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Hello Started by: FlyingPig on Jul 24, '10 20:10

TM steps out to the streets, a serious look on his face as he listens to a fellow Mafioso FlyingPig speak. His eyebrow raises as the speech goes on and on of the new gangsters “power”. TM forces himself to listen to the rest of the ego trip before he decides to speak.

 

I am interested in the way you speak to your community. Do you think your better? You refer to myself and others as puny and insignificant towards your self proclaimed awesomeness, I find it funny how you always refer to what your bloodline has accomplished or may have accomplished whether the facts are 100% true or not, I am not sure. Perhaps you enjoy building up your persona as a tough pig, an epic pig..a god pig..but lets face the facts a pig isn't god, and your life isn't worth more or less then the rest of ours. IE you have no right to speak about my fellow mafiosi as they were incompetent morons, perhaps that's how you see everybody besides yourself...Kind of pig-headed if you ask me.

Secondly. Your bloodline is well renowned for trying to teach the old Mafioso ways from the old country, countless hours spent speaking about how this is suppose to go and how were doing it wrong. But I never see you try and change anything, in fact I see you going along with the rest of us “retards”. And in several instances breaking a few of those very codes that you preach. I won't get in specifics on this out of respect to you. It has me wonder, how can we “depend” on someone who doesn't practice what they preach.

You speak about the mafia your beloved Cosa Nostra as if it was your child, the Cosa Nostra isn't yours..its in all of us everybody, and perhaps the only disgrace befalling it is the opening of your mouth. With disrespect towards the community, of course you didn't single out one individual as the masses of “paralyzed and uncertain” people clearly portrayed as everyone except yourself. Perhaps you think your some demi god, I see differently.

I am disgusted by your portrayal of the mafioso, and regard for those around you, there is one important thing in La Cosa Nostra that you aren't following..respect. That has always been your fault FP lack of respect and regard for anyone else over some sense of self assention. La Cosa Nostra..is a business a business that cuts corners and constantly evolves. This recent lack of you, was not the cause of the “downfall” you speak of, actually this..lack of you was quite liberating as it free'd the masses of “puny imbeciles” of your clearly unworthy literature.

Lastly, I suggest you focus on the here and now FlyingPig, not what FlyingPig I,II or III has done, you preach about the downfall of society then help it..use your knowledge to help your fellow mafiosi instead of bringing them down and using it to heighten your own ego. I think, the disintegration of the Mafia values are individuals inflating there own ego, and instead of helping the community. And flood it with this disrespectful trash.

 

TM steps down, satisfied with what he said..a smile on his face as he stands there in wait to hear what others have to say.

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TM, I have a question for you... What has your bloodline done for our "thing" lately?

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TM looks at the individual in the back of the crowd he nods thinking to himself before speaking.

By being active in the families I have worked under and been nothing more then a productive member of society, I won't get in the specifics of what was done exactly, but rest assure, that these words were not spoken from a hypocrite. I assure you and everyone else that I have done my fair share, amongst many others to enhance and add more depth to "our thing"

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If you really wanted me to resort to my old ways of trying to teach, I would start by picking apart just about everything you said.  I gave up on being the "teacher" for the very reason that I am seeing before me now.  It was a futile effort.  You cannot teach those who are a product of inbreeding.

Let me demonstrate.  You are someone whose ancestors date back a little while.  Not long enough to have actually had the good fortune to witness Cosa Nostra operating like it should, but at least long enough where you should have learned some of the basic fundamentals and not make such naive comments as such:

1. "your life isn't worth more or less than the rest of ours"

False.  Your comment assumes equality among us. We are not all equal.  Ancestors of mine have killed Dons in order to protect Gangsters.  If that isn't an illustration of inequality, I don't know what is.  This is such a rudimentary mafia concept, I should not even need to speak it.  And here you are, someone who I am sure many mobsters consider a veteran, making this foolish error. If you cannot learn something as simple as the fact that we are not all equal in the mafia, what reason do I have to think anyone else would absorb something I said that might actually be somewhat complicated?

2. "IE you have no right to speak about my fellow mafiosi..."

Ridiculous and inapplicable statement.  Where do "rights" fit in with Cosa Nostra?  We are not governed by a set of rights.  POWER dictates what we can and cannot do.  Therefore, since I am all powerful, I may speak about your fellow mafiosi in any manner I see fit.  The fact that you think any of us have "rights" further demonstrates your lack of elementary knowledge, and the futility of me trying to teach anyone anything.

3. "How can we depend on someone who doesn't practice what they preach"

Again, you completely miss the mark.  I'm not here to do charity work.  I'm here to work for my Boss and to kill stupid mother fuckers who are stealing my oxygen.  I don't want you to depend on me.  You shouldn't need to depend on me.  The only people you need to depend on are your family members.  All that aside, what is this nonsense about mobsters practicing what they preach?  What the fuck do you think this is?  We are not saints.  Shit, we might say one thing and do another.  Manipulation is as much a part of our business as lying and stealing.  Wait a second...NONE OF THOSE THINGS SOUND VERY NICE.  Imagine that.  You are looking for a fine, upstanding gentleman who "practices what they preach" in a den of thieves.  Further proof that you do not understand the nature of our business and the futility of me trying to teach anything.

4. "Cosa Nostra isn't yours..its in all of us everbody"

Other than the error in stating that Cosa Nostra does not belong to me, which it does, you again imply some sort of assumption of equality.  As if we all share this thing.  Not really.  There are the Bosses and there are the grunts.  If you are the lowest man on the ladder, you do not share anything.  You're lucky if you get scraps.

5. "There is one important thing in La Cosa Nostra that you aren't folowing...respect".

Before you preach to me, I would like to hear exactly what role you think respect plays in this thing of ours.  It sounds to me like you believe we are some fraternity of well-mannered gentlemen who tip their hats to each other and never utter a foul word.  You want me to teach? Ok, listen up. Here's a crash course in respect.  Respect flows uphill. Shit rolls downhill.  If I'm more powerful than you, I'm not going to bow to you and call you "sir".  I'm going to put my foot up your ass and tell you to get to making me money.  This goes back to us not all being equal.  This is one of the most annoying myths I see going on around here and one of the reasons I believe you are all retarded.  Respect in Cosa Nostra is nearly synonymous with FEAR.  You don't have to respect anyone, but in many cases you must SHOW respect, or else you get your head chopped off.  That is the roll of respect in Cosa Nostra.  Since I am invincible, I show respect only to those who have earned it in my eyes.

 

After pointing out how you have not learned even these very basic fundamentals, after you surely heard several speeches and episodes of "As the Pig Sees It", can you honestly blame me for not continuing to be a mafia tutor?  I love the sound of my own voice, don't get me wrong, but at some point I would like to see one or two of you mongs actually absorb something that I've tried to pass along.

Other errors you stated which are not related to our business:

I am not a demi-god (FALSE)

The recent downfall was not cause by a lack of "me". (FALSE. It totally was.)

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Dear FlyingPig, 

Thank you for sharing your thoughts. They are excellent. 

I might have giggled.

Catches a fly and hops away

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Your comment assumes equality among us. We are not all equal. .... This is such a rudimentary mafia concept, I should not even need to speak it.



FlyingPig, I love you. So often I, and my bloodline, have seen people come onto these streets complaining that they are not treated equal. What no one seems to understand, is that equality has never existed in this thing of ours. You want to be treated better? Earn it. That is how this thing works. Pure idiocy to think that someone is just going to treat you as a nobody the same as they would treat a Don or their Godfather.

Where do "rights" fit in with Cosa Nostra? We are not governed by a set of rights. POWER dictates what we can and cannot do.



Once again, are rights and power not gained together? How do people not understand this? Once again, your brilliance is showing FlyingPig. Finally someone in these streets who knows what they are talking about. You are a welcome distraction from the stupidity.

All that aside, what is this nonsense about mobsters practicing what they preach? What the fuck do you think this is? We are not saints. Shit, we might say one thing and do another. Manipulation is as much a part of our business as lying and stealing.



Are we not all part of the same thing where a grocery store ran by a little old lady would be robbed just so we can make a buck for our family? La Cosa Nostra has never been about being a saint. It's all about the money, and whatever you have to do to make it. Some people will never understand.

"There is one important thing in La Cosa Nostra that you aren't folowing...respect".



I would like to elaborate on what FlyingPig said. As a wise man once told me, "Repect is EARNED, not GIVEN." As a civilian coming off of the boat onto these shores, you are not going to get any respect from me. Hell, you are not going to get any respect as a thug. Prove yourself to me, then you get the respect. I may bring you under my wing to teach you, but I don't respect you. Respect is a hard thing to earn, and a lot has to be done to earn it. La Cosa Nostra is about respect yes, but it isn't handed out. And you sure are doing nothing to earn it right now.

Once again, thank you FlyingPig for coming to these streets and giving what was so thoroughly needed.

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Finally someone in these streets who knows what they are talking about. You are a welcome distraction from the stupidity.



Given that I am one of, if not the most regular speaker in the Streets, I'm not sure I like your implication. There are some stupid people and there are some intelligent people. Trying to get a leg up with FlyingPig at the expense of his much more handsome and powerful Boss, is stupid.

Keep in mind, this or any other tyrade wouldn't be possible without my backing. Whilst I'm happy to let Pig run amok for entertainment purposes, I think we all know the reason nobody has shot at him is because I would shoot you if you did. Had he remained unsponsored, I'm sure people would pull the trigger on him, but he didn't.

You've also missed the point of this entire show. FlyingPig, a Thug/Gangster, has done nothing to earn your respect other than come from a famous lineage. Conversely, I as a Godfather, have done many things to earn your respect. However whether you respect either of us is neither here nor there, you only have to show respect to me because I'm likely to be offended if you don't. I couldn't give a shit if you actually worshipped me or spit on my name from the safety of your bedroom, the point is perception. If you are perceived to be respectful to those who have the power (i.e. could shoot you) then your true feelings are by the by. Rank doesn't come into play unless those with power want it to.

There are also no 'rights', only the things you can get away with. FlyingPig decided he had the power (even vicariously through association with me) to do this and he was right. If the Godfathers all decided to restore the hug tax, who exactly would stop us? Nobody. Power dictates the rules and your own ability to get away with whatever it is you want to do is the only thing preventing you from doing it.

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Godfather Gwarble, I apologize for how I realize that I came off. I assure you the I meant no disrespect to yourself, or anyone else who comes to these streets, that has earned the right of voice. I was referring to those that come to the streets out of anger or disappointment, or those who come out and are simply put, stupid. I'm sure you know the type of person I am referring to. However, I realize that my words did not come out how my mind wanted them to, and I apologize.

FlyingPig, a Thug/Gangster, has done nothing to earn your respect other than come from a famous lineage.



The reason he has my respect has nothing to do with his lineage. He has made some valid points, backed them up, and stood up for what he believed in. Is his lineage respect worthy? Sure, but irrelevant in the current time. I myself expect no respect right now, because I have not earned it yet.

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Yet you are a Right Hand to a Captain in Los Angeles and therefore due respect, King-Finneius. Your leader's trust in you to represent his crew to the other cities, if needed, is what has been earned. Strange how a simply hello has evolved into a discussion on respect.

Strange but a welcome sight.

Hildebrand shuffles through some papers he always carries on him, then gives one to King-Finneius

This old transcript to a speech made by a well respected person that has ceased living in This Thing of Ours should be very informative on Hands and what respect they are owed.

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I don't think that transcript is going to be much use.

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Sadly. Wrong paper...

(OOC: Blast these editing links goofs. -----> http://mafiareturns.com/comm/thread/88754.)

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FlyingPig openly saying that someone needs to comeback their shit up and shoot you won't prove anything other than them wasting their time by killing you and their life. The statement saying "come back up your bullshit" or what have you is almost as arrogant as someone actually shooting you.

However, you have proven that you can push button's off those of the weak at heart. I personally could give two shits about all this but it has become quite amusing. Some people are attacking you with accusations without knowing the half of it and you're dancing on the other end of the sword saying "come shoot me". If I were a leader for either party I wouldn't tolerate the nonsense to be fair with everyone. Then again this is all just nonsense.

Smiling and looking at FlyingPig he turns to walk away.

That'll do pig, that'll do.

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