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BG New Idea. Started by: Armani on Aug 06, '10 15:02

Over the past few wars there has been I've been taken great notice to the BG systum. On what people can shoot at. If they think there gun is good enough to hit IWP or OWP. I seem it is rather unfair that people should know how many BG's you have. As the new systum has been worked out on what ever has on the X number of BG's.

So here is what i have been thinking. Remove the WP, VWP, EWP, IWP.

Everyone can buy 1 BG. And only shows up as Protected on there account profile. Each time you buy another BG the HP on your current BG will encrease to another 100HP Which will mean you have 2 BG's but will only show as 1.

The prices will stay the same per each rank the retrainning of BG's will stay the same So If you had 200HP it will still be 24k to trian it back to full health after 5 days and will still drop at the same level as normal.

Also here is the best part i think. This will undetermin the amount of BG's someone has. It will also be an advantage during a war. If you have a good gun you can hit more HP on that BG So lets say Took a shot at the BG and took 350HP away from the BG that means you just killed 3 and a half BG's in a single shot.

Will also be an advantage for a sleeping CL while he is getting BG'd wacked as it will not show the protection go down in there profile page.

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Dislike. First off, if you're more protected than someone, you're going to have more BG's visible in real life. I'm not going to hire one BG and then decide to give him steroids to increase his effectiveness, that would be ludicrous. Also that would take out BG Kills in shot reports, as well as helping us determine how good our gun is. While I do agree it would allow over-night wars to go smoother, it would also pose a risk in that members who know they're on stealth might try and take pot shots at other people during peace-time.

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Unrealistic... you can have a rough idea when looking at someone if they are protected or not.

If I look at you and see about a dozen BGs then i know you are protected. If I look and can't see you for men in black suits then I know you are EWP or IWP. Its totally unrealistic to assume that someone would not have a rough idea of how well protected someone is.

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It would not take out BG wacks in Shot reports. As i talked to izzy before. If you killed 100+HP you'll get a Success Message.

If you kill X amount of HP in 100Hp You'll get a Hit. And for a total fail you still get the fail message.

Also be the same for BG protecting when someone shoots. If you had 300HP and someone shot at your BG and hit 80hp of it then 20HP would be protected. 200 would be available to shoot at.

If you have a big gun and you had 600HP and you killed 350HP the other 50HP would be protected as its like a Success Success Success Hit. And the other 200 would be available to shoot.

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That does make more sense, making me slightly less inclined to disagree so much, however it is still un-realistic. It would be interesting to see this implemented, and I wouldn't be completely opposed, however due to the aspects of realism, I don't think you'll find much support in this.

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Unrealistic?!!?! Now thats one thing I won't call it. What is unrealistic is things like..

Insanely Well Protected.

You don't see a Godfather in the mafia walking about the streets with 101+ people following him (His BG's). Now thats unrealistic.

This will take away that idea. Also give a much more interesting side to war. Due to people not knowing the power of ones BG. I mean simple way to think of it..

The more health he has... the closer he is to becoming an Iota kind of BG. (At least that's how I'd think of it)

There are many ups and down to the feature and I wouldn't mind seeing what happens with it. This is a big code so would be really interesting to see.

As for saying about looking at someone and noticing if they have BG's or not. Thats fine and realistic, but you never see someone running about with 101 of them either.

Like I say it'd be interesting to see how things could go about it. It would need some real thought to it and I would gladly give any feedback if needed.

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This is a very interesting Idea... I would be intrigued to see how it would play out... someone having a cannon on their arm and being able to take out more then one BG an hour is a nice equalizer to having to knock off 150 bgs before its even fathomable to get a shot on him/her.

I really like the tweak about having it count as perhaps success success success hit... still proing some of the HP ( or in an Iota Bg case, fat ) so that its not a continuous hp "bar" is a really nice addition to this idea..

at the very least its a new fresh idea and a welcome sight to these eyes..

kudos

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Unrealistic?!!?! Now thats one thing I won't call it. What is unrealistic is things like..

Insanely Well Protected.

I'll give you one example, Adolf Hitler. Whilst not a mafioso, the man was similar in stature to one. The Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler (LSSAH) had 117 members in 1925 who went everywhere with Hitler, by 1940 there where 6500 of them.

All he is arguing for is a cosmetic change, which ultimatel;y will only have the effect of concealing how protected some one is. That is the bit that is unrealisttic. If my BG is 100 times better than yours, the guy would be famous and recognisable by mobsters as a super bodyguard, so you would have to change the BG system from WP, VWP, EWP, IWP to something sounding different but the same. Good BG, Amazing BG, Super BG, Indestructable BG.

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But changeing the words around on BG's is just defeating my purpose of making this idea. Fuck hitler he only had one ball end of.

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I was always able to see Iota through his BG's. Word was that they never had a chance to eat. (I think it was due to all the cheeseburger runs.)

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That's my Point Armani, your idea is completely unrealistic in a real world sense. Just as unrealistic as having 400 BGs in the first place. The problem needs resolved completely, and that requires a restart, half assed measures will not work.

As for Hitler having one ball, that is a complete fallacy. It is simply propaganda put forward by the allies to help undermine the image of Hitler as a great leader and his idea of a super race. His medical records from the 1st world war and his stint in german prison make no reference to him having one testical, neither do his own personal doctors records. If you are going to shoot down my argument, at least do it with facts and not BS.

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I agree with JudgeDeath on this one. Even to use a real life mobster such as Accardo, Capone or Luciano, the current system still makes much more sense. The top brass usually went around with anywhere from 5-10 people with them at any given time - but then when you factor in his drivers, the people who would arrive to his destination first to case the joint out, the people who would wait outside said joint whilst he was inside; you pretty quickly compile a pretty exentsive list of people in a top mobster's employ whose sole duty is to protect their principle.

This is why I'd like to see the change made that only X number of your bg give you an active defence boost at any time, bt that's a topic for another day.

Having 1 bg with massive health doesn't make any sense for a start. Let's say this one bg is equivalent to the current IWP tier:

Boss: Hey, did you shoot that guy's bodyguard yet?
Enforcer: Nah, my boys have put 90 bullets in the guy but he's still alive unfortunately.

As opposed to

Boss; Did you get rid of this guy's protection yet?
Enforcer: Well he's got a pretty extensive network there on the streets, but we've rubbed about 90% of them now.

To be honest, I just don't see any reason this should, or needs to be changed.

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@ Diablos

Unrealistic?!!?! Now thats one thing I won't call it.

well...

Also here is the best part i think. This will undetermin the amount of BG's someone has. It will also be an advantage during a war. If you have a good gun you can hit more HP on that BG So lets say Took a shot at the BG and took 350HP away from the BG that means you just killed 3 and a half BG's in a single shot.

let's say by 100000000 to 1 chance you managed to shot 2 BGs with a single shot (unlikely)

what about hitting 3 BGs and half in a single shot?

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Haven't you heard the single bullet theory of the JFK assassination Belial?

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