more innocent deaths???

Squishy isn't the one running around for nearly a year shooting everyone for any reason he sees fit. Their paranoia is already causing numerous and daily innocent deaths and has been for months - bit coincidental that I was literally just killed having done nothing bar use my words.

If those in power chose to make their own paranoia and others hatred even worse by upping the amount of deaths and therefore enraging even more people to take action against them then that's their own fault and they need to live with the consequences, not him.

The only people who collect witness statements are the ones who deserve to have their pockets raided and their schemes upset.

" they need to live with the consequences, not him. "

Really? It's their real life income at stake here? Because last I checked, Squishy ran the site, not the regime. And last I checked, more people dying for 'no reason' means more people leaving. AND the last I checked, more people leaving = BAD FOR THE SITE. Right? I know I'm right, it's okay, you don't need to confirm this.

Real life income? No one is forcing them to spend their real money, infact with the amount of money they will be generating from taxes it should be more than enough to cover the increase. If not then they will need to learn to budget their money slightly better. 

I thought the whole point of this game was to make it as realistic as possible? Is it not feasible that those selling the information would increase their prices to stupid amounts to cash in for their own greedy needs?

For a long time now the regime have been trying to convince us that their actions have NOT been driving members away and have been producing wonderful stats to back it up. Now that a decision has been made that affects them and all of a sudden players are gonna high tail it out of here and leave. 

Insidious, you should perhaps read before you type out responses. The real life income was pertaining to SQUISHY's income being negatively effected by lower averaging playing time and a slightly decreasing user base, specifically in regards to how this change will further exacerbate his financial concerns about the site.

" Now that a decision has been made that affects them and all of a sudden players are gonna high tail it out of here and leave.  "

You do realize that up until about a month ago, I've spent the entirety of 2017 getting killed by said regime? My distraught over this change has literally fuck all to do with how this effects me.

The change has literally only just been implemented and you're using a fact that we've had proven to us is not the case by the regime (that membership is dying and no one is playing anymore) to argue that its a bad idea?

You have no idea how it will affect anything but are banging on about it like you have a crystal ball.

And I know fine well that you're referring to SQUISHY's income and not YOUR income so why are you telling him what he can and cant do with his own game and his own income?

When there have been multiple people at the top who will admit this will cause more paranoia, and lead to more death, what other way CAN it play out other than more people getting pissed off and leaving the site?

I'm not telling him what can and can't do, but nice try. I'm pointing out how piss awful of an idea this was and that it was done in a knee-jerk response, with hardly any deliberation put into it.

Your troll levels and attempts to illicit a response unbecoming of me are both pathetic and easily warded off, kindly find someone else to bother.

Ok - can we stop arguing please? You've expressed your opinions.

Jesus... 

Paranoia and death are at an all time high already and if what you say it true then its already affecting his income and pissing people off and making them leave the site. So how can you blame him for trying to implement different ideas to see how they play out?

BUT thats not the case is it? Numerous stats have been provided to show that dying repeatedly is having little to no effect on the membership. So why should it matter that the people at the top are having to pay extra to receive their witness statements?

The regime have admitted that an idea that affects their pockets, their paranoia and their schemes is a bad idea? Who would have thought.

As for my troll levels, I'll have you know that whilst I might do so in the streets and OOC, i'm actually attempting to have a serious conversation with you about it now, however as per usual when someone hears something they don't like, you're resorting to chat like that.

lol asking for a refund

Insidious, you seem to keep ignoring the fact that people who hold power in game have already said this will lead to more death. How could I possibly get behind that?

Lets get one thing straight - I am the Left Hand Man to Godfather Orange. I do what I can to help ensure the South Side of Chicago operates in a smooth manner. I am not part of any council, "the regime", and to be quite frank I'd be shocked if my word meant much more than the paper its printed on in their eyes.

That having been said, ultimately(as I also stated before), my true issue here is NOT EVEN THIS PARTICULAR CHANGE. It's the fact that WS's have been removed on NPCs etc etc, (...as I said...again...).

Fair enough - I am perfectly willing and capable of having a valid discussion with absolutely anyone, and I didn't mean to dismiss your thoughts as invalid, I just believe you are completely mistaken about 1) where I sit as far as 'in-game power' 2) my reasons for disliking this so much and 3) my "telling" of Izzy how to run anything.

I speak with the man in person, in real life, all the time. I'm perfectly aware he's going to do things as he sees fit, and he's perfectly aware that I'm going to speak up and point things out as I see them. This dynamic has not changed once in my 9 years and 16,000 hours here and is not likely going to change - because I love this place, and everyone's opinion should be heard.

95% of the time I'm right there backing every move Squishy makes, but again, I call them as I see them, and I don't see this one going very well for him at all.

Ok firstly let me just clarify that what relationship you have outside of the game with anyone matters not to me, it has nothing to do with me and im not in a position to judge on that basis, if I was wrong to assume that you saying "I tried telling you this or that and I tried telling you this or that" was you trying to order or guilt him over his decisions he makes with his own game then I apologise.

However you're the left hand of Godfather Orange who is part of the regime, you're expected to get behind whatever they chose to do, or at I believe this should be the case.

The regime have been increasingly murdering more and more people as time has progressed and giving themselves more and more reasons to do so by all these stupid rules like the vouching system. I agree that Squishy might have just given them ANOTHER reason to do it but what difference does it make when they are already doing the same thing theirselves?

I personally think that a group of people who murder a group of innocents for just being online at the time a rogue struck will not give one flying fuck about this and only exploit it to their advantage. 

The difference with this change is that squishy has put into place a system that isn't just one sided and doesn't just suit the regime, now others have a chance to hide their kills and put up an even bigger fight. 

More and more deaths were always going to be on the cards when people start waking up and fighting back.

Alright, thank you for the clarification.

I nearly died laughing then. Sorry Henri, it was a nice try.

The difference with this change is that squishy has put into place a system that isn't just one sided and doesn't just suit the regime, now others have a chance to hide their kills and put up an even bigger fight. 

This. So much this. Regardless of who is in power. Information being as powerful a resource as it is I like the idea of seeing it cut. We're opening up the game a bit here in my opinion, even if Disorder is as batshit crazy with the trigger as he's portrayed to be and that opening is really slim. There's still an opening.

Also am I the only one here that thinks player politics should bend to game mechanics not the other way around? The hell is this shit about. 

Also am I the only one here that thinks player politics should bend to game mechanics not the other way around?

 Hit the nail on the head. Have a cookie.

I'm totally on board with the sentiment, I just feel not considering how newly proposed game mechanics will actually affect game play in practice is a recipe for disaster.

And to save Insidious9 the effort:

IT IS ALREADY A FUCKING DISASTER

Careful Larry, Dan might shoot you for saying such things.