{I can tell you the effects of putting this in, because Squishy already stated them.


"We can increase the cost to use the hitlist, remove the 300k subsidy for random MIAs, increase wackback jail and set it to lose drugs on jailing, increase cost to spawn MIAs and BG Location.

These are just some of the fair ways to offset the cost to those that benefit from it - unfortunately, they all kind of suck.

Any options that we add in that put money into the game that wasn't there originally, we need to offset it (and hopefully by those who benefit from it, and not the ones who dont)"


Before anyone says that this is money that was already there - it isn't. Because before when they died it would have all been lost, which makes it money that wouldn't have been there before.

I don't think that any of those options are appealing, I would prefer to keep stuff at the same cost it currently is, which is why I won't be supporting this suggestion.}

{It is no different than them sending the money off to someone else before they die. And we don't do anything to offset that. No one is penalized for that. No one is punished for that.}

so dumb how its all blacked out lol wtf is the point

The text being redacted is just for the PC members to discuss stuff amongst themselves Tony. Your not missing anything I promise.

{The most money is lost when people are hit unaware, which is 99% of the time. This change would obviously change that in that even hit unaware they won't lose all their money, which still means more money in the game than before!}

{DS is essentially arguing what I've been saying the whole time. Think more about what it's like actually in the middle of a war. Even if you do survive a wave on the otherside, most of the credits are already bought up (by that other side that's attacking you) so who knows where the money you have will end up. Yes, we're aware that you can send it off, but still... people often times risk it. The people with a lot of money, CLs and bigger guns, tend to keep it on hand so they can fly every hour.... etc etc. The RP aspect should also be considered.... We should probably start talking out of redacted text.}

{And if we had a little inflation in the game, credit prices might drop. From an RP standpoint? I just watched the Soprano's and I'm pretty sure the episode I watched they killed a guy on a boat and lifted his jewelry. Soooooo seems pretty realistic/rp'ish to me that someone would take money off someone they shot. Also, as previously stated, it could be a hit and miss thing, not a guaranteed you're going to get money every time.}

Its clear there are people with polar opposite opinions, I say we all just respect those opinions. I would welcome some fresh faces airing their own views if they have any and allow those with crystal clear views to take a step back and listen to everyone else for a while rather than continue to forcify their own stance.

I say that as someone that supports this idea fully, its clear I support it so I wont continue to push that fact.

{Thank you for that addition... Point is... Destruction of wealth as I've said all along... is important... no reason to give any other opportunities to salvage it.}

Took me a while to get through this.. 2 sittings actually.

For the economy argument, there have been recent game changes which have taken money out of the game.

We have had...

*BG pricing has changed so it can't be done as cheaply. http://mafiareturns.com/comm/thread/315078#36322016

*DFP' prices have been drastically elevated. http://mafiareturns.com/comm/thread/315068#295496

*Selling witness statement prices have been halved. http://mafiareturns.com/comm/thread/310808#3961942

Add those to the fact that credits are at an all time high. I'm pretty sure (could be wrong, might be a different game) that a few months back the drug pricing was changed so that the maximums were reduced 5% and the minimums were increased by 5%.

I think enough has been taken out of the game to give (using Vazzi's numbers) 4% back to people who have actually DONE something to earn it (killing another user... I don't believe we should get any money for shooting anything else. ie. MIA, RIA, NPC, etc.). We used to give 10k away just for being online and getting a witness statement. Don't see the harm in giving back a reward for playing the game well. Let's not forget that there aren't exactly wars every week anymore, so it's not like this '4%' is going to be recycled back into the game on a regular basis.

If someone is shot who has a stash of money/drugs/whatever is of value on hand, there's a very good chance the killer would rob the dead body.

We could always just make sure we bank money like some do now PP'ing is on its separate timer...

I like the idea and hence I will sponsor it.

The cash inflation issue to me, isn't really an issue. The game itself will balance itself out over time as does everything without massive intervention at the start.

I don't see as a feature you taking everyones money, I would say you would take a % of the cash which is held on hand and then the kick back to a player restarting is based on the cash they have banked up.

I agree with El_Nino. Thank you Squishy and Countdown for both your inputs! I think if we can set this at a good % and make it so that it happens randomly, it really shouldn't have that big of an effect. I would also like to think we'd take the time to see what kind of impact it would make before making changing in other areas, as those changes may not even be needed.