their members go rogue, and in some cases, multiple times.
I am curious to see the community's thought process behind this matter. Thank you for your time!
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There is only so much a CL/GF can do. I don't think it's fair to take down a city because of the odd rogue/rogues. |
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Reply by: ThomasAnderson at Jan 08, '13 17:12 | |
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I have stated this was a different course of action back then when rogues were considered a threat towards a CL's life. I'm more curious about our time, like when a certain threshold is met, what should happen next (if anything at all)? |
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Reply by: Psychopath at Jan 08, '13 17:28 | |
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The issue with punishing a CL for the actions of a rogue is two fold. Firstly, there is little rhyme or reason to going rogue. Generally you have 2 kinds, the first is the rogue who feels his ancestor was hard done by, the second is the rogue who goes of the ranch from boredom. How can you tell which is which? Its impossible to tell. My bloodline has never gone rogue in 11 years, despite feeling hard done by or disappointed in former CLs, but this doesn't mean that my son or grandson might not go rogue if things changed. |
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Reply by: Raoul_Silva at Jan 08, '13 17:49 | |
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As stated there are few things a Crew Leader or Godfather can do to prevent a Rogue from emerging. Even with good recruitment, training and nurturing, some people were either dead set on Roguing from the start or experience some sort of temporary insanity. Either way, they will conceal their intent.
I think the true accountability is on how that Crew Leader deals with the Rogue once he or she emerges. How they deploy their killers and how communicative they are with their fellow leaders. These are the things that I think reflect on any Leader.
I remember in the no too distant past, a city was erased in part because their hitters did not focus on a Rogue while the rest of the population was fighting to stop him. In this case it was not the fact that a Rogue existed, but the response to that Rogue that ultimately caused damage. |
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Reply by: Bearpocalypse at Jan 08, '13 17:55 | |
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I think Bearpocalypse has hit the nail on the head with this one. |
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Reply by: LilacDelaney at Jan 08, '13 18:20 | |
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Why stop there? |
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Reply by: Kirill at Jan 08, '13 19:23 | |
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Well Kirill , since I've been around in this world of ours.. bloodlining has never been a good thing.. No matter how bad they are , who they previously were or who there alter-ego/father/grandfathers reputation etc.
This world of ours is who YOU are.. Not your father and so on.
But as what was said before.. Rogues are extremely hard to route out as you can never really know until its actually done.. I dont think anyone is responsible that a man may rogue , Raoul hit the nail on the head really. |
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Reply by: Mudkip at Jan 08, '13 21:13 | |
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Think about it from another point of view, why in earth would a CL and GF want to agree to this?
Betting that no gun happy lunatic from their city will loose it one day and start shooting and risk their crew's lives?
I heard that back in the day of the might cheesemakers, they shoved that agenda down the throats of the other crews, and you know how they managed to do that? POWER.
They held everyone's balls in their hands.
When you can do that, you can implement such changes. |
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Reply by: DedShot at Jan 08, '13 21:32 | |
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Mudkip, I was being sarcastic in my previous post sir. |
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Reply by: Kirill at Jan 08, '13 21:36 | |
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Also i don't get why so many of you keep bringing up topic's set on the old day's and how thing's used to go down. Well for one this is not the old day's. We have our own set of rules now and we don't abide by the past. So, im not trying to be rude or anything but enough with "That's how it was in the old day's."
Believe me i love the old day's and miss them as much as the next mafioso but they are long and gone. Deal with what's happening now. |
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Reply by: JoeyRasca at Jan 08, '13 21:46 | |
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A boss can't possibly be considered responsible for the actions of his member who decided to go rogue. In this thing of ours, you can never know who may turn out to be a rogue. |
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Reply by: Padrino at Jan 08, '13 22:25 | |
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Joey , we base many decisions and connections on the way of the old days, without previous occurences happening.. Some may not know the correct decision to make.
While this isn't the 'Old days' alot of us still keep in regards every day. |
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Reply by: Mudkip at Jan 08, '13 22:38 | |
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Well, you can actually hold GF/CL's to accountable to a certain extent. |
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Reply by: Camzilla at Jan 08, '13 23:33 | |
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Camzilla. While i see where your coming from with that, I disagree. |
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Reply by: TyrionLannister at Jan 08, '13 23:44 | |
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TyrionLannister, that's sort of what I had in mind, just didn't get out of my mouth lol. |
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Reply by: Camzilla at Jan 09, '13 00:13 | |
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Before I add anything else, I feel I should address Mr Rasca's statement:
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Reply by: LilacDelaney at Jan 09, '13 06:36 | |
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Heisenberg stands up from the back of the room and gives Ms.Lilac a round of applause for the wonderful speech she had just given |
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Reply by: Heisenberg at Jan 09, '13 10:42 | |
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As everyone will agree, rogues are bad for business. |
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Reply by: MichaelLaMotta at Jan 09, '13 15:09 | |
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"Well, you can actually hold GF/CL's to accountable to a certain extent"
This has nothing to do with old/new ways, I see it as a simple fact of life, every single GF would rather tend to his own interests and protect his own, AS HE/SHE SHOULD BE DOING. |
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Reply by: DedShot at Jan 09, '13 17:56 | |
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