To clarify as im not sure are you implying I do or don't give a fuck about the game?

You'd rather just skip all the fourplay, wipe the current server and impliment the fun and fair changes, if that's the case.

And if that is the outcome anyway, why not impliment a tri monthly full scale user based vote to decide if the current server is reset? I cbf with fourplay these days. Lets just get everyone to that big O, without the running backwayrds through a corn field.

If majority (51%) vote for a reset, then so be it. This means the current regime would need to both include others in their own agenda and be making a positive impact on the majority of the server to continue another quarter.

We then treat the userbase as a collective and those at the top aren't cut off from the greater community. Overall people will be less self absorbed and more community orientated, as if they get too selfish then viola, the people will speak with a definite action that will actually alter the game, hopefully for the better.

Three months may be a little premature though, as if a reset does happen and the majority don't like the new environment, it could just reset the game again 90days later.

Yet, would 6months be too long? And would that drive people away sooner if they can already see the writing on the wall as to who will be in power? Or would it allow enough time for others to build and execute?

This idea gives the game a reset option if things really do get dire, yet it sits with the people and isn't every x days, so it still has an OG MR feel for uniqueness and reflects the power the community truly has here, as if we're honest, it's the reason most of us continue to come back.

Fuck a second server as that will just kill the first one anyway and kill all the work the current regime has put into the game. Now they will need to strive to make the game better with their influence, or else they sign their own fate, as do and will all.

well then probably be one of few wouldn't go over there, I don't want to build up to get killed ... that why I left 1st time in here.

V is anyone shitting all over this idea?? This is a place to voice your opinion on the idea that Izzy brought forth. We all love MR otherwise we wouldn't be here??

Essentially yes, it pretty much is.  People are mostly giving negatives and then that's it. "Nah the idea is crap because.......", and that's it. Don't like the idea, then give an alternative. Just picking out negatives and disecting an idea is not being constructive, it's just devaluing one idea and not giving another.

To clarify as im not sure are you implying I do or don't give a fuck about the game?

To be honest, I don't think even you know what you are on about half the time. I will give you a firm 67% in one direction, I just don't know which way.

(You sure it can't be a firm 69, simple for lols sake?)

Gotta agree with Henri here

If it reaches that point and the climate is the same, the final hail mary is to do a second server in hopes that everyone that has left the game for certain reasons, those reasons no longer exist and now they feel they can come back and enjoy the new opportunities.

I think a user base vote to reset things in a few months may be good enough reason to improve things too. It could also prevent the same situation from happening again, and do the same thing a second server would, just minus the beating around the bush.

Plus, it gives those in power now the same opportunity to rise to power again, otherwise they themselves might just not return, and I actually like these guys/gals.

I understand things are in a state of not cool for some, but if the current powers haven't actually done anything wrong, and are just playing the game very shrewd based on the mechanics and rules of the game as they've been, it wouldn't be fair to punish them too by erecting a second server.

Give the user base the power to decide a reset. Then those that feel hard done by really would have nothing to complain about, and neither would those currently in power. And admin wont be called out for tampering in things or what have you. And those that want change could return and be active again, as only active characters would be able to vote.

Fair enough. A second server is technically the same thing, though. One will eventually fade out and one will begin fresh, based on what you've said. It just has a longer path.

Time to throw in my two penneth for what it's worth.

I started my first character back in Dec 15' (Not that long ago I know) I lasted all of 5 days before I was shot and killed for shooting at someone that had PP'd me. 

For those of you that have been here sometime you need to try and think back to when you first started. Man this game is hard for new players, so many things to learn I must admit I found it all quite daunting. So much so that I went back to the games I knew and didn't return for 6 months to have another look.

I hit lucky as the family I joined had a handful of people that went that extra mile and spent hours answering my questions on c chat and as I got more competent I started to enjoy the game more and more.

From my recent experiences I've been doing a little experiment joining different families and playing 'the noob'. Obviously I'm speaking generically now but from what I've found if a new player joins an old players crew they tend to get very little help and c chat is almost non existent as most of the old players that know each other just chat in their WA groups etc. Damn I sat in a crew that is still going now for over 2 weeks without a single word being said in c chat!

On a positive note I found joining a crew with either a first time CL (like now) and my previous family is really refreshing as they put the time into supposed new players and their C chat is buzzing.

I'm going to keep this short as otherwise I could waffle on for hours. The reason I'm writing this post is because like 99% of you I care about MR and want it to be around for many years to come. One thing in particular has been nagging at me from other threads so I thought I would share it here.

My main concern is the level of retentions. Izzy spends a lot of $$ to bring new blood to this thing of ours so instead of nit-picking over whether the game is dead or not just look at the figures from April 14  - 13,764 accounts = 480 active in 24hrs to Aug 17  -  41,449 = 474 active in 24hrs.

Now the number of accounts has tripled yet active members has stayed stagnant or is in decline.

Do I like the way the current regime is running things? No, but I don't believe a reset is fair to all the hard work, time and effort they have put into getting to where they are. 

I find the current tactic of killing anyone (even their own family members) who are over a certain age abhorrent and is surely the final nail in the coffin.

Whatever solution Izzy comes to is never going to please everyone but just remember without one we won't have a game to play at all. Something has to give. Let's hope it's for the betterment of the community.

Peace and Love

I've said this before, but I think a 'reset' would be beneficial to the game with declared winners. 

I don't think you need to have a definitive time that once elapsed restarts the game no matter, but if someone is the top family or player for three months they should be declared the 'winner'. Then a month later, the game restarts. Games or 'rounds' would inevitably last a lot longer than three months because families would want to win and not merely be a part of somebody else winning - as is the case now. 

In my opinion, it would make the game a lot less peaceful in terms of shootings, and therefore always have a heightened sense of going on as it were. 

Of course, after each reset returning players could unite, but there's nothing stopping that now. 

Im happy someone brought this up, I had an idea a couple of months back that i told Squishy about. I didn't think of anything related to the income of what the "other game" would bring up or anything, I just said what i had in mind. 

My idea was to make like a "fun" Mafia Returns game in which everything was easy to obtain. A MR in which you could train your gun like any other player because you would start with X quantity of credits in your starting character, +1 kills would give a +# of stat. Bodyguards would be more cheaper and will protect more.. Lower the Godfather days to #. Just because i dont think no one will live long enough, Imagine the wars and the ability to create a good Roleplaying ambient. Maybe it would be more harder? Maybe more easier? I gave you some ideas, tell me what you think about it. One thing is for sure, Fun will never end lol

I don't see anybody 'shitting on ideas' here. By throwing out scenarios where it can go wrong, we're both getting more information and helping Squishy tighten the seams. If we can figure out problems, genuine issues, then Squishy can pre-emptively plan for them, saving him time, effort, and possibly money down the road. If people fawned on you whenever you presented an idea, regardless of the merits/downsides to the idea, then you will never get that idea in it's best possible form.

To be honest, I don't think even you know what you are on about half the time. I will give you a firm 67% in one direction, I just don't know which way.

Everything that I have said or done in my time here as Insidious has been for one very specific reason. As pointed out right near the top of my very first Orenda post.

we represent the ideals of Orenda, that everyone, however small, has the ability to change our world.

Whether I'm openly standing up for myself, shaming others or just showing downright disrespect, encouraging and helping others to take action in a similar manner/rogue activities or just having general conversations. Everything has been to prove that people don't need to fear or shy away from anyone, never mind those who seek to deceive and manipulate others for their own advances.

I'd take it a step further. Rollback all the changes that have been made so far and leave this regime on this server to play the way they've been playing. Create a second server with all of the proposed changes. Let people pick which server they want to play on (they can't play on both). Give it six months and see what happens. 

If nothing is wrong with the game the way it is, the players just need to "stop being weak" and "man up" and "handle it themselves" then server one will thrive and prove everyone wrong. If the changes are necessary for the game to succeed and make a better playing environment, then server two will thrive and server one will eventually die off, making it a one server game again.  

As someone else said in this thread, let the players decide. 

Sorry if i seem a little negative with these questions, but will a second server really change anything if in time as the dust settles we are in the same situation with a regime who have team worked together or used their credit reserves do exactly the same on the next server with if some sort of degredation comes in as mentioned here https://mafiareturns.com/comm/thread/1016992#295497 will we see a mass of paranoia and just more death to protect people due to their degredation/aging as the successors and their successors are set up in line?

Will this just create more of a headache, and less work done that is planned?