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Artoremic Theory & Realism | Started by: Artorem on Apr 26, '13 22:46 |
Preface: I'm new on these shores. These are my observations from my discussions with some of you wonderful people. From these observations I have drawn a theory and conclusion which I think could be very insightful. This conclusion, which I've so egotistically named "Artoremic Theory", should at least stir discussion within and between the city heads, crew leaders, and their members. Enjoy. Realism The State of the Nation It seems even though things are calm, they're also very tense. The obituaries show minimal inter-city violence. However, with the introduction of Al_Capone and Salvatore_Lucania in their respective cities, it appears as though Chicago is dealing with their infestation a bit more convincingly than New York. Lucania has 4x the members still fighting the war, while Chicago has nearly extinguished Capone. Such a show of strength can't be ignored. Artoremic Theory
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Reply by: Kuku- at Apr 26, '13 22:53 | |
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Chicago is home to 246 Mobsters New York is home to 167 Mobsters Just pointing that out. Id like to commend Chicago on their swift handling of these invading crews, they are doing a bang up job. |
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Reply by: Alexander at Apr 26, '13 23:04 | |
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I usually don't respond to speeches made by mobsters without any Family-affiliations other than to maybe ridicule but you do raise some points. I do have issues with a few of those.
Why is it not okay? We are in the mafia after all. If taking out another city means you get to place a Godfather or Don there who will pay you regular tributes, please do go ahead and do it. It's something I would do and I am fully convinced that it isn't wrong. Greed is what keeps our world in a constant state of motion. The need to make more money. The need to get a bigger gun. The need to have more people protecting you. All that seems to be okay, so why should the need to expand your operations not be okay? If a Gangster is greedy, it's alright but when a Godfather gets greedy 'zomg, no fairrr!'? Ok, now onto my point. Wars have been and will continue to be conducted for whatever reason the leadership of a particular city wants. If my Godfather was to say tomorrow that we are going to war with another city because he doesn't like one of the suits the other Godfather wears, I would do nothing more than to follow him into the fight and fight like hell to make sure we win. Wars don't really need a reason, in my opinion. Compared to all that, greed seems to be a very decent and acceptable reason.
You know, for some reason, I am starting to think that this particular comment was directed. You call it cowardice, I call it having the good sense to not endanger more lives thanks to a legitimate mistake. I call it a purely business oriented decision without any emotional entanglements. After all, nothing is personal, is it? Again, however, this goes back to my original point. Wars will be conducted for some sort of a bullshit reason or they won't be even for such a reason. It all goes back to the relationships between the leaders of each city.
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Reply by: Elijah at Apr 27, '13 03:11 | |
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Why is it not okay? We are in the mafia after all... Greed is what keeps our world in a constant state of motion... Wars don't really need a reason, in my opinion. Like I said, this stems from my discussions with the residents of these shores. The overwhelming majority of them favored peace over conflict. However, I will certainly tally you in opposition to that. To be honest, I agree with you. However, we are in the minority, and it takes some element of public support for a Godfather to actually make a move these days. I call it a purely business oriented decision without any emotional entanglements. After all, nothing is personal, is it? I suppose these statements speak volumes. The examples I gave were the murders of a RHM or a LHM. In either case, I'd hope (and somewhat expect) their leader to have some element of loyalty to them. As a matter of fact, I fail to see how killing an R/LHM isn't personal. That's the definition of personal. And if anyone's death has a price, what's stopping leaders from auctioning off the lives of their members? It seems extreme, but it's not an illogical conclusion. In my opinion, I think the men and women at the top have disguised their fear as "good business sense", and the masses have, for whatever reason, agreed. This just cycles waves of indecisive and inconsequential leaders who will have no impact on history. |
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Reply by: Artorem at Apr 27, '13 03:21 | |
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Hmmm, interesting theories you have there. And by theories i mean just that... they are nothing more than theories. Option a and option b... whatever happened to option c or d... or even option a-1 and a-2. Because in one options could be more than one alternative, it always depends on how the other party reacts. Yes this all may seem vague to you, and... that is the point... it IS vague. Because we never know how the other person will react. Will he retaliate? Will he raise the white flag? Will he call a friend? Or will he act like he is you friend and then... stab you in the back when you least expect it. We can only assume what may happen, and hope that what we have planned will work. In truth... there is no option until the option is on the table. We can humour ourselves in thinking yeah... if they do this than i'll do that. Humans do things in mysterious ways, they always have a surprise or two in stock. As for... rapid growth? Seriously... what is better? Rapid growth or slow but surely growth. We can recruit 10 new members in no time, and 5 of them will die in two days. Three? Will probably make it up to wiseguy and they either suicide and taken down by his/her leader. 2 would probably make successful mobsters and maybe even change the history itself. Or... we can recuit 5 by doing a close exam, checking files and backrounds. Five good mobsters ready and eager to take big bites in crime. They are ready to take on the world and maybe become legends. Well... of course i am not saying you cannot have quality and fast growth at the same time. But... if i were a young mobster, who would i trust? I'd take some time to learn about my new family before i make my choice. And of course, i am no young mobster... i am old. A old and very happy Don, because i have lived the peaceful life. I am still living it too... peace has an end, that is certain. It is only a question of time. If this is about choice... after all of the time spent here, i am extreemly satisfied with mine! Have a great day fellow friends! Gent tips his hat to the young man, who boldly asked his questions to the crowd! |
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Reply by: The_Gent at Apr 27, '13 03:26 | |
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That's the thing,Artorem. Our current leaders, or for that matter almost every leader, has a choice. A choice to look at things from a personal view or to look at it in a purely analytic sense. The incident you cited could go either way. Quite a few months ago, Chicago and New Orleans under Mike Hunt and Stan Python respectively warred over the shooting of a BG.... It's still not cowardice in my opinion and I fully believe that I am not so naive to accept cowardice wrapped in a nice package. The leaders involved in the latest incident decided to put the lives of almost every person in their respective cities over their personal relationships with the fallen mobster. As for what is stopping members from auctioning off the lives of their members.... Greed would be my answer. |
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Reply by: Elijah at Apr 27, '13 03:48 | |
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In addition to Alexander's comment, I would like to add that different tactics yield different results... In case you haven't noticed - Working more slowly and attacking these men's protection instead of them individually is a great training opportunity, which is lost by destroying them quickly... |
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Reply by: Whitey at Apr 27, '13 07:43 | |
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Good to see a point of view from what seems a neutral on this thing of ours. Will this be a weekly occurrence or a one off?
Neutral opinions are needed more throughout the world, especially this one as it may be the only way the guys at the top realise what effect their leadership is having on the masses. As if all they get is their family/friends opinions, nine times out of ten it is people blowing smoke up their asses. |
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Reply by: Robert_Cralso at Apr 27, '13 11:26 | |
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"Neutral opinions are needed more throughout the world, especially this one as it may be the only way the guys at the top realize what effect their leadership is having on the masses." This will no doubt be the topic of a future speech of mine. And yes, there will be more after this one. |
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Reply by: Artorem at Apr 27, '13 16:25 | |
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Reply by: Umbreon at Apr 28, '13 08:09 | |
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Umbreon thinks about how some pretty graphs that everyone can see already tell stories. |
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Reply by: Umbreon at Apr 28, '13 08:11 | |
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I said I would come out here and comment on this. I'm staying true to my word, so here goes. Realism - Couldn't agree more. Pretty much everything I personally do is to try to make sure Chicago is protected as much as it possibly can be. The more protected the city is, the better I sleep at night. Call it insecurity, call it paranoia. Fact of the matter is, if it wasn't a problem, no city would bother having any Bodyguards or Fortifications at all. State of the Nation - Why wouldn't each city be 'content' with what is currently happening? There are no wars, no threats on the cities, each city is pretty much living the dream. They can concern themselves with their own city, and not have to worry about what is going on in other cities. Over the last year or so that I have been around these Streets, I had never seen all the cities working together as well as they do now. There has always been one city that you would've thought "Yeah, they're next, for sure." Whether it was Detroit under Revolve, Los Angeles under Innocence, or, going way way back, the site changing war between LA/LV and NY/PH. You could always sense that something was going to happen. Now? Well, you tell me. I don't sense any war happening soon, there no need for it. I must agree with Alexander in regards to the newly formed 'District Wars.' The biggest city is almost more likely to dispatch a threat with more ease than a smaller city. Even if the smaller city had their organisation down to a tee, it would be difficult to keep up. The Theory - I must say you have given this a lot of thought, but I don't agree. A rogue Don is exactly that, a ROGUE. The cities work together to ensure that the rogue's fight is ended. It is not thought of as 'a rogue from Las Vegas' it's just a rogue. Plain and simple. Once that rogue is then killed off, an agreement in made between the cities that the rogue affected. This agreement would probably not be as severe to the offending city as it would be, had someone in the city made a mistake. A city can do nothing about a rogue member, it's not in the cities power to prevent it before it's happening. I'm not saying they would just get away with it, but it would be factored in to the agreement. You can argue this point as much as you want to, but I know for a fact this is how it has happened in the past, as I have been on both sides of the agreement. I can't help but think you are trying to stir up past events with your next block of speech. The scenario you outlined is strangely familiar to one that has already happened. If you are trying to stir shit up, then well, I feel sorry for you, I really do. However, let me explain why it wouldn't happen the way you described. You said that if the RHM was treated in this way, then what is to stop the rest of the crew being treated like this too? Well, it's quite simple really. A one time mistake is well, a mistake. If that mistake happens again and again, it is no longer a mistake. It's at that point when the offended city steps back and asks themselves what exactly is going on here. If everybody was shot for a one time mistake, there would be a lot less people roaming these streets. I don't feel I need to address the rest of your speech as well, it seems I would be repeating a lot of what I've already said. |
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Reply by: SammyGarcini at May 03, '13 12:46 | |
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