JaryllJicchai, Dutchess, Don-Ald, Darkwing, Grizz, Aerie, Begbie, Mr_Wednesday, PurpleHaze, Davy_Jones, Snowball, Toxic, Lord-Voldemort, finanveguy…and the list goes on. 

I come here today, not to bash the current regime. I come forward to speak about previous empires and how they were run and to contrast that to todays. From as far back as my ancestors left logs, they left stories of times from N4G the CP era…which resembles very much of today. And given the two biggest mouths on the streets defending Disorder are ancestors of CP's, it should surprise no one that this regime is parallel to that somewhat. Then came the Marietta's of the world, who led with an iron fist, but she had standards. She wouldn't think twice to shoot down one of hers, as long as you broke her rules. But never because they they carried a gun, or whether they had a sharp tongue. She had her code, a mafia code, she followed that code to a T. It didn't matter if you were a CL or a gangster, rules applied to everyone in similar fashion. Judgement who gloats about "damaging souls" actually was on the blunt end of one of these rules, when the Turkey was roasted for breaking certain rules. 

Then came the era of Deimne, Roman, Premier. They all had their soldiers. Men they invested heavily in, and these men stood by these men for the longest of times. As with every empire, in time the connections whether, the treachery, deceit and misinformation takes it toll on the followers of such men. And such great men are usually put down by none other than their own CL's, UnderBoss's and Captains. 

One thing about all the men and woman I just mentioned. None of them actually shot their own, unless a rule was broken. I remember from my ancestral logs even as far back as TheDean. The man had just taken down Larry's ancestor, Deimne and a couple of other big ancestral lines. But never did his regime shoot men in their own ranks. I wasn't privy to the information in the uppers, but there was word that over 200 active hitters resided in that old NY, to the extent they had to call in their 2nd team to war, cause the boss's didn't want to bore the men behind the canons. Everyone needs a little laugh, a good squeeze, some flying about the country to go guns out as they say. Need I say more, the underboss for the TheDean was an ancestor of Deimne's RHW. That was the good old days of the mob, when your ancestors work didn't matter…the only thing that mattered was what you had done. 

Which then brings me back to where we began. When Roman shot someone, we knew about it. When Marietta shot someone we knew about it. When Deimne and the flying monkeys went buck wild…we definitely knew about it. So whats this facade of secrecy now that GF's of the time now hide behind? We know you did it, we know you even half ass asked for the witness statements. Only to find out later that it was a decision made by the 'council' that Larry, Dan, Disorder, Monster, Keypunch, Orange and AgentSmith inhabit. I left out two GF's here, but if your smart enough, you know why…their boss sits at the council, they aren't needed in such consultations. 

I full well expect the army of yes men that Disorder has built to come out here and speak for him. I expect them to come out here and dissect the arguments I present here today. But ask yourself this. As the list of the men I noted at the start grows, one has to ponder. When this regime began, the golden number was getting to 60 days. Then that number became 600 kills, now that number is essentially a mix of those two and whoever seems to be online when something just so happens to go wrong for the Regime. But back to the question I was pondering. We all know the men in power today have ancestral relations between them. They are intertwined by a bond that goes further back than this lifetime, and they will do anything in their power to hold this power that they have achieved from shooting their friends such as Bonkers, Borkers and the lot. Now if your not a part of this 'council' that Larry speaks off. Don't you have ancestral friends that just got shot? Men and women being offed, just because the men at the council think that these soldiers of the mob are mere insects, kept about to feed on the crumbs…and when they get any bigger are stepped upon. And their deaths made a mockery of in the funerals and the streets, such is the mob under this regime. 

There was a time when the boss's of the world, that led regimes took pride in grooming the young, opening paths for the young. Showing them how this world works. In todays day and age, forget all the teaching aspect of it. If you are half capable of being a decent mobster, you will be shot in the darkness of the night. Something about the Black in the water that just doesn't rhyme with being a good gangster anymore. Hell even a Don isn't safe anymore. There was a time when Made use to mean something. When Made's were considered family and their blood usually spilled when the CL died. These days, a Don in a family almost has to look over their shoulder, not for the opposition. But for their own men, who knows…your CL may have sent someone to take care of you. Carry yourself with enough dignity and smarts to look like someone that can climb the ladder. And they will cut you down faster than you can say Hi. And its not because they fear you, hell whats a 60 day mobster going to do to a GF? Whats a 600 kill canon going to do to a GF? Absolutely nothing. Yet if your any decent, that is your boundary of success. Cross that boundary and men that have promised to protect you will be the first to harm you. Just look at how Larry's last ancestor protected their CL's, Kinoko and Saxon. Granted Larry's father was dead at the time, but Larry speaks about how his ancestors have been at the council for a while now. Hey great Larry, what happened to the protection of your fathers CL's? I guess they crossed that barrier I was speaking off? 

I leave here today stating something very simply. These men at the top have ancestral bonds, and to keep those relations they will do anything, whether it follows Omertà or not. So then I ask you the population, where do your morals lay? With Omertà? Or is Might always Right??? No right answer here. Just a simple issue of morality and omertà. "To the victor go the spoils", I always thought the spoils were a valuable aspect of war. Never did I think the spoils would actually be spoiled to such extent in this thing of ours.  

Im not asking for a rebellion, I'm not asking for being subservient. All I am trying to ask here is this. Where will your ancestors be mentioned when they speak about the tyranny of Disorder and his council. Will you be known as the liberator? The traitor? A insect that kept being stepped on? A coat-tail mobster? A yes Man or Woman? A beacon of thought for the young like LG? Or just another mobster that watched as the clock ticked by, when you could have done something great? No right or wrong answer here…just simply food for thought. 

"Why would someone as scary as Disorder be threatened by a 2 month old?" she asked, feeling rather puzzeled by the whole thing. 

Are you seriously getting puzzled by your own question when the answer is already provided?

"And its not because they fear you, hell whats a 60 day mobster going to do to a GF? Whats a 600 kill canon going to do to a GF? Absolutely nothing."

As many do you look to the past with nostalgia and forget that it wasn't indeed all roses back then.  

TheDean and Marietta were great figures that achieved many things, and they were probably some of the kindest monarchs to ever sit the throne.  But, do not think that people were not swept under the rug quietly just as they are now.  It happened albeit less frequently than now but it did indeed happen.  The main difference is now that people bitch and complain if they feel they were treated unfairly.  Back then you just bucked the fuck up and dealt with it.  Maybe you opened dialog with those on top to see if the situation could be rectified.  As LarryLongneck said previously not one person has attempted to do so.  Also, their are some core structures within our world that are far different than today.

The first core difference is that the ability to train your marksmanship skills were much more stunted back then.  TylerDurden and his scourge had not found their ways to our shores yet.  The homeless we all pay to murder were far less numerous (or even around at that point?).  Back then it took real skill and determination to get to the level of doing real damage to anyone, much less the stature of Marietta, TheDean, or Roman.  What can be accomplished in a couple of weeks now back then took months of work.  For better or for worse that is the reality of our world today.  With the hastened pace in which anyone can train a proficient level of marksmanship a form of gun control has to be put in place.  We have seen numerous times over the decades of these changes being implemented that people can and will hurt you and your people.  

The other core change that plots the difference between then and now is the amount of armed men you can have protecting you.  In the good old days the amount of men you could hire to protect you was limitless.  Sure, it cost a gross amount of currency but it was common place for those on top to have an absolutely ludicrous amount of bodyguards protecting them at all times.  On top of that, you didn't have to train them.  They never tired of their work or degraded.  So, with the huge amounts of cash that were poured into their criminal coffers you saw these kings and queens become virtually "unkillable".  At least, not as easily as now where all it takes is a few months worth of paying people to die at your hand and feeding off of TylerDurdens scourge.

I know that many of us like to look back on the past and think that things were better.  Maybe they were, maybe they weren't.  A person in Disorders position has to be a realist.  It isn't personal when he decides someone has to die.  He isn't trying to hurt anyone's feelings.  He is protecting his people.  People like to think that he gets his kicks out of slaughtering people.  He doesn't (only my guess).  With it being obscenely easy to train your sharpshooter skills these days he and his company have to be very careful about who gets through the net.  If they are not, they and the people they love will die.  It's a risk/reward ratio.  

Jenbola 

"Why would someone as scary as Disorder be threatened by a 2 month old?" she asked, feeling rather puzzeled by the whole thing.

 

I think insidious1 already answered your query. Perhaps you fell asleep during the speech, tends to happen in history talk. No disrespect to a leader, but if you have any further questions. Throw them up and I will be more than happy to address em. 

Jenbola sighs as the joke goes over everyone's head. Which is amusing as generally she's the shortest of the bunch. "If we were all sixty to two hundred days old, we'd be a bunch of babies and toddlers running around." she shook her head, "Apparently some things aren't considered OOCItis, which is a damn shame because there are many jokes to be made." 

Ha, the ol' 'it was a joke' switcharoo huh.

My reply to you was also a joke that has clearly gone over everyone's head, honest...

 It happened albeit less frequently than now but it did indeed happen.  The main difference is now that people bitch and complain if they feel they were treated unfairly.  Back then you just bucked the fuck up and dealt with it.  Maybe you opened dialog with those on top to see if the situation could be rectified.  As LarryLongneck said previously not one person has attempted to do so.

See that is exactly what I was trying to address. Maybe it did happen, maybe it didnt. But you just validated for me, that the number of those instances were probably a lot smaller than what we have seen in the last few weeks. Now as far as people just bucked up and said fuck it? Sure perhaps, I cant speak for the ancestors of men that have passed away. But I sure hope that if there was something out of place, they would have come to the streets to address it. Similar to how the ancestors of the fallen have addressed the streets more recently. See if the number of these dead in the middle of the night was insignificant, odds are you wouldn't see such huge responses publicly. But that is the precise problem…this regime is basically purging everyone and anything that isn't them. And when I say them, I mean the members at the council and their fellow soldiers. When men from GF crews start dying in the middle of the night without explanations and Witness Statements, one has to beg the question. If the person wasn't trusted to begin with, what were they doing in the GF crew??? Cause unless i have this twisted, the invite did come from the leader of that crew? Right?

As far as Larry and his publication about how none has tried to rectify the past. My simple answer is, look at what happened to the previous CL's that Larry's father authed. If Larry's ancestral line couldn't protect men that his father had put in place of power, how do you expect any new gangster to expect any different from Larry? The late Saxon was a member of Disorders own crew before he was setup as under boss to Larry's father. None of those old ties did anything for Saxon, even after he helped LV fight back the late GF's Daniella and Mouseycop.   

The first core difference is that the ability to train your marksmanship skills were much more stunted back then.  TylerDurden and his scourge had not found their ways to our shores yet. 

The other core change that plots the difference between then and now is the amount of armed men you can have protecting you.  In the good old days the amount of men you could hire to protect you was limitless

I cant disagree with the facts that Town Hall has made some changes to how the mob operates these days. But here is the thing, when the mayors made the changes to allow every man, woman and gangster to be able to build a gun. Who are we to restrict that? Carrying a gun and the ability to be able to train, is a natural right bestowed upon us from birth. Now some choose to walk that path and others dont. And as it seems currently, building a gun is about as big as a crime as any. When really building a gun is engrained in our part of society…just look no further than Tyler the man himself. Nothing makes us mobsters more happier than seeing him show up. There is a reason for it. And this regime isn't allowing most of us to walk this path. Perhaps it makes us a threat. But as I stated earlier, what kind of a threat is a young mobster or a 600 kill gun to a GF? Really none. 

As far as the protection levels that are now allowed to inhabit your entourage as a mobster. Well you also have to take into account some other measures Town Hall provided to offset the huge entourages the old GF's carried that I spoke off. Word has it that TheDean never carried more than 150 odd men in his entourage. At the same time people that worked under him had over 300 men in their entourage, similar to rumors of GF Roman and Premiers entourages. So yea back to the measures implemented by Town Hall to offset those entourages, now loyalty means something rather than just actions, taking a bullet means something rather than being just a literary term, being a GFC means something with all those other GF's under you. All offsets to essentially fill the void that those monster entourages left behind. 

So with that said. I again raise the question. I would understand if men were dying in the middle of the night if they were from regular crews and were within range of the current leadership, more specifically the GFC's. But half of the men that wake up dead in the middle of the night with no witness statements to be found are no where near the capacity of being able to shoot a GF, let alone a GFC. So again I ask, where is the threat?

People like to think that he gets his kicks out of slaughtering people.  He doesn't (only my guess).  With it being obscenely easy to train your sharpshooter skills these days he and his company have to be very careful about who gets through the net.

Id be the first one to admit, and I don't know Disorder personally. Never spoken to the guy. But none really likes to be known as a butcher. There is a saying "You develop the reputation of being a blood hound, you will be taken out back and shot like one eventually". So I doubt the most powerful man in our society gets his jollies from offing men and women that his Made's can take care of. But the sheer problem really is that this net you speak of is so tight that it almost makes gun building and ranking exclusive to the members of the council and their soldiers. And there isn't anything wrong with that. As long as you have the might to enforce it, none can stop you. But I simply spoke about how others that we read about in our history books, didn't need to do that to run their regimes. And id say they were pretty successful without using such methods. I think what goes unseen here is that problem of most isn't with the Regime or its leaders. The problem stems from the methods implemented by the current rulers. These same rulers had their forefathers involved in those same regimes as I just mentioned. So whats the difference now? Why is it such an exclusive task to build and rank these days compared to before? Paranoia? Sure…but as I stated, none of these threats were within even range of the GF's. So where is the threat? Why the politics of exclusivity?  

I must say well done Clack. This was a great speech. Sure it is contentious and has it's fair share of errors but its very well presented and you articulate yourself very well. Spoken with passion and purpose. Such a speech deserves recognition. Well done.

There are a few things I felt I could contribute a little toward though.

Then came the era of Deimne, Roman, Premier. They all had their soldiers. Men they invested heavily in, and these men stood by these men for the longest of times. As with every empire, in time the connections whether, the treachery, deceit and misinformation takes it toll on the followers of such men. And such great men are usually put down by none other than their own CL's, UnderBoss's and Captains. 

One thing about all the men and woman I just mentioned. None of them actually shot their own, unless a rule was broken. I remember from my ancestral logs even as far back as TheDean.

My ancestor was a significant part of Deimne's regime and I can tell you from first hand journals that those boys you are painting out to be noble gents of standards and value, were anything but. Don't get me wrong, as one of their main guys my forefather loved Deimne to bits but he was anything but blind to the vast array of morally grey maneuvers he made. As for Roman and TheDean. Roman just got off the back of begging for his life after illegally shooting someone he had a bloodlined when he and TheDean turned on their own Godfather and city and shot anyone and everyone they could from the brothers and sisters they had spent their long lives swearing undying loyalty to. There was no ill will from my kin toward them for the moves they made. They made a decision and made their move and it worked for them. Fair play. My point is, they were all anything but noble, respectable, moral or just men. They were total scum that would (and did) shoot their own mothers for success.

 Deimne and a couple of other big ancestral lines. But never did his regime shoot men in their own ranks.

My ancestor was his LHM for a very long time and I can tell you right now, this statement couldn't be further from the truth.

 So whats this facade of secrecy now that GF's of the time now hide behind? We know you did it, we know you even half ass asked for the witness statements.

There isn't as much secrecy as you may think. I've not hidden anyone I've killed and I've not regretted any of the shots I have taken. Some of them were extremely difficult to take but thats the nature of our work. Sometimes explanations are given but not accepted. Sometimes the requests for witness statements are actually genuine. Not all the people you listed have been killed the way the tabloids would suggest. I could come out every time and explain the ones we actually did kill but really, with the barrage of affection from rogue miscreants every time I come out here, why should I bother? Why should any of us?

When this regime began, the golden number was getting to 60 days. Then that number became 600 kills, now that number is essentially a mix of those two and whoever seems to be online when something just so happens to go wrong for the Regime.

 This again is another popular myth, repeated so many times its now regarded as a long accepted fact. There was one incident where time was measured as a means of organizing one list. That was a very long time ago now. The idea that we have a certain number of kills we consider a cut off point for removing people is total fantasy. But again, repeat it enough times with enough enthusiasm and it becomes a far more entertaining line to hang on to than the simple truth of 'no, thats not how it is'. But hey, makes fuck all difference to my life or the lives of those that work with and for me so please, if it makes you happy, carry on with it. 

There was a time when the boss's of the world, that led regimes took pride in grooming the young, opening paths for the young. Showing them how this world works. In todays day and age, forget all the teaching aspect of it.

This still happens. All day every day in a good number of families I could mention. To suggest it doesn't happen is willfully ignorant and utterly empty as a flash-point comment. 

If you are half capable of being a decent mobster, you will be shot in the darkness of the night. Something about the Black in the water that just doesn't rhyme with being a good gangster anymore.  

Again, this is simply not true. Innumerable opportunities have been and continue to be handed out to almost anyone with great promise. It has always been the case and will continue to be the case for anyone and everyone that works hard, does the right thing and shows promise. Most of the people that have been given chances are from unknown origin. There is no closed shop. 

Hell even a Don isn't safe anymore. There was a time when Made use to mean something. When Made's were considered family and their blood usually spilled when the CL died. These days, a Don in a family almost has to look over their shoulder, not for the opposition. But for their own men, who knows…your CL may have sent someone to take care of you. 

Anyone working against the people that protect them and put them in their positions of power, will be removed. Simple. That has always been the case. Forever and ever and ever. Acting like it hasn't is just nostalgic delusion.

Carry yourself with enough dignity and smarts to look like someone that can climb the ladder. And they will cut you down faster than you can say Hi. And its not because they fear you, hell whats a 60 day mobster going to do to a GF? Whats a 600 kill canon going to do to a GF? Absolutely nothing.

Again, absolute bollocks. Just look at the ranks, ages and guns of some of the people walking our streets. People who we 'the regime' have no idea who they are. I liked a lot of what you said in your speech but it really descended into a mire of tabloid headline bullshit at the end. 

I could go on to reference comments you made in your response but it would only amount to more of the same. A lot of what you said is just not true. Popular and so well repeated that people now accept it as truth even though it isn't but still untrue all the same. People make a song and dance of the fact I or others don't come out here and rebut such accusations and that this must be a clear admission of the truth of said accusations. No it isn't. Maybe I and others are so tired of listening to the same ridiculous shit from hysterical know-nothings that we just can't be fucking arsed. 

People scream and shout like you have rights, like you deserve an explanation for everything, like everything we do needs to be justified. Does it fuck! People bang on about mafia values like there was some kind of mob church of dignified people who had incredible moral scruples. I'm sorry but the reality of the mob has never been that way. its always been horrible grease-ball shit from beginning to end. Knives in the back, betrayal at every turn, blood in the olive oil. Thats the reality. Anything else is just a whiny bitch fairy tail. Get the fuck over yourselves you pathetic shithouses. If you don't like it, do something about it. Other than humiliating yourselves by pissing your pants in the streets that is. 

I for one will call utter crap on not taking and training new mobsters considering that has been one of my ancestors main jobs here in Las Vegas and as for the half decent mobsters being shot if there not in this inner circle again total crap I came to vegas as a nobody here only a few knew me I worked hard helped out and what would you know my father hit over 90 days the rank of don oh and became a crew leader yes it was a very good speech you laid out very convincing to someone who hasn't actually seen first hand the workings of vegas 
 

I must say Clack I'm not sure if your forebearers where either naive , blind or simply not be important enough to know the truth.

First off the golden days of Marietta. Marietta and ThomasRourke routinely had JimmyTheLionHand kill off members of his city who were getting too big or for minor infractions. Seeing as my family line had both been a high ranking hitter for Marietta and later the hit squad leader and captain of Jimmy I think I know what I'm talking about.

As for Deimne's reign, well lets see you had distant relatives of myself, Godfather Monsterhair and RampagingFox who's antics pretty much brought about the rules on contract killings we have today which Deimne found incredibly funny. Looking back there were some others such as Sprozza, bighead, Clause (fat bastard) McSlapawhore, Sayyid, Shocker & Scarin. Indeed I too look back on those journals with fondness but I also see them for what they are.

As for your current events inaccuracies, you seem to be labouring under the delusion I sit at the big boy table and make some kind of decisions regarding how we do business. Were that even slightly true do you really think Lilith would have been framed so easily? One look at the "Evidence" and I could tell it was fake. I may well be left hand man to the most powerful Godfather in America but I'm not on any sort of council.

What was said:

My ancestor was a significant part of Deimne's regime and I can tell you from first hand journals that those boys you are painting out to be noble gents of standards and value, were anything but. Don't get me wrong, as one of their main guys my forefather loved Deimne to bits but he was anything but blind to the vast array of morally grey maneuvers he made. As for Roman and TheDean. Roman just got off the back of begging for his life after illegally shooting someone he had a bloodlined when he and TheDean turned on their own Godfather and city and shot anyone and everyone they could from the brothers and sisters they had spent their long lives swearing undying loyalty to. There was no ill will from my kin toward them for the moves they made. They made a decision and made their move and it worked for them. Fair play. My point is, they were all anything but noble, respectable, moral or just men. They were total scum that would (and did) shoot their own mothers for success.

What was meant: 

You don't know man, you weren't there! How dare you have an incorrect opinion about someone that isn't my own.

What was said:

My ancestor was his LHM for a very long time and I can tell you right now, this statement couldn't be further from the truth.

What was meant: 

Believe me! I can tell you fuck all right now and I won't.

What was said:

There isn't as much secrecy as you may think. I've not hidden anyone I've killed and I've not regretted any of the shots I have taken. Some of them were extremely difficult to take but thats the nature of our work. Sometimes explanations are given but not accepted. Sometimes the requests for witness statements are actually genuine. Not all the people you listed have been killed the way the tabloids would suggest. I could come out every time and explain the ones we actually did kill but really, with the barrage of affection from rogue miscreants every time I come out here, why should I bother? Why should any of us?

What was meant: 

You know jack shit, some of those shots were extremely hard. I mean we had to look for them and stuff... Sometimes we try to explain our side of shit but there's always one fucker that knows that, like us, knows the truth and then they calls us on our bullshit and then we look bad which makes for much sad. We decided no lie makes us look less bad than lie that people don't believe.

What was said:

This again is another popular myth, repeated so many times its now regarded as a long accepted fact. There was one incident where time was measured as a means of organizing one list. That was a very long time ago now. The idea that we have a certain number of kills we consider a cut off point for removing people is total fantasy. But again, repeat it enough times with enough enthusiasm and it becomes a far more entertaining line to hang on to than the simple truth of 'no, thats not how it is'. But hey, makes fuck all difference to my life or the lives of those that work with and for me so please, if it makes you happy, carry on with it. 

What was meant: 

Poppycock! We have learnt, No more lists. Please don't notice the coincidences between the days when people mysteriously die. Twas Aliens!

What was said:

This still happens. All day every day in a good number of families I could mention. To suggest it doesn't happen is willfully ignorant and utterly empty as a flash-point comment. 

What was meant: 

Of course we groom people! Wait. Er. Of course we develop our members, we like that they waste their effort doing things we tell them too for time periods that are completely coincidental (remember?) rather than you know, think. NO SUGGESTIONS!

What was said:

Again, this is simply not true. Innumerable opportunities have been and continue to be handed out to almost anyone with great promise. It has always been the case and will continue to be the case for anyone and everyone that works hard, does the right thing and shows promise. Most of the people that have been given chances are from unknown origin. There is no closed shop. 

What was meant: 

Again, this is simply not true. We hate and shoot everyone we don't like, not just those who are half capable.

What was said:

Anyone working against the people that protect them and put them in their positions of power, will be removed. Simple. That has always been the case. Forever and ever and ever. Acting like it hasn't is just nostalgic delusion.

What was meant: 

Any children angry at their parents being fucked over by us who decide to work against the people that lovingly manipulated, controlled and used them will be shot till they are dead. Repeatedly. Lots. 

What was said:

Again, absolute bollocks. Just look at the ranks, ages and guns of some of the people walking our streets. People who we 'the regime' have no idea who they are. I liked a lot of what you said in your speech but it really descended into a mire of tabloid headline bullshit at the end. 

What was meant: 

SHAPPUP! I'm right cause I say so, look at the ranks of my many friends and the wiseguys below them! THE WISEGUYS, WHY WON'T ANYONE THINK OF THE WISE GUYS!?

What was said:

I could go on to reference comments you made in your response but it would only amount to more of the same. A lot of what you said is just not true. Popular and so well repeated that people now accept it as truth even though it isn't but still untrue all the same. People make a song and dance of the fact I or others don't come out here and rebut such accusations and that this must be a clear admission of the truth of said accusations. No it isn't. Maybe I and others are so tired of listening to the same ridiculous shit from hysterical know-nothings that we just can't be fucking arsed. 

People scream and shout like you have rights, like you deserve an explanation for everything, like everything we do needs to be justified. Does it fuck! People bang on about mafia values like there was some kind of mob church of dignified people who had incredible moral scruples. I'm sorry but the reality of the mob has never been that way. its always been horrible grease-ball shit from beginning to end. Knives in the back, betrayal at every turn, blood in the olive oil. Thats the reality. Anything else is just a whiny bitch fairy tail. Get the fuck over yourselves you pathetic shithouses. If you don't like it, do something about it. Other than humiliating yourselves by pissing your pants in the streets that is.

What was meant: 

RAWRRRRR! ME SMASH! HAVE SOME SWEARWORDS AND INSULTS!

Seriously though, we care less about the speeches you give than you actually care about giving us speeches. You made the right choice when you decided to stop giving them in the first place considering none of you can say anything without a bunch of people jumping down your throats disagreeing with stupid shit like evidence. The audacity of some people, I mean how dare they not like you, your friends, your policies and your actions then decide that they will try do something about it.

Once rank, weapons, good looks and bodyguards are removed we aren't all that different. Everything that you've witnessed us doing, we witnessed the regime doing long ago and you don't like that its backfiring and your desperate and paranoid actions of late have only worked to prove this point.

Keep up the good work.

P.S. Apologises for being a rogue miscreant with his own opinions.

Since you put a little effort in to this and mentioned me multiple times, I'll indulge you, although most of this would be better suited to another place. 

Roman was a bastard, Marietta was a bastard and Deimne was a bastard. Unsurprisingly, Disorder is a bastard as well. You don't get to the top or remain there for any prolonged period of time without having a certain amount of bastardry running through your veins. I could give you lots of examples of the bastardly things these people did, but would that change your opinion that we are so much worse than what has come before? I doubt it. 

Don't you also find it a little ironic, that people like you are decrying bloodlining from the highest of high horses and yet here you are doing your best effort to map every possible branch of my family tree? 

Anyway, as you said, LuciusSweet was dead and I'm not sure if you have noticed, but it is pretty hard to protect people from a coffin, pal. As to why I, LarryLongNeck, didn't protect them, am I now responsible for the things (with a heavy heart I use this term) my predecessor did? Isn't that bloodlining, again? Regardless, the answer is simple; I didn't know them from a hole in the wall. How many of your Dad's business associates who you've never spoken to do you put in a word for? I thought not. 

Thanks for stopping by and making your points GF Disorder. Its ironic how your conversation started with commending me about the articulation of the speech and ended down right with "I'm sorry but the reality of the mob has never been that way. its always been horrible grease-ball shit from beginning to end. Knives in the back, betrayal at every turn, blood in the olive oil. Thats the reality. Anything else is just a whiny bitch fairy tail. Get the fuck over yourselves you pathetic shithouses. If you don't like it, do something about it. Other than humiliating yourselves by pissing your pants in the streets that is." Yea Bonkers learned that the hard way. We get that. But enough of the petty stuff. Lets delve in shall we? 

My ancestor was a significant part of Deimne's regime and I can tell you from first hand journals that those boys you are painting out to be noble gents of standards and value, were anything but. Don't get me wrong, as one of their main guys my forefather loved Deimne to bits but he was anything but blind to the vast array of morally grey maneuvers he made. As for Roman and TheDean. Roman just got off the back of begging for his life after illegally shooting someone he had a bloodlined when he and TheDean turned on their own Godfather and city and shot anyone and everyone they could from the brothers and sisters they had spent their long lives swearing undying loyalty to.

Well considering your ancestors were LHM to Deimne, I won't get into the inner workings of how Deimne's regime worked. From a distance my ancestors noted how the city of NY was run, and no matter the issue, grey, white or black. Deimne always came to the streets and had a explanation for his work. Granted the man comes from a lineage of outspoken orators, he still usually made his way out here and spoke to the general populous. On to Roman and TheDean. Roman was infact a rogue, no two ways about it. He may have been the most successful Rogue the mob has ever seen. He setup after his GF was put down, he begged TheDean for mercy to spare his life, which TheDean so generously did. Sounds like a man that would kill his mother for success right? Now don't get it twisted, TheDean was a GF in his own right, your quarrels with him perhaps stem from the fact that TheDean and three other GF's that were authed by NY turned on Deimne. Truth be told, as strongly as Deimne's regime started with the war against his fellow GF, the name escapes me at the moment, but something about flying Pigs as the story in the papers indicated. Deimne's reign ended pretty badly, and from logs of the past, your ancestors fought valiantly. Hey even Larrys ancestors fought against you in that war. And their reason was pretty basic. Deimne's reign had become exclusive. TheDean's problem wasn't with sitting behind a all mighty GF. TheDeans problem was sitting behind a GF that was now running an exclusive regime, only allowing in a certain number of people through the "net" as Judgement just stated. Over time when members of someone's crew deserve an in and dont get it, kinda gets old to watch the old guard hold onto old glory, when the new guard is doing everything in its power to preserve the old. Hence why I initially stated, most of those men were put down by their CL, Captains or UnderBoss's. Well minus TheDean, he built a 5 GF chain and retired. Sounds like a monster to me so far. And his underboss was your ancestors coworker, RHW for Deimne. He gave her a chance, and blossom she did…all the way to GF. What a horrific man?!?!

There isn't as much secrecy as you may think. I've not hidden anyone I've killed and I've not regretted any of the shots I have taken. Some of them were extremely difficult to take but thats the nature of our work. Sometimes explanations are given but not accepted. Sometimes the requests for witness statements are actually genuine. Not all the people you listed have been killed the way the tabloids would suggest.

I will be the first one to say, you have owned most of your war kills. Any time your regime as warred someone or taken down someone you have owned it, whether it be friend or foe. And I respect that. Any man that makes a move should have the ballz to be able to come out here and own the blood shed that they just caused. And youve been on point with that. Now where the tabloids come into play is when members of your own organization start disappearing in the middle of the night. As I stated initially in my speech. Members from GF crews were shot and disappeared, LHM's were shot and disappeared. With well documented speeches from their kin showing how their boss's gave a damn about responding to their messages and queries about why their ancestors were put down. Now just so conveniently the witness statements for these men are not found. Kinda surprises me when your organization prides itself on pooling witness statements and deposits them in the Black water bank for further purges. Another point here, Lucky was shot down not to long ago. Every man/woman capable of taking the shot was shot down, that was on at the time of the shot, when Lucky died. Kinda crazy that y'all sent a blunt message when Lucky was shot down, but forgot to do that for the other 15+ that have been shot down in the last couple of weeks. And yet, no witnesses found, no onliness dead. Hey I'm a believer in trends, men can lie…trends dont. Not calling you a liar, just saying…trends dont lie. 

Again, this is simply not true. Innumerable opportunities have been and continue to be handed out to almost anyone with great promise. It has always been the case and will continue to be the case for anyone and everyone that works hard, does the right thing and shows promise. Most of the people that have been given chances are from unknown origin.

Oh we definitely saw that in the various competitions you have setup for different cities over the last some months. We saw the hollywood act in LA, we saw the pay as you go act in Det, we saw the can you be a CL talk in NY. I for one actually would back you on those. They were more creative ways of bringing life to other cities than I've seen before, ill say that for sure. Two things here though. You have a house full of hounds that love to feed, dont lie, every GF, every CL has a pound full of them. Gunners that cant wait to squeeze that trigger. You gotta feed them somehow. You've done a good job so far, by giving the new an opportunity and then letting your hounds loose when those cities got anywhere close to being decent. As the all mighty GF your within your means to do that. But again I ask. Were these cities that you steamrolled actually threats to you sir Mr. GF? Half of those guys couldn't touch you. Yet they got fed to the dogs, cause thats what they were bred for. Now Mr Shaw came out here to speak about how his father was authed and he was a little green in the ears, a new blood of sorts to take up the bold suit. Splendid…you know what a little birdie said at the time of the rogues? Mr Shaw's father said something along the lines of "If we shoot the proer, wouldnt that decrease the time of the pro on the rogue". Ah!!! Yea. Ill just leave this at where it is. You've only let men lead when they were competent enough to hold a crew together, raise a possible crew. But they were so incompetent that they couldn't tell how a pro actually works. You would say thats an example of giving fresh blood a chance. Id say, thats mitigating future damage from a new blood later. Considering all the old blood about you, is well…sorta like the old guard Deimne had. 

Anyone working against the people that protect them and put them in their positions of power, will be removed. Simple. That has always been the case. Forever and ever and ever. Acting like it hasn't is just nostalgic delusion.

See now what dictates that these men were actually working against you? Or the people in power? From all accounts of these men that were shot in the middle of the night, were actually talented, hardworking men. Some of them had over 100million in revenues, not to mention decent gun counts. Thats the problem here I think. You guys keep offing anyone that as I stated earlier…is competent enough to hold their own. And you know full well that someone by themselves cant do anything to you unless they are a CL. And I dont mean Rogue CL's….im talking about CL's that have 40 men on their back to be able to lead an attack. So essentially when these men were shot and left to rot like well, Begbie LHM, Don-Ald/Dutchess GF crew members, Darkwing LHM. Wraith even, but you went into the grey side on that one. They were all assets individually. But their capacity is what bothered your regime. Its why they were shot dead in the middle of the night. See I'm going to go back to what I was saying about trends. Men can lie, I can lie, you can lie, a third person can lie. A trend…never does. Capable men dying in the middle of the night is becoming a trend, not a off one occurrence. 

Again, absolute bollocks. Just look at the ranks, ages and guns of some of the people walking our streets. People who we 'the regime' have no idea who they are. I liked a lot of what you said in your speech but it really descended into a mire of tabloid headline bullshit at the end. 

That actually quite naive sir. Your saying there are men with canons walking around and you don't know who they are? Kinda surprising to note that, considering the emphasis on witness statement collections, Shot reports and such. Now S/R's is something that have always been the golden standard, you report or you die. I stand with that thought process. But I think its a first in history that witness statements are collected with the mobsters name attached to them. Didn't happen before. Why the need now? Yea…just a innocent gesture to reward the reporters I guess? Sure. You can call the men dying in the middle of the night tabloid news. Since I am not at the council, I cant really say whether someone at the table was like "Ok lets go kill Begbie today". But look at what happened when Lucky died, and then compare that to how luke warm the response was to the rest of the killings. And that makes a lowly gangster wonder. Why the selective justice? Why the selective reaction? Why the politics of exclusivity? 

In the end here, this is all I will say. Men that were shot when their children returned, they were 'suggested' by employers to not build guns, because they would be seen as threats. Couple that with the fact that the witness statement's were never found. Ill let the populous make its own decision about what really happened.

Alas, Im not here to bash the regime per say, or even you the all mighty ruler. My attempt is simply to contrast the previous regimes, and show how they never shot their own within the ranks…even when the soldiers or Underboss's under them were children of men and women they had killed a generation ago. That would not persist today sadly. 

Once rank, weapons, good looks and bodyguards are removed we aren't all that different. Everything that you've witnessed us doing, we witnessed the regime doing long ago and you don't like that its backfiring and your desperate and paranoid actions of late have only worked to prove this point.

Your starting to sound like a 3 digit numerical group that existed not to long ago. Its funny there is a saying "Some times when you try to change the system from within, its the system that changes you". Your ancestors brought that system down from within, and seems like the that system rubbed off on you a bit. If you think were paranoid, your mistaken sir. Its the paranoia from this regime that leaves LHM and GF crew members dead in the middle of the night. Its this regimes call, that men with guns capable of shooting lucky are all shot, cause they are online. And we the people are paranoid? I beg to differ sir. And Ill lean heavily on this line right here. "Once rank, weapons, good looks and bodyguards are removed we aren't all that different". I cant speak for any other orator that has come forward to raise their issues here, but ill speak for me. And all I want is a level playing field for everyone that returns, no matter if they come from a lineage of Rogues or GF's. Every man or woman that steps on these shores is suppose to be given a brand new start of sorts. Town Hall has done what it can to give every new mobster an ability to start anew. For all the reasons stated above, it feels though as if, anyone capable of building a gun is almost looked under a microscope and guilty till proven innocent under this regime. Give us ALL an opportunity to be not so different, and I assure you the public outcry would come to an end. 

Once rank, weapons, good looks and bodyguards are removed we aren't all that different. Everything that you've witnessed us doing, we witnessed the regime doing long ago and you don't like that its backfiring and your desperate and paranoid actions of late have only worked to prove this point.

Your starting to sound like a 3 digit numerical group that existed not to long ago. Its funny there is a saying "Some times when you try to change the system from within, its the system that changes you". Your ancestors brought that system down from within, and seems like the that system rubbed off on you a bit. If you think were paranoid, your mistaken sir. Its the paranoia from this regime that leaves LHM and GF crew members dead in the middle of the night. Its this regimes call, that men with guns capable of shooting lucky are all shot, cause they are online. And we the people are paranoid? I beg to differ sir. And Ill lean heavily on this line right here. "Once rank, weapons, good looks and bodyguards are removed we aren't all that different". I cant speak for any other orator that has come forward to raise their issues here, but ill speak for me. And all I want is a level playing field for everyone that returns, no matter if they come from a lineage of Rogues or GF's. Every man or woman that steps on these shores is suppose to be given a brand new start of sorts. Town Hall has done what it can to give every new mobster an ability to start anew. For all the reasons stated above, it feels though as if, anyone capable of building a gun is almost looked under a microscope and guilty till proven innocent under this regime. Give us ALL an opportunity to be not so different, and I assure you the public outcry would come to an end. 

Ok, this is awkward.

I'm a fan of your work Clack but you seem to have quoted me and then replied as if it was the Red Power Ranger who said it.

First off the golden days of Marietta. Marietta and ThomasRourke routinely had JimmyTheLionHand kill off members of his city who were getting too big or for minor infractions. Seeing as my family line had both been a high ranking hitter for Marietta and later the hit squad leader and captain of Jimmy I think I know what I'm talking about.

Your lineage has always been held in high regard and always been the cream of the crop. Its why you were even mentioned in this speech. And considering your LHM now to the most powerful man about. My father assumed you were at the council table. I guess in this case his assumption was wrong. And if so, I apologize on my fathers behalf for placing you as a member of the inner council. As for what Marietta and ThomasRourke asked of Jimmy back in the day. I cant say that wasn't done, logs from my ancestors definetly left that information too. But as my father stated in his initial speech. Marietta or TR never shot one of their own, unless it was a rule break situation. What they did with the members and CL's or GF's outside is a whole another story. This is the mob after all, anyone that isn't you is your competition. And Marietta and TR weren't the first ones to limit their competition. Jimmy was lucky to be alive as long as he was. But again I emphasize the fact that these men that were shaved off, weren't actual members of TR or Mariettas organization, but members outside of their organization. 

As for Deimne's reign, well lets see you had distant relatives of myself, Godfather Monsterhair and RampagingFox who's antics pretty much brought about the rules on contract killings we have today which Deimne found incredibly funny. Looking back there were some others such as Sprozza, bighead, Clause (fat bastard) McSlapawhore, Sayyid, Shocker & Scarin. Indeed I too look back on those journals with fondness but I also see them for what they are.

I think all our forefathers had a good laugh about the contract kills those days. Some of us were against it. But alas, thats a battle we couldn't win. It has allowed the newbies a window into the wicked minds of hitters though. So give praise where its due. Its helped the mobsters grow exponentially. 

As for your current events inaccuracies, you seem to be labouring under the delusion I sit at the big boy table and make some kind of decisions regarding how we do business. Were that even slightly true do you really think Lilith would have been framed so easily? One look at the "Evidence" and I could tell it was fake. I may well be left hand man to the most powerful Godfather in America but I'm not on any sort of council.

Well see again, just based on falsified information late GF Lillith was shot down. And your lineages links to her lineage are well documented and I am sure that was not easy for you. But thats basically what my father tried to address here in this speech. If a GF can be mowed down based on falsified information, what says that the men that are being left for dead in the middle of the night, aren't being shot for the same exact reason? What says that the information the regime is being fed isn't falsified or biased by the people bringing it forward to the council. And you cant tell me the council looks at all information the same way. The messenger that brings the information will almost always have an impact on how the information is weighed. And perhaps thats the discontinuity here? I cant speak for the council since I'm not there. I can only speak for the trends and how people are being left for dead without any manner of explanation for their deaths and such. I do thank you for taking the time to divulge in this speech my father started. 

Ah! My fault Insidious1, got my self stuck in a knot there mate. Downside of piling up responses. 

Roman was a bastard, Marietta was a bastard and Deimne was a bastard. Unsurprisingly, Disorder is a bastard as well. You don't get to the top or remain there for any prolonged period of time without having a certain amount of bastardry running through your veins. I could give you lots of examples of the bastardly things these people did, but would that change your opinion that we are so much worse than what has come before? I doubt it. 

Yes! Yes! Were all bastards, scum and looters when you boil it all down. The bigger the crook the longer the reign. So no opposition there. I am merely questioning the methods used by the current regime vs the old ones as I've read in the history books. 

Don't you also find it a little ironic, that people like you are decrying bloodlining from the highest of high horses and yet here you are doing your best effort to map every possible branch of my family tree? 

Anyway, as you said, LuciusSweet was dead and I'm not sure if you have noticed, but it is pretty hard to protect people from a coffin, pal. As to why I, LarryLongNeck, didn't protect them, am I now responsible for the things (with a heavy heart I use this term) my predecessor did? Isn't that bloodlining, again? Regardless, the answer is simple; I didn't know them from a hole in the wall. How many of your Dad's business associates who you've never spoken to do you put in a word for? I thought not. 

Two things here. Id be wrong to say that your not one of the oldest lineages on our shores. Your lineage travels far and beyond most of ours. But I'm sorry, mapping out your family tree is not a part of my concerns. The instances my father spoke about, just so happened to overlap with your ancestors as well. Its why you were even mentioned…mapping trees is not my style. Consult with LawnMower there.   

And as for you not being able to protect the men that your father authed. Your within your means to not vouch for them. You are your own person, you obviously dont have the same relations with these men as your father did. I however just wanted to connect that to a speech you had made about 'mending bridges and asking you for protection' since you sit at the small council table. I was merely pointing to the fact that you being at the council doesn't mean much in the way of protection when well…your lineages previous protectees (if thats even a word) were well, lit up. So almost makes your speech about 'asking for protection' almost null and void. But who knows maybe as long as Larry lives, the protection will hold. Only time will tell I guess. As it holds, none from your crew have been found dead without witness statements yet. So in that sense your protection so far holds. 

And thank you for divulging in my fathers speech. Your time spent here is well appreciated. 

Evidently the history books that you have access to contain blank pages. 

Whether it was your intention or not, how many times have you mentioned my ancestors? People want to be treated at face value; that shit goes both ways guys. I'm not anyone except LarryLN.

I also don't know why you're trying to link something that was said somewhere else (OOC, not by my character) to me when they obviously don't gel. Even so, if you want to believe the reason people hadn't reached out to me was because they didn't think I can protect them, then have at it. 

I lived for well over 120 days during the Disorder regime.

I've never had a whack attempt on my life, as long as one doesn't give someone a reason to act, they won't.

Actions have concequences.