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Fucking Prima Donna's Started by: Achilles on Sep 11, '14 22:58

Achilles once again finds himself wandering into the street. As per his usual custom he does something dramatic to set the fucking scene.

"Straight to the point then.

As of late I have noticed people are beginning to focus more and more on personal gain rather than team effort. Make no mistake of thinking I talk about my current members or of my previous family. However, I have seen it becoming more and more common throughout the mafia world as of late. It shocks me to see that this is allowed, I see thugs running around with an insane amounts of bodyguards. Who the fuck are these pissants to be so heavily guarded? I feel like shooting them out of pure principle. They've earned no respect, they're a nobody.

Then I see people running around with their pockets literally bulging, they have no reason to be walking around with such an amount of money. That money should be getting kicked up to your crew leader, it's not for your personal welfare you ungrateful pissants. You have a duty to your family to send that money up, not hire more bodyguards. You have a duty to help with the protection of your family, to work as a team. Any money you earn, you should be kicking up. You're only alive due to your crew leaders protection. 

Let this be a warning to anyone wishing to join my family, you will not be surrounded by an insane amount of bodyguards unless I allow it. I will shoot everyone last mother fucking one of them if I see them and I will shoot you if you don't like it. You kick up to me before you think about helping yourself out. Maybe then, once you have earned me a fucking insane amount of money, will you be granted to help yourself out.

I'm becoming increasingly pissed off with the sloppy mafiosi I'm seeing around. You asshats must be confused, not one leader owes you a thing, you owe us. I wouldn't be surprised if this doesn't go down too well with some of my potential employees and I'm fucking glad. Tributes go upwards you fuckholes, they don't stay at the same level in your pockets.

 

Thanks, you pricks.

 

Achilles, of the nimble feet and huge pee pee."

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Listening to his friend he hears only truths. It wasn't long ago when a member of his own crew drew the last straw with this mindset, he steps forward.

Here here my man. It is our duty as leaders to protect and look after our own. How are we to do this when they're busy trying to look after themselves? It boggles me my man it really does. But don't get me started; I'm done with this shit.

He tips his hat to Achilles and wanders off.

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Achilles, you have highlighted an increasingly prevalent issue that I have noticed since my bloodline began working in this thing of ours.

The problem starts the moment a young thug is walking around the streets, robbing purses - before they've even joined a crew. How? When you consider the fact that your typical petty thief will be mobbed by higher ranking mafioso begging this kid to join their family within hours of showing their faces in "our" streets, it becomes obvious why many kids have an unjustified sense of self worth. The moment some kids get off the boat, they're asking Made Men or crew leaders what their family has to offer to them! That's not how it should be. They should be on their hands and knees, begging to do jobs for the crew that could potentially save them from being tossed aside to a ruthless hitter. 

I remember the first time I spoke to Don Whatsername. I couldn't get close to the woman before I was nearly shot by her bodyguards as I pushed through them in order to try and offer myself to work for her family. I knew I wasn't important. I knew I was dogshit to all of the Made guys in the family. Some kids these days forget their place.

Your speech, Achilles, made me think of a rumour I once heard. Many years ago, some Goomba was boasting in the coffee shops that he had won $10 million in a God made competition and his boss, Don Branston could see the kid carrying all this cash around with him - not one cent sent up in tribute to the man protecting the kid. Don Branston shot the Goomba, and the money rotted with the body of this not so lucky Goomba. This was certainly a bold act, and I would be fascinated to see if any crew leader these days would take such action against the unjustified sense of self-importance some kids have. 

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Zephyra strolls along the streets listening intently. Falling upon Achilles speech she listens and shakes her head.

For the most part Sir I would agree with you but there is a flip side. There are leaders who are not known either. People have heard of them maybe once or twice but then they simply vanish into silence. How could you respect someone who never shows their face? I personally am more concerned of my own family and leader. If they never spoke to me I would probably lack much of anything for them.

Young bulging pockets is another thing. Maybe it was an inheritance? Maybe they do contribute to their leaders? More likely they probably don't contribute as much as their leaders may like but from my ancestors journals there have been leaders that contribute nothing to their families but expect them to set their next of kin up with a nice large inheritance.

So while you may begrudge us little people I ask you, do you honestly know how every leader in our world works? Have you been through their doors? Or do you believe everything they may have said to you about how they run things? From my experience what someone says and what they do can be two completely things.

Just another side of the coin to consider I suppose. I know it may not mean much as I am just a lowly rank myself.

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Curtis saw his friend gathering the attention of the crowd and stopped to listen. Tkaing out his flask he started drinking a the rich imported liquor before nearly choking on it as he burst out laughing. He regained his composure and continues to listen to the man and the subsequent participants. His eyebrow was raised by what Zephyra had to say and he decided to add his two cents to the discussion.

"Firstly, Let me say how wonderful it is to hear you speak out here again my friend. Your soft voice like a gentle summer breeze, bending words like blades of grass beneath it. So soothing and delicate a delivery, as ever. Aside from you charming the pants off everyone with your compassionate understanding, I do see your point. And, as Utopia and Drexler added, I agree with you entirely. The subordinates should always kick up everything they can spare. To be protected, to be appreciated, to earn their place, to give their existence some value in their leader's eyes. It's a part of making your bones, earning your button and becoming a valued member of your family. We all had to go through it. Its part of the cycle."

​Turning to Utopia he chuckled.

"I'd have liked to see the look on that Goomba's face as he realized his lights were getting snuffed out. Like fucker got what was coming to him. It's one thing to walk around rich but it's quite another to make a chump out of your leader by bragging about not kicking any up."

Turning again he addressed Zephyra.

"While I see your point about some leaders, each and every newcomer to these shores has ample time to look around and make a well informed decision about who they go and work for. By the time an individual joins a family he or she should also appreciate that this is a life-long decision that comes with considerable gravity. If after all the protected time the gods award them, they still elect to give their lives to a terrible leader, that surely has to go down as their own mistake. They still need to do the right thing, even if it pains them to do it. It should go down as a lesson painfully learned and the next time their blood will make a much more studious selection."

Walking over to Achilles he shakes his hand.

"As ever, my charming friend, I thank you for bringing a healthy discussion to the streets. It's a good point and one the lower ranked members of our community would do well to heed. If you want to get ahead, make damn sure you give your love and your tributes to your leader."

Curtis steps back into the crowd, still giggling at his poetic friend's artistic turn of phrase. 

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You already get whatever share you want by the tax rates you set for all their criminal activity, and now you want a cut of their real life non criminal job income too?  The amount of greed in this thread is shocking.


If you are not getting enough money from your members, you need to evaluate a few things.  Either you are lying to yourself by setting your tax rate inappropriately, or you are lying to yourself about what you bring to the table and over inflate your worth into the equation to the people who are in your crew.  Or maybe this was a joke that flew over my head, and if that's the case, I really apologize.

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For once I do believe I agree with this simple shit they call squishy.
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TheSorryJew overhears a conversation and clears his mouth, wanting to say something.

 

I try to make daily donations to my crew leader, because I said to myself I had to, not because I was asked to do that. I donate because I want to help my crew and district, and because I love it when I get a thank you for my contribution.

Would I be happy to contribute, if it was forced from me? I often win some cash at poker, and I always share it with my boss, because he deserves his cut. Does he ask for it? No.

I like a crew without set taxes, a crew where mafiosi can earn money without having to give a cut to their boss. Why?

Because they will donate much more than you would earn by taxing them. With taxing them you give them the idea you are getting rich over their hard work, while by donating, they will think they have truly contributed to the crew and that their contribution is appreciated!

Now of course there are the cunts who don't give their boss anything, and they deserve to get a good spanking. But true as it is that mafiosi should contribute to their boss, their boss should share with his crew too! An earnings competition does much good, as it motivates crew members to donate, because they will be rewarded for it. It increases competitiveness and commitment in the crew, and you, the boss will profit from it! Give away a Jail party or even a CA as prize, and donations will flow in like crazy. The point is to give mafiosi a reason to donate. Giving them protection isn't enough, because they expect that it is given to them when they join.

Because after all, mafiosi are motivated by money. Give and get in return.

 

TheSorryJew bows and walks off.

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Stepping to the front again he waits for the rest to finish before speaking.

Squishy I think you are wrong, back in the old times it was fine because taxes were forced (OOC automatic) whereas now our members have to decide to kick up tributes, I tried having low taxes and let people tribute, to allow them freedom to, as the Jew said, contribute and kick up what they can as a donation and because they want to. I tried having no taxes and letting people tribute, I tried a lot of things but the message was just not getting through to a select few of the crew, on the other-hand there are those in my crew who do donate often and do help out around the HQ, but then there are others (OOC who are on a shit load and have a shit load of units) who seem to be around and putting the work in but have no money to show for it, and as soon as you even mention donations they get upset because they haven't been promoted yet even after earning pittance. I can understand if people aren't around much that's fine, you give what you can it's the thought that counts, then there are others who take your leniency for granted. Just thought I had to add that, in response to what squishy had to say. And Jew, I try to give back to my crew, I speak to the wardens and get people locked up and I have said I will get people Bodyguards when the time is right along with other things which I will not disclose here, but trust me I am all for giving back to my crew and I have always had that mindset. I just think we need a clear out and to work on a solid recruitment process.

I am trying to find a middle ground within my crew in regards to taxes, tributes etc so if any leader, heck or member of our community has any ideas, I pray you come find me at my HQ and we can have a chat, I must dash I have some business to attend.

He nods once again to Achilles and the gathering as he turns to leave.

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Silvio sees some of his district talking and goes to investigate after listening to the speakers he makes his way up and clears his throat 

My opinion is that some member's of crews are indeed greedy and some others count their money as the families money, if a member is training for a particular role then I would relax the need for tribs and taxes as investing in them helps me in the long-run. If someone is thinking they can just get by with the bare minimum then they will not get far in anyone's crew.

It all comes down to leadership I have had members go to other crews to help bring in money to help after they were fleeced and kicked money to help other Auths to me its an investment like some invested in me instead of just taking because they can.

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I don't see a problem with fresh faces wishing to use their inheritance or earned cash as they wish. After all, it's their money. You have your own controls over their wealth if you set it right: taxes and promotions. If you learn to control these aspects of running a crew, you'll be able to earn more from those you provide a roof for.

So what they're pockets are bulging? We're all here to have a certain amount of fun, it's our God given right. You can be as strict as you wish, however, expect your suicides to rise because it's fairly common these days and easy to scoot elsewhere.

It's truly unfortunate that you've taken to such extreme measures. However, I hope under such rulings your crew thrives.

Just out of curiosity though. Do you expect to regulate how much of your members hold of the currency of the Gods?(Credits)

It would seem a little hypocritical if you didn't. Seeing as how many people convert this into our form of cash. In one way or another, you've put your hand in that too.

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Unfortunately, money around these parts has become almost obsolete. Personal income through alternative ventures (credits) mean that obtaining a vast amount of bodyguards is not difficult any more. I think the meaning behind the thread makes sense in terms of setting a precedent, however whether the Gods look upon this as punishing people for using a function of this world is another matter. I believe a ruckus was caused not too long ago for the banning of duelling was it not? I appreciate it's a different function of the world, however this ruling may ostracise you from society and potential long standing members. 

 

Like I say, I admire you for trying to get some old ways back into our society, however I think the world is a different place these days and is a long way from "the good old days

 

We shall see.

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Zephyra turns towards the mention of her name. Listening as the man spoke before she replied.

Ah Curtis. I see what you are saying but at the same time it is easier to have discussions and be misinformed than it is to fully know how a leader operates without being under them. Of course it is a lifelong decision so that if they join such a waste that they forfeit their lives so their next of kin may have a better leader.


I think Silvio--Dante says it best when he says it comes down to leadership. Sooner or later people will know what they work for and what they are working under. If it doesn't mesh then you will see suicides.


Personally where money is concerned I am quite frankly broke. I give my everything upwards. There have been times in my line that my ancestors have wished they didn't but it is in our nature to give what we can, where we can. So I can honestly say I am not one of those lowly ranks with bulging pockets. I just think there is more to consider than what you see.

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I believe it's all down to education and goal setting. 

 

Not that long a go I was very lax on what my crew did with their money. They kicked up what they wanted and when they wanted and I still provided the same roof over their head that I am providing now. Some bought themselves bodyguards and some used their money to gamble it all away. It wasn't really a major issue.

 

Then I had a clear vision of what I wanted to do, where I wanted the crew to go and how we were going to get there. So I made some calculations, jotted down some thoughts on the how and why and then sent a mail to my entire Fort Izzel. In this mail were my goals for myself as a Don and Fort Izzel as a whole as well as how the goals were to be achieved and most importantly... the why they are going to be achieved. 

 

With in 20 days I had 55mil sitting in my federal bank account and about 20 credits. Since those two days that number has risen to well over 70mil and 30 credits. 

 

People need to know why they should be tributing and contributing to the growth of a family rather than just being expected to do so as standard. I too remember the days when EVERYONE was expected to tribute as well as automatically pay taxes and we all did it as then it was the normal standard thing to do. It's what was expected of us so when teaching new people just off the boat it was easily conveyed. In todays world, not so much.

 

One thing I will agree with as well though is I find it incredibly ridiculous that anyone other than a crewleader, RH or LH are walking around with 25mil plus on their person. Or throwing it away at the casinos or poker tables. 

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2days* not 20.

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Hearing the angry man in the very loud suit being all sweary Brendan stops, nicks an apple from a tree above him wondering when this street every became so fruit filled. Stopping his idle thoughts he listens to the reponses placed forth by other well respected members of this community before thinking they might as well hear from a bum like him.

I think Achilles has a point. Peoples personal gain is being placed before the greater good. I myself may have been a bit greedy as of late as well but then we all have our vices and being a proper mad head in training costs monies right?

Now no doubt your personal wealth is yours. But what is yours is your Bosses and if you have lot's of green in them pockets then you should really be cutting him in. I mean, after all, hes only one step below being the big kahuna, the numero uno, the man that can. A Godfather.

Now I understand some people have some offshore income. But that doesn't mean you cannot kick back some of those profits to your boss does it? I take the point as being that having a member with more Bodyguards than the leader is a bit embarrassing for said leader. Not only that but it shows a complete reluctance on your point to help protect your family in times of need. Once your leader is surrounded by muscle I really don't think he would mind if you splashed out on a bit of protection for yourself, would he? But a Gangster with more protection than his boss? Something is a bit fucked up there really isn't it?

Yes, the Boss can tax their members but let's be realistic here. Never has a tax system been the only form of income in a crew. There always has to be voluntary kick backs and if your less well off, less protected crew mates are donating even their last few dollars you shouldn't really be wandering around with a BG army and $20 million, should you?

Stepping back under his tree Brendan remembers a saying his Grandad had said to him when he refused to share his chocolate with him. "Remember, you little bastard, there is no 'I' in 'Team' but there is definitely a 'U' in 'c..t'" He swells as he remembers his grandpappys kind words and thinks how apt they are here.

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As expected, not everyone agrees with what I'm trying to say here. However let me elaborate on what I have already said. I think it's truly diabolical when a leader has less bodyguards and less money than a mobster not within the upper structure of their family. As a less important individual within a family it makes no sense to have those kind of resources while not tributing a decent amount up to your leader. If shit hits the fan, the main target is the leader, so by all rights it should be that person who is the most protected. I over exagerrated on the insane amount of money but I wanted to get my point across that you'll help the family and especially me out, before helping yourself out. I see no reason why it should be any different. Unless you've earned your button, I couldn't even fathom why you would need an insane amount of protection and so once you have earned your button, if you're deciding to hire an insane amount of help then I'm wondering why you feel you're more important than you are, if you're not a part of the upper structure and there are no prospects spoken of, why are you hiring that sort of help? It makes no sense to me. Once you hire that sort of help then you need to keep them well fed, this is when crew earnings suffer for your personal gain.

Now, onto some of the individual remarks:

Zephyra - I'm not actually sure what you're getting at in some of your statement, I'm not talking about being known or leaders being silent. With regards to the situation I speak of, I know this is going on because I have witnessed it. I don't begrudge you little people, I ask that you pay your way, in return you will be rewarded.

 

Squishy - You already get whatever share you want by the tax rates you set for all their criminal activity, and now you want a cut of their real life non criminal job income too?  The amount of greed in this thread is shocking.


If you are not getting enough money from your members, you need to evaluate a few things.  Either you are lying to yourself by setting your tax rate inappropriately, or you are lying to yourself about what you bring to the table and over inflate your worth into the equation to the people who are in your crew.  Or maybe this was a joke that flew over my head, and if that's the case, I really apologize.

Firstly, no we don't get the share, we have to wait for our members to tribute up what they want. If you bring a cut of non-criminal jobs to pay for criminal related services then yes, I expect some kind of tribute. I don't expect you to pour your life savings into the place and give me a massive cut, however if you're an active mobster then I expect more than a minimal tribute if you are looking after yourself so well,  those that do tend to hire bodyguards with their non-criminal funds tend to feed them and keep them strong through both funds. Greed? Why yes of course. I am a mafia boss, greed, power and being mentally unbalanced is part of the biz. I'm not sure how you can question the greed, what each leader asks for as tribute is at their discretion, I'm not sure why you feel the need to comment on what leaders ask for as a tribute from their members. Personally I'm getting exactly what I want from my members, I raised this point as I felt too many individuals were looking to help themselves rather than put their family first. What I bring to the table and my worth will be for my members to decide, again I'm a little surprised you felt the need to comment on this. As a newly appointed leader I am fortunate enough that I don't have this problem, but I'm very aware that it's going on and people are refusing to tribute to their leaders as a result of their own self worth. As someone mentioned, this may be due to the amount of importance we seem to give these younger mafiosi when they first arrive here.

 

TheSorryJew - I agree with much of what you said and I feel creating a good rapport with your family will help along with said competitions and such. You're completely right, people will take pride in helping out their family and I don't doubt for 1 second that most, if not all leaders around will reward their members for being a great earner. Within my HQ I have made it clear that hard work will result in rewards such as cash, the Gods currency (credits) and those dusty bums we see lying around with the MIA tags on, as well as an opportunity to gain extra protection. I genuinely believe that you get out of this life whatever you put in. If you work well for me, I will reward you. I feel many of you believe I will take my members money and give nothing back. This is not the case.

 

Silvio--Dante if a member is training for a particular role then I would relax the need for tribs and taxes as investing in them helps me in the long-run. If someone is thinking they can just get by with the bare minimum then they will not get far in anyone's crew.

Agreed. If you invest in someone for future roles then by all means it is understandable as both parties are then both clear on where they stand. Agreed also that a bare minimum tribute will not get you by, especially in my opinion when you have a lot of money around you to potentially kick up.

 

BrutusSo what they're pockets are bulging? We're all here to have a certain amount of fun, it's our God given right. You can be as strict as you wish, however, expect your suicides to rise because it's fairly common these days and easy to scoot elsewhere.

Just out of curiosity though. Do you expect to regulate how much of your members hold of the currency of the Gods?(Credits)

I feel people are missing the point here, your priority as a crew member should be to help your leader first I would have thought? Spending 20 million on bodyguards or whatever the figure is, while they have very minimal income just seems bizarre and in my opinion, disrespectful. You've put yourself before your family. You're right, I can be as strict as I wish, however as you can see I am not short of bodyguards or a fort protection, I do not need to be this strict until I feel someone is taking the piss with me.

 

Zack_Morris - This is not about the old ways, this is about protecting your family first and not questioning your leader when they're not promoting you due to poor earnings. If you're knocking about with 20 mil plus in your pocket and you're not within the upper structure then I'm wondering why you're walking around with that amount of cash and not helping your family out. I'm not banning it, I'm just saying don't expect to survive if you do it in my family.

 

Jono It's clear you have a good rapport with your members and have earned their respect and it would seem they are educated on what it is to work for your family. Kudos for bringing that mentality to your members.

 

Again this speech is aimed at those purely looking to help themselves out before their family. I'm a firm believe that family comes first.

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And here I was about to give you my last rolo too, Achilles.

You've changed, man.
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All jokes aside, I think that Crew Leaders and Godfathers asking for extra financials isn't necessarly greed. I assume a lot of it is to do with what kind of family members you have. Not Crew Leader has a crew filled with 30 odd members breaking their baws to earn their Crew Leaders as much money needed to keep their Body Guards at the top level, in turn keeping them and their families safe. We all know that it's an expensive thing looking after Body Guards, especially when you have a lot.

And taxes don't always cover the costs of expenses so more often than not they will look to their devoted members to lend a helping hand, you can't argue with that.. I agree with Achilles when he says about members not helping their leaders and being all about "me me me". Im also not saying give them every penny you have, just be reasonable with you give.

And after all, running and keeping families safe is a team effort
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Achilles it is quite simple what I am saying. Not every leader deserves what they feel they should get.

Leaders should inspire people to want to pitch in for them, rather than being greedy. You claim all the young thugs are greedy but so are many leaders.

For instance if a leader doesn't speak up about what the money is going towards there is a chance people won't pitch in, but if you go by Jono's example people are more likely to pitch in towards their leader if there is something to work towards. A goal. A vision.

There is also the flip side that maybe the low ranks running around with so much money actually do pitch in and tribute towards their leader. There is no way of knowing unless those people are in your family.

Just as there is no way of knowing if a leader doesn't speak to their members much until they are complained about, or they complain that people they never speak to never tribute.

Point of the matter is, you can't know every situation. You can certainly complain about what you see but maybe it is entirely different behind the closed doors of their HQ.

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