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Mugging an RHM or LHM | Started by: Sandman on Jan 13, '14 16:48 |
Mugging Hardcore champion and icon Sandman is announced to the ring by the announcer, shiny gold MafiaReturns championship belt displayed proudly over his shoulder. His entrance music blares, and riotous fans of course go wild as usual. He steps between the ropes and speaks.
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Danger steps out. One of her usual topics to debate amongst people she figured she'd say a quick word and move on. As someone who mugs indiscriminately I feel I should probably attempt a go at answering my own reasons for this. I can't speak for anyone else though. I would like to start out with when I am mugging a person who has just been pilfering through my pockets I don't necessarily even bother checking rank let alone position. I am more concerned with the annoyance that someone would try to steal my hard earned money (as small an amount as it may be) that I would prefer to package up nicely in an envelope to my crewleader. As City Hall has stated if people feel the need to pickpocket those that are unfriendly to it that they should expect to be mugged. So expect it I say regardless of rank or status. I find it irritating that hands do not care for their own members preferences (and yes I am speaking of same city for the current time being). These are the people that we are supposed to learn from and respect. I'd have a hard time maintaining respect for anyone trying to steal from me. So why should I not mug them? Because of rank and status? I think not. I may be a nobody but I am a nobody that likes to be able to kick up a few bucks when I can. Taking a sip from the coffee cup she carried with her. As for other hands from other cities. If I am in my own city I would expect to be left alone. Maybe if I traveled to their home cities I would be less inclined to mug them. I mean I am a visitor to their city am I not? So yes I follow my city rules to a T. They do not state that I have to check all of the ranks and statuses to mug so I don't. Do I care about ranks? Yes. Just not when those ranks are in my pockets. Call it self centered or what you will but they are my pockets, on my person and I will not stand to have them pilfered. I don't believe that I have cheapened the hand position by mugging them. I can't answer the question about if I were a right hand or left hand as I am not. However I hope no policies come to be implemented in the case of mugging. I feel it is consensual by all parties if they pickpocket to expect a mugging. Maybe they shouldn't if they pickpocket a more friendly person than those like myself. Tilting her head as if to add on more she steps away from the crowd. |
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Reply by: Danger at Jan 13, '14 17:31 | |
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Put very bluntly, if one has the opportunity to mug, then I would always mug. The presence of a slanty suit *should* matter, but only if we accept the premise that a wealthy governing member of a crime family would resort to pickpocking. |
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Reply by: Kuku- at Jan 13, '14 17:38 | |
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My personal thoughts are simple. whats good for the goose is good for the gander. A LHM/LHW. RHM/RHW, family head or GF should be setting the example for the rest of the crew, district, city if no separation. If someone is caught dipping in another pocket who they shouldn't be is their own fault. For me if they are telling x,y and z don't pp this target or that just stinks of hypocrisy to me and would lower my opinion of someone. I remember AlabamaWorley being mug friendly as well as a few people as walking round the streets. |
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Reply by: BackToShootPeeps at Jan 13, '14 18:36 | |
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If the city rules state that if someone who wears a "no pickpocketing" badge is pickpocketed, they have the right to mug... then there ought not be a complaint from a LHM, a RHM, or even a Crewleader that they were mugged after pickpocketing someone with a "no pickpocketing" badge. If the city rules do NOT state that, then fuck it. Shoot the mugging bastard in the face. |
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Reply by: Khayyin at Jan 13, '14 18:39 | |
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This makes no sense. There are no rules..to my knowledge...about mugging a LH or RH. If someone has that Mugging will happen if their PP policy is not respected, then they deserve a mugging.
Case closed. Problem solved |
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Reply by: Johnny_3_Tears at Jan 13, '14 19:04 | |
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It's always going to be a very touchy subject, and there is never going to be an agreed upon stance. As soon as you decide to stick your hand in someone's pocket, regardless of their stance on pickpocketing, you should expect to get mugged. You steal from someone, they are going to go above and beyond to firstly, get their own money back, and even grab some more, to let you know they mean business. My personal stance is advertised publicly, and that doesn't change regardless of their position in our world. They could be a Godfather, and they'd still get mugged. If they then decide to shoot me for my actions, so be it. As we all know: The action is yours, the reaction is not. I don't think it particularly devalues a person in an upper structure position. As has already been said, they should be setting the example to the people below them. If I was in that position, I wouldn't be pickpocketing people. Upper Structure should be above such petty acts if I'm truly honest. People in positions of power would have all the money and skill they could ever want, they wouldn't need to go around dipping their hands in pockets, for a measly five thousand dollars. That's church change to people so high up in this society. In short, you have to consent to mugging as you decided to pickpocket. Upper Structure wouldn't pickpocket in the first place, and if they did, should expect the same consequences. |
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Reply by: TeofiloNicolosi at Jan 13, '14 19:07 | |
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I appreciate the responses and the stances that differed from my own, with the exception of Johnny_3_Tears, who basically just reiterated one of my own points as his own and then determined the case to be closed for some reason. Aside from that, I found Teofilo's response particularly interesting, as he was an LHM himself. I've come around a bit on my original stance as a result, so thanks for the contributions and thanks for causing me to think a bit more about it. While my personal policy on the matter hasn't changed, I'll look at the subject from a different perspective now. Cheers. | |
Reply by: Sandman at Jan 13, '14 20:28 | |
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Sandman, I think that if a person of the seniority of a Hand exposes themselves to the risk of mugging, then they should have the good grace to accept it. However, I also think that if that person is the hand of a very powerful organisation, and the mugger isn't made, then a bullet to the head should be at least discussed. |
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Reply by: Kuku- at Jan 13, '14 20:34 | |
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I can see mugging will be a hot topic beatin to death for a long time now like pp'ing used to be. Oh well might as well join in. In my profile it states pp friendly but if you don't return the money I WILL mug you. So far only one person has nit returned what is rightfully mine and he/she stealthed me so I didn't get the chance to mug. Now if you're pp friendly and mug me, I'll bury you myself in front of your loved ones. A LHM/RHM or woman should be respected regardless of what city they come from. Or else what the hell are we doing here? Seriously is this not the mafia? Are we in highschool? I suggest if you're not checking ranks you better start or you might find an angry bean on your hands. I'm not to be mugged for any reason. If you respect my rules then I will respect yours. I'm really a nice guy outside of getting mugged. Oh and if someone of higher stature than me mugs me or doesn't return my money that's up to them. Will I like it? No of course not. But I'm not going to complain. I will keep my mouth shut because that's how the mafia works this isn't about fairness or democracy its about respect. We govern ourselves. Thank you. |
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Reply by: MrBean at Jan 13, '14 20:46 | |
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Short and sweet, much like grave robbing, wouldn't you consider pick pocketing for a man of honor (or someone who's not even "part of the family yet" in a slanted suit) to be a bit "beneath" them? I would think so, so like others have said, why are they even attempting something so petty? To be perfectly honest, this is another topic about rank in my eyes.. Let me clarify and say these hand positions became "cheapened" when fresh off the boat nobodies were instantly placed in positions of power. If I cared enough to mug, my decisions would be based off rank and not much more. |
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Reply by: JohnSmith at Jan 13, '14 20:58 | |
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Slanted suit or not, if you know full well what a person's wishes are about pick pocketing them and you go against those wishes. Then, you sir, deserve to be mugged. Plain and simple is the way it should be and rank or status shouldn't factor into it.
At least that's the way, i've always thought about mugging |
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Reply by: Bartholomew at Jan 14, '14 02:07 | |
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Personally I dont pp members of this community. I hone my skills on corrupt agents because they are corrupt any way. But if I do pp one of the mafioso's around and they decide to mug me then i'll call it quits.Pick pocketing and mugging has been part of our society since time immemorial. It is in our to do list. Some opted not to do them while others view it as a skill to hone. For me wearing a not pick pocket sign is laughable. I think it funny to see people walking in the streets with a placard in their chest saying "Im not pick pocket friendly" or "I'm pick pocket friendly". |
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Reply by: bboy at Jan 14, '14 07:02 | |
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hearing the arguements Connor makes his point. "short and to the point, if you dont follow my stance on PP, expect a good mugging. i dont care who you are and what position you hold, if you cant follow the rules on PP you deserve what you get if you get caught doing it." |
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Reply by: Connor at Jan 14, '14 07:46 | |
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hearing the arguements Connor makes his point. "short and to the point, if you dont follow my stance on PP, expect a good mugging. i dont care who you are and what position you hold, if you cant follow the rules on PP you deserve what you get if you get caught doing it." |
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Reply by: Connor at Jan 14, '14 07:46 | |
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hearing the arguements Connor makes his point. "short and to the point, if you dont follow my stance on PP, expect a good mugging. i dont care who you are and what position you hold, if you cant follow the rules on PP you deserve what you get if you get caught doing it." |
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Reply by: Connor at Jan 14, '14 07:46 | |
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Mug me and die that's it. Mug and die. | |
Reply by: MrBean at Jan 14, '14 08:00 | |
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Well, I look at it this way, if anyone up on high, from a simple left hand such as myself all the way to the very top of the echelon with the Godfathers themselves decide to partake in such petty thievery to make a few thousand dollars; then we've already left the realm of reality and so why not allow mugging back? I feel as though using your higher power to do things which someone of higher power should never do anyways is a slight to our world and should result in temporary nullification of your ranking and allow for you to be muggable. In short, doing something like that is below a hand or even a leader and the second they do it, the rules which apply to everyone else should also apply to them. Not saying it should be illegal for them to pickpocket in the first place, but when they do, they should be treated just like everyone else. |
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Reply by: Fry at Jan 14, '14 19:43 | |
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My dear Sandman, this topic could start me on a rant about a whole list of subjects but I won't bring that to your speech, maybe I will spark a debate another time. Now back to the subject in hand. I mug as and when I please depending on my mood. I also pickpocket and expect people to mug me. If I rummage around in their pocket it is what I expect. As for hands and CL if they decide to rob me which I think is beneath them as pointed out earlier, I think I am entitled to try and grab my cash back if I get a chance. It simple really regardless of who you are what rank or what position you hold if you get caught in someones pocket expect to be mugged. Don't like getting mugged don't pickpocket. |
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Reply by: Sycamore at Jan 14, '14 23:29 | |
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