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The basis of a legend - Respect? Started by: FrankensteinX on Feb 12, '14 03:54

Respect.

Frankenstein had heard a few speeches here and there about respect and such and he had his own advice to give but did not want to reign in on anyone parade, He walked a few blocks and found his own little corner to conduct his speech looking about for something to make due as a "soap-box" he found a group of people already in a circle shooting the shit, and a old banana crate kicked to the side. Standing it upright he steps up and clears his throat motioning for anyone who would listen. A few of the people are interested and turn there attention to Frankenstein. 

Respect........

Everyone wants it, few get it.

Why? I'll tell you why. Respect is earned, never given. And nowadays, with our rush to do everything yesterday, few have the will, patience or perseverance needed to be truly respected. Like drinking a good espresso, building respect requires time and an appreciation of the fine details needed to achieve a perfect result.

Getting instant respect is also directly related to your reputation. Build up a rep as a "stand-up guy," and respect will follow as a result.

There are ways to speed up the process to getting respect — at least in the short-term — with a few shortcuts. For example, get into any position where you can wield power (real power, not head-of-the-janitor-club power) and a certain level of respect is awarded to you. You get this respect not because you deserve it, but because it's part of the package of your new position.

 

don't spit on anyone

I had a police commissioner so deep in my pocket at one time that I could spit in his face and have him apologize to me for blocking the path of my saliva, but because of his "post" I refrained from committing such a rude act. I respect the institution of the American presidency, so I respect the president because of his "position," not because he has done anything to deserve my respect. Capisce?

 

So, let's be realistic; the majority of you can't afford a Cadillac, much less buy yourselves a powerful position in the hierarchy. What can you do to garner some respect?

This is where you take out a piece of paper and write down what I am about to reveal because I won't live forever. Here are seven things that won't guarantee you respect, but will lead you in the right direction. What you have to remember is that these things aren't done once and forgotten — they have to be part of a new lifestyle and the image you project.

1- Dress the part

Regardless of what you've done in the past, how much money you have in your bank account, how famous you are, or how fat you've become, a man in a well-tailored suit will always get treated better than some salame off the street.

 

I'm not talking about just any suit, I mean a well-fitted one, tailored by a man who left his village in the south of Italy to come to America with nothing but his needling skills and his shoes. This is not a time to be cheap. Get a suit that costs $200, and you'll look like $200. Get a suit that costs you $1,000, and you'll look like a million. And don't skimp on the shoes either; buy yourself one good pair at $400 a pop rather than four cheap pairs for $85. When it comes to luxury items, anything made in Italy is automatically better than anything else — end of story.

To get instant respect, keep your mouth shut and stick with honesty...

2- Keep silent

I know all of you think you're geniuses, but the truth is you aren't. You wouldn't need my advice otherwise. The world would be a toy in the palm of your hand. So, because you still have a lot to learn, you are better off remaining silent and listening.

 

Be discreet, be mysterious and only say what's necessary. In fact, don't say anything at all unless you have to. Mistakes are usually made by people who open their traps without good reason. The less someone knows about you, the more likely he'll choose to stay at a respectful distance, and ultimately that turns into respect.

When I meet someone for the first time, I politely salute them and take about two minutes before I say anything after that. In the meantime, the clown I just met has just told me where he lives, who he is cheating on his wife with, his credit card numbers, and how many Viagra pills he has to use to get it up. If you were a little bird listening in on our conversation, who would you respect more after the two minutes have passed?

3- Don't lie

If you do have to open your mouth, stick to what you know. If I had a nickel for every time some cafone I met started talking about crap he didn't know about in order to impress me or get my respect, I'd have two dozen Ferraris in my driveway.

 

There is no faster way to lose someone's respect than by lying, especially about stupidities. If you don't know something, just say: "I can't really comment." It takes a real man to admit his shortcomings. If the other party is courteous, they'll ask you what you do know, and then you'll have an opportunity to talk about something that can make you look like Einstein.

4- Never smile (keep that for the mistress)

Every time I see a wiseguy showing all his teeth, a picture of a crocodile always comes to my mind. When you're a man of respect, you're also a man of caution. Smiling is like letting your guard down and may make others think you're a snake or a used car salesman (like my brother-in-law, the son-of-a-bitch always has an alligator smile — he reeks of cunning).

 

Withhold a smile, and everyone knows that you are a serious man who's not easily impressed. Nine times out of 10, the other person will try even harder to get your approval. Who respects who in this situation?

But by all means, show your pearly whites with pleasure when the doors are closed and your mistress brings her bisexual Spanish friend Lola for a little bedroom action.

5- Confidence and humility

I might be stating the obvious, but a man with confidence attracts people like a hooker at a prison camp. Confidence, even if it just includes having a good swagger, good posture or good mannerisms, projects the image of someone in control, who knows what he's doing and can get the job done. A man with confidence says, "you can trust my abilities" and "respect my words."

 

To get instant respect, look someone in the eye. A confident man never spots any dirt on his shoes because he's never looking down.

Remember the fine line between confidence and arrogance. Confidence has to be balanced with a good dose of humility. Only a jackass likes to brag. Someone introduces you and says: "Mr. M is really smart, his organization made $10 million last year."

You answer: "Even with the greatest leadership skills in the world, without a good crew made of loyal soldiers, I couldn't have done anything. A man alone cannot accomplish anything." What have you done? You've acknowledged your abilities while praising others. What a stand-up guy you are.

6- Be polite — reciprocate respect and courtesy

When you meet someone, you shouldn't smile like a donkey, but you shouldn't be impolite either. Being guarded doesn't mean you can't be courteous. Good manners imply refinement, and refinement implies class; a man with class is a man that has traits worth respecting.

 

No one ever went to war because his enemy was too courteous or polite. Politeness doesn't mean being a wimp either. It means not being a jerk.

7- Have a good memory

One of the first things I tell the young who are still paying their dues is to develop a good memory because it won't just save their jackasses one day, it can score them a lot of points with business associates. You look like a fool when you don't remember the name of someone you were introduced to just 30 seconds before.

 

Remembering someone's name and something they told you proves that you are a man who pays attention to detail, and is attentive, intelligent and savvy. You don't have to repeat some drunken tirade he told you at your sister's wedding; remembering a name is sufficient, and it makes the person feel good (you get bonus points if you remember something about his kids). And what will he think? "What a stand-up guy, I like him. He even remembered my name."

"Watch your backs and keep your noses clean"

Frankenstein was finished and wondered what everyone thought of his advice. 

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There are lots of examples to people who don't follow any of these rules and were successful :D

Also, if someone's always smiling it's equally difficult to tell when they're impressed... so maybe there are some ideas I agree with in here but I don't think you have a very open mind to what the ideas driving some of these to be successful really are. The point of not smiling is to make yourself hard to read. So is there any difference between always smiling and never smiling if you're just trying to keep yourself mysterious? If you take a facial expression to determine if someone else is serious or not, you would be rather easy to manipulate should anyone catch word of that :D

Being polite also welcomes some people to try to walk all over you. People have gone to war for others being to polite, they just call it a power move to remove the weakling :D

Just a couple examples but I honestly disagree with every single one and I hope that's enough for you to see why :D

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Respect. That is the topic I have heard most about since I have been in this thing of ours. I agree totally with everything you have previously stated, but you forgot one last important subject. Knowing when to hold ones tongue when addressing a higher ranking individual. One should not say what he/she intends to say just because they are a lower rank. Speak your mind, say what needs to be said just make sure you do it in a respectful manner.
You can't call someone's mother a dirty tramp and think that its okay just because you smile while you say it. The best way to do it is in the least disrespectful way possible. I am sure that being a leader or someone in a leadership position, one must deal with nonsense on a daily basis. I am sure that they don't need someone second guessing them or blatantly going against what they say in a public discussion in a non-intelectual manner. If you can't say it right or in a respectful manner no matter how many smiles you show then don't say it at all.
Respect.
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"I am sure that they don't need someone second guessing them or blatantly going against what they say in a public discussion in a non-intelectual manner. If you can't say it right or in a respectful manner no matter how many smiles you show then don't say it at all."

I feel like this was directed at me, was it? :D

If it was I'd just happily like to ask you what is and isn't respectful in wording? Which words are? Which words aren't? Where is the line drawn? And why can't I second guess a leader if I disagree and they put an idea in a public area? Respect the intelligence of leaders, share your opinions if you have them because they aren't managing cattle and need feedback. Respect yourself, share your opinions because maybe you're not so far below them to notice a flaw or better idea that your superiors missed. :D

Pointlessly using the word Respect here at the end. Happy Face. :D

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You got me there Ted.:D
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There are lots of examples to people who don't follow any of these rules and were successful

Successful dose not always mean you are "Respected" my dear ted. 

so maybe there are some ideas I agree with in here but I don't think you have a very open mind to what the ideas driving some of these to be successful really are.

Ah I don't think my mind is closed to what is driving some of these people to be successful, I could probably stand here all day and hit the hammer on the nail with ideas, but once again the ideas driving them to be successful doesn't mean they are trying to be respected also.

The point of not smiling is to make yourself hard to read. So is there any difference between always smiling and never smiling if you're just trying to keep yourself mysterious?

Not smiling is to give the impression that you take yourself and the situation serious and your guard is up, It is a nonverbal body langue that gives off a vibe that "this dude is serious" vs a person who is always smiling your that crooked smile people tend to think your a not to be trusted snake. So who would you respect more? A smile can speak a thousand words about a person but yes admitted people can be manipulated within the same fashion.

Being polite also welcomes some people to try to walk all over you. People have gone to war for others being to polite, they just call it a power move to remove the weakling

I don't think your heard me completely ted let me go back to what I said.

When you meet someone, you shouldn't smile like a donkey, but you shouldn't be impolite either. Being guarded doesn't mean you can't be courteous. Good manners imply refinement, and refinement implies class; a man with class is a man that has traits worth respecting.

Just because you are polite in no way shows that you are a welcome mat.

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 but you forgot one last important subject. Knowing when to hold ones tongue when addressing a higher ranking individual. One should not say what he/she intends to say just because they are a lower rank. Speak your mind, say what needs to be said just make sure you do it in a respectful manner

In this world of ours regardless of what one may think, you should earn your bones before you speak. Questioning a higher rank for better or worse from a lower less notable ranking member is usually seen as disrespect even if he/she was correct. A higher ranking individual expects his lesser to follow without question because they've earned their bones.

It's like talking back to your parents or grandparents as a child. Even though you think you know best and you may sometimes be right. They still feel disrespect is being shown.

Now I am not saying higher ranks, bosses, and godfathers should not seek information, feedback and the likes. You just better dam well have a good way of approaching it in the right way or you may get smacked like your mother back handing you for giving her sass.

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 what is and isn't respectful in wording? Which words are? Which words aren't? Where is the line drawn? And why can't I second guess a leader if I disagree and they put an idea in a public area?

Well my good ted the answer to your first four questions is gonna be different for each and every person.

Why can't you second guess a leader if you disagree and they put an idea in a public area? 

<font color="rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)">Well ted just sometimes it shows more respect pulling them to the side and offering you thoughts before going against a high standing member in this thing of our, if you like it our not. Some people are but hurt when put on the spotlight by a second guessing person. Now is this fair... not really, should you care? Well that depends on how much negative attention you are just trying to put in your direction. I am all for speaking your mind, offering </font>opinions<font color="rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)">, suggestions and second guessing leaders views, but like everything</font>

<font color="rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)">THERE IS A TIME AND A PLACE AND MORE IMPORTANTLY A PROPER WAY OF DOING THINGS. </font> 

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....And you got that crooked alligator smile Mr. ted or you a snake or a salesman?

Frankenstein chuckles to himself

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Do i believe respect is the basics of making someone a legend like the title says no...

I believe the judgement of legends, success is going to be different in different peoples eyes, and is very few everyone will lable the same grade.   Several times in the roman, prem era, these people were disrepectful on many occassions but people soemtimes talk about them with a legendary status...  You can look through many situations the same way of different leaderships and find similar, the truth is in general, respect may help get you to the top but is an iron defence, keeping people down and a quick gun that keeps you there to become a legendary figure in that respect.

Do i believe some people would look the same way at people seen on the streets or running business for the skills with pen and tongue, of course.  My family line started off working with some fine ones long ago bac when society was bigger and our grasp fell over more cities.

But will i just keep this alleged legendary status to shooters, leaders and those with a silver tongue...noooooooooo

some people can teach, some can plan wars like no other this is why they have picked up their legendary status in some peoples eyes and is not always people i respect but is people who can get the job done.

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I think that the fact you let a smile define someone shows you lack any vision or open mindedness because a smile doesn't actually indicate anything but a reaction of muscles to indicate happiness or pretend to indicate happiness. Since you imply that I'm a snake simply because I smile tell me what I lied about or misled you about :D

There is a time and a place and way to do things, how do you know I've chosen wrong if you don't even know what I want? :D

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Do i believe respect is the basics of making someone a legend like the title says no...

I believe the judgement of legends, success is going to be different in different peoples eyes, and is very few everyone will lable the same grade. 

"The title of my little speech is to not say "Hey this will make you a legend and is the only way and without it you can not be a legend" It is meaning respect is a essential and very helpful tool to becoming a legend, not absolute means though. Majority of my speech was a little help in my opinion on gaining respect in this thing of ours." 

Frankenstein sits back and looks at the growing crowd, he grabs another join and lights it up. 

"YesI agree with you judgement of the two will be different to everyone" 

 Several times in the roman, prem era, these people were disrespectful on many occasions but people sometimes talk about them with a legendary status..

"Respect is a hard thing to gauge and like said before it is different depending on who you are talking to. JoeBob could have been Working along side Prem and prem gave him an auth and 500m and saved his ass once or twice JoeBob would say that prem was a legend and prem has all the respect in the world from him. on the other token Roman laughed at JoeBob and walked all over him demanding things and the likes. So JoeBob's eyes Roman would be spat on before JoeBob said he respected Roman, yet on the flip side to this Roman could have held himself against 30 people for hours. JoeBob even though not liking or respecting Roman, respects and admires the situation and what Roman was able to accomplish. There is way more to earning respect then what i stated but, that is why I only said seven and not "The seven only ways to earn respect"

But to get back on point. My speech is to just give a little guidance on how to earn a little respect from people in my eyes, be it wrong or not. I am also not saying this will make you a legend it is merely just a 10% on what could make you a legend

You can look through many situations the same way of different leaderships and find similar, the truth is in general, respect may help get you to the top but is an iron defense, keeping people down and a quick gun that keeps you there to become a legendary figure in that respect.

Respect in terms could also help keep you there, but admittedly not as good as what you stated... but you can become a legendary figure even with out those or become one even in or after your death.

Do i believe some people would look the same way at people seen on the streets or running business for the skills with pen and tongue, of course.  My family line started off working with some fine ones long ago bac when society was bigger and our grasp fell over more cities.

But will i just keep this alleged legendary status to shooters, leaders and those with a silver tongue...noooooooooo

some people can teach, some can plan wars like no other this is why they have picked up their legendary status in some peoples eyes and is not always people i respect but is people who can get the job done.

Legendary status is by no means limited to just one thing. You can become a legend in many things including like JesseJames, He is quite the legend in being one of the ugliest people. 

BUT TO PUT THIS TOPIC BACK ON TRACKS TO WHERE I WANTED IT TO BE.

What are your ideas on what i stated in earning some respect?

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I think that the fact you let a smile define someone shows you lack any vision or open mindedness because a smile doesn't actually indicate anything but a reaction of muscles to indicate happiness or pretend to indicate happiness. Since you imply that I'm a snake simply because I smile tell me what I lied about or misled you about :D

There is a time and a place and way to do things, how do you know I've chosen wrong if you don't even know what I want? :D

Ah my dear ted. The Smile is loaded with meaning

The human smile is deeply rooted in our primate nature. Virtually all old-world monkeys and apes have in their vast body-language vocabularies what researchers call a "silent bare-teeth face" display, similar to what we humans call a smile. Even among monkeys, the meaning of this display appears highly contextual; it has been identified with both aggression and passivity, fear and socialization

The more communicative forms of SBTF displays seem to have grown out of the basic primate "fear face", an instinctive response to aggression by a more powerful opponent. From this, the SBTF acquired the meaning that the displayer accepts a lower hierarchical rank as a way of appeasing an opponent. Further evolution of meaning has given us our use of the smile to  communicate "I pose no threat, so don’t treat me as an enemy". That is the signal conveyed by our little reflexive smile that we flash in casual encounters. In the same vein, both primates and humans use the smile to actively seek positive social relationships

Ironically, the SBTF can also signal aggression in other contexts. In monkeys, this is simply a way of showing both the aggressor’s weaponry and his readiness to use it. Humans also can use a smile to communicate malevolent intent Or other forms of dominance

We grasp the very different meaning carried by these smiles based on context: situation, past experience, accompanying body language, etc.

Facial and body language is incredibly important to a social species.

When delving into the human psyche it quickly becomes apparent that we are evolved to recognize the human face and quickly recognize the emotions displayed by our fellow humans.  A good chunk of the brain does little else.  Why do we so easily see human faces in everything?  Clouds, rock formations or even simple

Frankenstein Smiles

 We are wired to recognize that pattern from birth, and this is reinforced from the first day of life when interacting with our parents.  Likewise we can easily pick out the emotional state of our fellows by interpreting body language and facial expression.  Experiments with individuals with damage to those parts of the brain, and more recently imaging techniques that can indicate regions of brain activity have shown us where those processing capabilities lie.  It is surprising how much of our brain is devoted to those simple functions.

 

It is simple to realize the reasons for this when you consider that our survival is based on communication, and emotional body language communication far predates verbal communication.  Individually our ancestors were relatively weak, but put a few together and they could defeat or at least drive off most predators.  This took teamwork and communication, each individual needed to know the mental state of the others in the group to know their place in the group hierarchy and know who was in charge.

 

Reproduction also probably played a major role.  The body language or even a smile from a prospective mate could be vitally important in insuring the continuation of the species.  Certainly a female who could smile more effectively would be at an advantage in encouraging a male she preferred.  But this goes both ways, the male would need to recognize the smile and know what it meant. Sooo becareful with your smiles Mr. Ted, but in know way was I impelling you were a Snake, I was just yanking your chain.

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WTRFG sees a minor disagreement and very well thought out sentences being spoken, he then realizes what he has to say pretty much sums up what FrankensteinX said from the start.

I was always told to earn respect you must give respect, but that does mean you can't hold your ground when you feel you are being wronged or whatever the circumstances are. One must display a respectful attitude when dealing with these kinds of things.

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