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Is Something Wrong Here? | Started by: SammyGarcini on Feb 05, '13 23:11 |
There will, no doubt, be many different stances and viewpoints on the current situation we find ourselves in in this this of ours. What's yours? You may be thinking "What the fuck are you actually talking about, you crazy old bastard!?" And you'd be right in thinking it. Well, I'm talking about the state of the cities for starters. We have been knocked down to six cities recently, what are your thoughts on this? There have been many complaints about the current leadership not authing people into the empty cities, that has lead to them being removed by the Gods. However, if we look at the current families that are across our cities, many of them are not even close to being full, and do not show signs of getting there at any sort of pace, or any time soon. If there is not the population to occupy the already established families, what population is going to populate another city? The complaints about being knocked down to six cities, are in my opinion, misdirected. Of course I'm going to say that though, given the position I hold, but think for a second. We started off in this thing with only six cities, right back in the early days, there were only ever six cities. We are just back at that point, it's not like we have been reduced to such an unfamiliar size, and one that has never been seen before. Is it alright to be back down at six cities? Or do we in fact require more space? There are other ways the cities could be filled. Most recently we saw one filled with the Detroit Experiment. A venture that proved to be most successful, with Revolve taking the position on Godfather, bringing an end to the experiment, and claiming the city for his own. Why not do this again? Well, my personal reasons are that I in fact don't much like the experiments. They put the city at a disadvantage to the rest of them, giving the occupants a wall to climb from the start. I don't like them also, because the leaders of said cities, have not received the same amount of authorisation from there crew leaders, as the other cities crew leaders have. Don't get me wrong, every so often, they are great to see, and it's refreshing to see someone taking the bull by the horns, so to speak. However, I think too many of these experiments would devalue what it means to be a crew leader overall. Of course, all my opinion, so feel free to add your own. Onto another subject though, and ironically, it is about what I am doing right now. Speaking here. Should the crew leaders and Godfathers have a greater street presence than anybody else? It's true after all, we do hold bigger positions in society, and should be leading by example. How are we to expect anybody else to come out to the streets, if we ourselves don't bother with it? There is the other side to it though. A Godfather will have a lot more on his plate than a regular member, maybe he just doesn't have the time to come out and speak. Should he make time? Maybe. I think that street presence is very important, and I am very disappointed with my own. I am by no means suggesting what other people should do, or that they should be following my lead, that would be arrogant and ridiculous of me. What do you think about it? Should we be out here more often? Or do you cherish the fact that you can speak between yourselves, without a crew leader or Godfather coming out and maybe speaking over you? All things to think about. There are of course, a lot of other subjects I could throw in to talk about. Many have been already beaten to death, or maybe it just isn't the right time to address them. These are what I consider are the most important points currently, maybe I'll come out again later in time, to speak about the others. Who knows. |
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Nice speach man. Just wanted to say nice speach. Outstanding.
I'm posting random things because I don't know how this site works yet. |
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Reply by: Joe_D_Foster at Feb 05, '13 23:47 | |
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Reply by: TyrionLannister at Feb 06, '13 00:05 | |
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Neville listened to his Godfather speak, he had read about many of these debates in his ancestors journals however they had rarely been brought by an established and prestigious Godfather such as Mr.Garcini himself. After thinking carefully, Neville decided to voice his opinion |
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Reply by: Neville at Feb 06, '13 00:12 | |
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Reply by: Phil_Steak at Feb 06, '13 00:53 | |
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As for my thoughts on this subject, we can’t please everyone nor can we blame anyone who is asking for renewal or new build on every city and every leadership. Yes, we can all see the same bloodlines at the top and in bold suits, we can see many people around that even they are still young they are in a suit, that others feel they can do it also. |
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Reply by: iGoBerserk at Feb 06, '13 04:21 | |
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I agree with you Sammy. The six cities are fine for now until a city is completely filled.
As far as the GF's and CL's coming out and speaking more often, I do believe that they should. To get insight from the higher ups of our society would be great. For a new gangster, someone that don't have the right connections to find out new intel about our society, or people that don't get the honor to talk to their CL about open topics, seeing their CL, GF, or Higher officials from other cities speak on certain events or discussions will not only bring more meaning to the streets but it will make that person just feel the need to be more invovled in my opinion. It will make them feel more connected with the society rather than just logging in doing a few drug runs then signing off. |
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Reply by: DeeJoyy at Feb 06, '13 04:40 | |
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Asking anyone to come out here and voice their opinion about the current leaders is dangerous. However what Phil_Steak said does not answer the question. It more or less just shifts it to the point being that a solution doesn't need to be made. Saying not everyone is going to be happy is obvious. So thank you for pointing out we already know. |
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Reply by: Abscession at Feb 06, '13 05:27 | |
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In regard to us having "only" six cities (well, five in practical terms, considering Boston is temporary) - I think this is entirely suitable with the current population of our world. I'll admit that my bloodline was predominantly around when we only ever had six cities, so maybe that biases me somewhat. Having said that, at that point in time, most of the six cities had more than one crew with full (or nearly full) HQ's of 200 members. We now have a HQ limit of 50 members (or 55 in some cases) and the majority of crews are not genuinely full, even though we are only populating five cities. So I don't think having six cities is constricting the population in any way. |
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Reply by: Vaticus at Feb 06, '13 08:09 | |
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There have been some very good points made here, and I thank each and everyone of you for coming out here and speaking up. It is appreciated greatly. I agree with a lot of what you said Tyrion, the only thing I would probably say I didn't agree with, is regarding more auths. Whereas your argument is completely valid and makes a lot of sense, I don't see this currently being the case. As other people said, there is a good variety currently, any bloodline that has left our world for good, doesn't want this place to progress, in my opinion. Thank you for your input Neville, it's nice to know it's not just my crazy old mind thinking these things! Phil Steak, it's a great point you made. There is no possible way to ensure everybody is happy, there will always be someone sitting, waiting to jump down your throat about the next decision you make, it's inevitable. Berserk, where I see where you are coming from, I don't quite agree. One of the first family members of mine that came to these shores, was named Jay-C. He was very young, inexperience, didn't have a clue what he was doing, and went straight to his leader, Oliver_McTavish, and asked him if he was ever going to get a family. His leader told him that if he asked again, he would be shot dead. I will never forget reading this, as it had been circled multiple times, underlined, and highlighted in every way. Jay-C took the warning, and despite being knocked back, worked his little socks off to give his leader all he could. He was given Sub Crew Leader, temporary LHM, and then temporary RHM. He was then given the opportunity to lead his own family. I adopt this same philosophy with New York. If you show how hard you can work, and what you can do, you will get the chances you deserve. I didn't get to this position coasting by on my ancestors history, as full or lacking people may think it is. Abscession, I do agree with you about loyalty. There is nothing more important to me than having the city I'm in be a loyal city. I know I have done this with New York, there isn't a doubt in my mind about that. Every single one of the people that are in positions here, are people I trust with my life, and they trust me with theirs. To your question; Philly is not New York, they make their own decisions, reactions, whatever. However, that being said, if they were attacked for any reason, I would be offering my help to them. I didn't have to even ask them for their help when New York was attacked (the situation that Phil mentioned) by old LA and LV. We didn't have a Godfather, we were looking down in the dumps, and they still put their lived on the line to help preserve the city. I can't see myself forgetting about this, or not offering my help to them should they need it. Finally, Vaticus. Again, I agree with a lot of your points. Godfathers and Crew Leaders should most definitely be more conversational with their own city and crew members than those out on the streets. However, speaking to your own city only goes so far. A street presence, in my opinion, in definitely needed, in some form or another. You have to lead by example. If you aren't out here, why should anyone else be? If nobody else is, the streets die. It starts at the top, not the bottom. |
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Reply by: SammyGarcini at Feb 06, '13 14:39 | |
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I would like to say even if my rank really doesnt give me that much of a voice. But yeah I want to say that I dont think its really all that important for a godfather to be so much active in the streets as too more what they are saying. I have to say that I would take quality over quantity any day. I would also like to say I do not mean to accuse any leader or godfather of being bad at what they are doing. Just speaking what I feel I would rather have. There is only so much a godfather can do really anyway. I dont expect them to voice a thought on every random speech thrown into the wind. It would be nice to see maybe a bit more activity from the other leaders though. Godfathers kind of earned a right to sit back and run the family. Leaders on the other hand are still making themselves known. Honestly I feel some leaders are complete unknowns to most people as they have not really seen any interactions with said people. Heck I am pretty sure there are even crews with families that have never even spoken to their own leader let alone another cities family head. If anything the world could do with a few more active speakers in a role of leadership more than just the godfathers. Again take what you hear from me with some good salt cause thats just a lowly bottom rung mobster talking. |
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Reply by: Sinfest at Feb 06, '13 15:22 | |
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SammyGarcini I will at least say you're honest. My question was specifically if an ally of yours were the reason the war started. Example being one of their members didn't something worth of being warred over. You've stated you would jump in to help them. |
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Reply by: Abscession at Feb 06, '13 16:11 | |
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As I said before, I don't like the experiments. Especially not as often as you are proposing. Being honest, I would say no to any proposal of an experiment so soon after Detroit's experiment finishing. As far as one of my members doing something Philly doesn't agree with. My member is MY member, it is not Philly's members, Philly is not my member. Whether they don't agree with it or not, doesn't matter as much as if I think he's in the wrong. Of course, I want to keep city relations very healthy, who wouldn't? If nobody had any relations with other cities, everybody would be warring everyday. We are reasonable people, us current Godfathers. We talk things out and we come to agreements that work out for EVERYBODY involved. It's not too difficult really, it's served us fantastically so far. |
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Reply by: SammyGarcini at Feb 06, '13 16:19 | |
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I'm not saying that people have to war. Or relations are bad by any means. You know my bloodline and you know it's always cared about the well being of the world before anything else. It's never been exactly one hell bent on wars. However it has never worried them about warring. |
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Reply by: Abscession at Feb 06, '13 16:32 | |
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Regarding the six cities subject I personally don't see any issue with six active and lively cities. I don't see removing the two cities stopping those who newly join a city wanting a chance to one day setup their own family. Good things happen to those who work hard. Our past shows we've once had only six cities and did fine having each city fill up. I think, at the time, opening the other two cities was needed due to such a high population worldwide. I trust the gods will one day open up cities when the time comes or they feel it is needed for the situation.
Shrugs and finds himself a step to sit on while listening to others. |
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Reply by: SpaceCowboy at Feb 07, '13 06:38 | |
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Listing to people and their topics , learning about the history of the game. This became very interesting to read
Srugs and find herself having a couple of shots. And awaits for interesting other point of view . |
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Reply by: pink at Feb 07, '13 06:59 | |
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I thought for a few moments after having listened to the varied commentary and I couldn't help but to notice one underlying theme in all of this...
Mr. Garcini, there IS in fact, something very wrong here... I have waited so long; longer than I'd care to admit for the obvious reality to make itself understood by La Cosa Nostra at large, but alas, the answer to so many of your questions allude so many...
We are lacking something that manifests itself in many ways, but nevertheless, it is one simple problem..
We lack substance my friends. It pains me to say it aloud and I do not wish to undermine the designs of others to protect their families and friends, but perhaps even a little of that is missing as well. But what ever does Ballistic mean by that, you wonder? Allow me to elaborate...
You see, a long long time ago, becoming a Made Man was quite the accomplishment in the life of a mobster, but more so were the actions by that made individual for his family in the days following. I see so many Made Men in this thing of ours; hard workers and great earners, but so rarely do I see the same bonds and strength in the relationships between these great men as I once did. And while so many men speak of the old ways, and fewer recall them in their complex entirety, I believe there is a piece of this puzzle we are not understanding yet as a community; both old bloodlines and new... So allow me to specify..
We speak of cities and titles as conquests and accomplishments, but I dare ask - what has been accomplished? What is it to survive and thrive without truly living? What is left when we remove the very essence of family and loyalty and oaths when we substitute them with casualness and complacency and stagnation?
Men come and go as the please, to earn, to kill, to rank... Yet we wave banners of BOLD authority as if those who are entitled to leadership, always find it. More specifically, Mafiosos who are given their own crews more often than not, do little more than establish a crew and HQ... But not a family. So what is the difference? My friends, if you do not know this, you have not truly lived...
So really, I do not ask like so many others, what is to be done with Boston or any other city.. Instead, I ask what is to be done in the very heart, mind, and soul of the individual mobster to bring life back to him or her... To bring back the very essence of vivacious servitude to family and dear friends... To have the same characters we once roamed with in these streets so long ago...
We speak of progress as if we know it.... My dear friends, how we define progress is the only thing that has truly changed who we are...
I ask you once more... Is it opportunity to wave new banners, or take over new cities, or even add new cities that escapes us? Or is it the simple reality we have lost our very culture; our way of life.. And substituted it with simple, casual, and complacent ranking, dueling, and roaming..
What a tragedy it must be to roam and not to strive, not to seek, and not to find... Family. |
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Reply by: Ballistic at Feb 07, '13 07:40 | |
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You've touched on a very good point there, Ballistic. Things can certainly be as you've described, however, there are still many familys around that do in fact display the attributes you speak of, there are many leaders around who do strive to build an actual family, not just the bricks and mortar for the HQ, the blood and sweat of each member as they grow together and their bond with their fellow members is evident still today in many areas. |
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Reply by: TyrionLannister at Feb 07, '13 07:50 | |
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I do believe it would be highly ignorant and a gross miss calculation on my part to assume this lack of strong family bonds is evident in every family. However, I fear that one day many old bloodlines will dry up from the disdain of monotony and repetition having never realized their true potential or having been limited by the socially accepted norms that dictate the stagnation I so readily described previously...
With this understanding, I also believe that perhaps it would benefit all if I threw in a crazy idea for the city of Boston for an experiment... A real social experiment at that...
What if.. And it's a hell of a big if...
Boston became an open city for crews to be set up without any approval, reprimand, or consequence for doing so. (Yes, we've heard that one before Ballistic, but please go on)... But we add a few interesting caveats... For one, there is no limit as to how many crews can be set up. Second, there is to be no interference from any city unless otherwise provoked or attacked or threatened by a crew in the city. Third, conflict within Boston is to remain there and no citizen of Boston may engage in conflict anywhere but within the city limits, even in the form of a duel. Fourth, it is to be understood that individual mobsters residing in Boston may travel among the other cities so long as they follow the rules of every city otherwise incurring the wrath of all cities. Fifth, anyone achieving the rank of godfather of Boston will still be held to the same guidelines regardless of title or rank as he or she will not be among the other five Godfathers of the commission and will forfeit the privelages and safety of outside interferences. Sixth, Mafiosos residing in any other city other than Boston may enter Boston at any time (unless mandated by their leadership otherwise) and doing so only for peaceful purposes. Seventh, there are to be no current Mafiosos in families in the five cities to buy out and partake in the new experiment in Boston - only new and young Mafiosos may do so. And last but not least, no crew, family, or individual may finance or otherwise aid through monies borrowed, loaned, or gifted any Boston citizen, crew, and family. It is important that there be no unfair advantages for these young men (it is understood enforcing this rule will be extremely challenging)...
I know, it's crazy right? Create the crazy conditions for new Mafiosos to start up in a fresh city without outside interference and see what flowers may bloom? My money is on the dogs who value family :) |
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Reply by: Ballistic at Feb 07, '13 08:51 | |
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Ladies and gentlemen, do not paint all these crews with the same brush. Just because some crews auto promote their people, doesnt mean that all crews follow suit. I can stand here on this corner and assure you that auto promotion doesnt occur within my family. You can ask anyone who has made their bones within my crew, nothing is just given to them. Hard work, dedication, and a true sense of family bonding is all required.
As to the other issues, I have no answers. Its like kicking the proverbial dead horse as far as I'm concerned. |
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Reply by: Alexander at Feb 07, '13 12:27 | |
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