Deal!

That doesn't even make sense, lint roller. 

I don't think he will make it another day rofl. Proveme wrong linty

Haha, you might be right heidnik. 

If you don't understand what BellatrixLestrange is saying Star...he's saying YOU'RE GOING TO DIE

There hasnt been a real Chryzalled since the old days, who are yall kidding? The fact that he bailed ship on a city he helped build based off bologna should be proof. Best of luck!

SpikeSpiegel totally represented Czylharz really well. Like he should be crowned Czylharz king. 

No I'm pretty sure that's exactly what its about. You saw how it ended. I'm loyal to my boss and my city, not a name that has horribly loose binds. It was going to happen eventually but the Czylharz are a shadow of their former selves.

The Czylharz banner grew weaker the moment Jake pretended he could just slip all of his friends into the fold. You can't make up for about a decade's worth of unity with one fucking account that has something to gain in the immediate future by being loyal. I'm not a Czylharz and that's why I never wore the tag, none of you excluding the originals ever were and if you fail to see the point of the name then you truly are an idiot. It was a symbolism for staying loyal to benefit each other in the long run in a way that no simple authing or being a member in someone's family could ever hold a candle to. Stop talking about something you never understood, especially you [Insert name here new generation Czylharz]... you all look ridiculous. Move on and just use a new name.

Oh, my bloodline was mentioned.

WAI is right in his description of what Czylharz was. We tried to make it something on a bigger scale. There were only a few original members including myself, Jake, Scarin, Raptor, RTL, RedBuddies, CaptainArab, Erractic and so on. Some of the others were off doing their own thing, Jono, TeQ, Shocker. We brought our friends in to help us start something great, because that original bunch (mainly inactive as fuck) on its own sure as hell couldn't build an empire. I had a fucking lion. Tell me that wasn't badass?

The goal was to bring this ideal of brotherhood to more people, and for a while this worked, but as with most idealistic things, like say socialism, they tend to break when implemented. As the loyalty within Czylharz disintegrated, nearly just after we had really peaked, sparkling like an icicle hanging off a ski lodge just off of Mont Blanc, many people questioned the dilution of the name. Legitimately, it was muddled by that time.

However, I think there are some people that did learn what that brotherhood meant, and that is a very important experience to anyone. Starscream rightly wears the tag, as he was one of Jake's most loyal soldiers and I'm sure Jake would agree with this. There are also others still around that wear the tag with grace and out of respect.

As for any of the other stuff discussed here, I'm gonna bow out of that, because my ancestry was busy with poetry when most of this went on.

Winter was Czylly, but now it's Spring and time for new growth.

WhereAmI sighs,

No Spike. Pretending to be something else like that isn't paying homage it's used for personal gain. Even if the only benefit gained is to convince the world you're loyal to death, he has something he wants from using it. The point of the group was supposed to be loyalty above short term gains and I can't think of one greater in the mind of a man who wears over 75 names claiming to respect and keep loyalty to... including my name. Someone who not too long ago told a friend of mine he knew nothing about me.

So you see no personal gain from having this persona? No possible advantage? I do. I see the concept of portraying loyalty as one of many tools one can use and I don't respect someone's respect if they don't know me because half of the things I say are bullshit to intentionally manipulate a small number of individuals or send a personal message to one person that doesn't make sense to anyone else and the other half is just pure trolling. Besides that... JakeLuciano isn't Czylharz... He's only a part of it and the fact he used the name publicly actually broke one of the rules of Czylharz if I remember correctly. It wasn't even supposed to be spoken of publicly, let alone used as a name if I remember right. The only thing they ever really did publicly was wear the badge in honor of the crew. It's been years since one of their members told me a few stories of them so I could be incorrectly remembering some details... but I think RTL had an argument with Spike over that very point in a street speech so I doubt it.

Oh and by crew I meant way back when with a CL whose name I don't remember, not Jake himself.

Though unfortunate, and I agree on that, I do believe a tasteful JakeLuciano Crime Family or something else would be more proper. There are benefits from that list of names as many will have the opposite reaction that i have to seeing their name on that list. They'll get nostalgic and look at past friends or happy to see someone respects them. I don't care for ploys on nostalgia and regardless of whether it's intentional or not that's what it (along with using the Czylharz name) uses to gain him an advantage both in conversations to develop connections and politically.

I'm not saying the concept worked WAI. I'm just saying its intention, and realistically, it wasn't a short term gain that was achieved. We survived a lot of stuff, and rose in mass and power which to this day I can't begin to understand how. RTL's argument with me did spring up as the cracks were starting to form, but that was far later on. He was mainly upset because of a slip of his name because I didn't mention him in the speech. I had intended to talk of the real Czylharz of old and its roots, and his name was mentioned in the draft. I decided politically, it was best to leave that out, and I was too drunk to put his name in at the end. It happens.

In many ways, I can say Czylharz did become a brand name, a household name, which lost its original meaning. Coca Cola used to have cocaine in it? However, Czylharz transitioned into something far different, and we can argue about if it was a respectable thing it transitioned into. Had Czylharz's widespread reign continued, we would view it differently. I do agree though that the old meaning was diluted in this last run. 

Jake isn't the definition of Czylharz, but the ideals we brought together, with the few Czylharz members we had working with us, were in fact that of Czylharz when we started. There was no gain from this tag in the short term. We were a small crew, and only later did it become a "monster," much like the creation of Dr. Frankenstein, something we could no longer control.

CrossDeLena's crew was the one that my line was in way back when. If the world worked the same way and had it gained mass control, I would not be surprised if the tag appeared all over, as some old school family names did when they achieved that. However, this is all speculation. If you looked into that other world somehow, you would see similar use of badges.

Czylharz was something that was supposed to be worn, much like how Who-Err wore/wears it. Its secrets in that time period were not talked about though, but the name was something that was proudly worn. It was small, and not something big, like what we became.

Starscream's wearing the tag is an honour to the name. The sweet PrincessDazzleButton is correct in his sentiment regarding Starscream; he has proven himself beyond loyal. He does know about the history mostly, and is of an older bloodline himself.  I am a horribly nostalgic person myself, and I know that was kind of the point of the new Czylharz, in tribute. Personally, I view the definition of the Czylharz of old and the Czylharz of new quite differently. This doesn't mean it isn't a tag to merit respect.