If you've lived under a rock the last few weeks you might not know why I decided to come to the streets today and give a specific speech about bloodline hunting. Those who were paying attention know it's a response to godfather Roman's thread.

Bloodline hunting, on it's own is a negative word, rarely every used in a positive sentence. Yet I see people bloodline hunting in a positive way all the time. Ancestors that left a good impression behind get the bodyguards easily, direct access to IA lists, high crew positions etc etc. All these perks that Joe Nobody can only dream about.

As a matter of fact, those people mentioned in godfather Roman's thread have been positively bloodhunted, one by one. They've all enjoyed the VIP treatment at some point. How can one be surprised that when you actually decide to fuck up you're not being "hunted" for it for a while?

I personally think it makes absolute sense, you do good your son get's rewarded, you fuck up your sons will be watched very fucking closely to make sure they're not whoppers like you were. In the mafia families are important, you represent your family and your bloodline no?

So when people like BrustyNoNuts come to the street on their civilian, you can't kill me, rampage I shake my head, thinking your ancestors were given goodies for the blood line they were from, so now it's in a negative way all out of a sudden it's no longer acceptable? El-Oh-El.

So yeah, I'm for bloodline hunting, all the freaking way. Positive and negative. Maybe it would contribute towards more productive behavior in the long run if your family name would be held responsible for their ancestors actions. Naturally, until you've proven different. By bloodline hunting I do not mean shoot on sight, I mean watch closely and no perks for a while!

But I'm curious, to me this thing is pretty clear yet I know in the past and probably currently people are strongly against bloodline hunting, again never heard someone complain about the positive version, why?

I heard those words and the first thing I thought were 'Here we go again'. Refreshing surprise to be honest.

You are 100% correct. Bloodlines are hunted to re-join families because people know they are good at what they do. They are valued commodities within a family and ones that you really do need. Not that I need them. For I am Gene Hunt. But everyone else..

As for negative bloodline hunting. Not into it myself. Never have been. I truly do believe the sins of your father die with him. You are a new wo/man and have a new outlook on life. If they have proven themselves to me then I would not hesitate promoting them into my inner circle. They have to do the things everyone else has done. Son of my best friend or son of a rogue. The criteria is the same.

So to answer your question. Why is no-one against good bloodline hunting? The age old answer. Power. For those that you recruit from blood of the old country or those that have the knowledge of their fathers passed onto them will be better than someone fresh off the boat. You hand them money, you give them a BG and they get access to things they shouldn't really have yet because you know they will use them correctly and become what you need them to be. When these people are built up by your own hand then they give you more power than someone green. And power is what everyone truly craves.

Sometimes bloodline hunting is the only way in one's family tree. Perfcet example: Clipper. Didn't turn out to be too bad in the end.

In general though, i will never agree to bloodline hunting, it should not be done. The person's next of kin should not be held responsible for their mothers/fathers mistakes. Unless of course that person's genes are just fuckwits who leave us with no other choice. People can only be given so many chances, if they fuck that up then they must expect to have a black mark against their family name.

That is all, Cruel out.

Bloodline hunting is usually only talked about-in the bad sense on whiny fucks who screw up when they had it made there spoiled and complain they don't get the VIP treatment and getting shot for being disrespectful thinking because there bloodlines might have been gf or what not but i don't believe in spoiling i say let them work up again and prove there bloodline still deserves good treatment

This is a good point.  As much as I hate to admit it, as much as my gut disagrees with the idea, I do support both positive and negative bloodlining, when we put it in this light.  Simply because, for better or for worse, a gangster's performance can predict the performance of his or her descendants.

I'd have to disagree with you on one point, however, Mr. Waffle.  And that is when you said that you never hear complaints about the "positive" type of bloodlining.  I hear about it quite frequently.  I can't count the number of street discussions held over this topic.  The whole "low ranked hands" converstion is about as stale as Dayman's breath.  I understand that it's frustrating, as well, but I've come to agree, with the most part, with this technique.  And the reason is the same as above.  A gangsters's performance can (not necessarily does)  predict the performance of his or her descendants.

In my family bloodline forefathers, have done some great things, and some bad mistakes.

but good or bad my bloodline has learned from what they have done in both areas of this life.

In all due respects to not disrespect anyone, I must say bloodline killing is wrong, and it's not justified.

When a member of our world is killed for a mistake, his sin should be forgiven in his death, but if his son makes the same mistake then his son should suffer the same fate.

We are about Honor and respect, and the last time I've heard killing innocent isn't a honorable thing what so ever.

People seem to think the bloodlines they come from should be considered upon entering a crew, up until the point that it is no longer advantageous for them to come from said bloodline. Then they suddenly argue the point that each generation shouldn't be treated or looked upon the same as their mothers or fathers because they are 'different people'. Funny, they seem to have no problem capitalizing on their bloodline's rep upon entering a crew when it comes to vying for a position in a crew's upper-structure, requestng funds for bodyguards, etc., as SyrupWaffle has pointed out above. It is a lack of personal responsibility and accountability. I'm not even neccesarily referring to the people who have recently come out vocally suggesting they are victims of bloodline-hunting, but everybody who as Craig put it in Godfather Roman's speech, can't differentiate between their own new Mafioso identities and their coffeeshop personas.

Thanks Gene, Cruel and CBM for sharing your opinions, I appriciate it.
I can totally understand your opinion on the matter, someones sins should indeed go with one in the grave.
Though often bloodline hunting doesn't start after someone pickpocketed someone and that person got extremely pissed off.
From my own experience, bloodline hunting starts when someone fucks up so bad there's a good chance their son can form danger to me or my family.
I've once bloodline hunted a person for 6 months and by that I don't mean kill him on sight, just keep an extreme close watch on him, mind you this person kept trying to sneak back in my family at the time and mess things up.
A lot depends on the situation I guess.

Though mind you, I'm happy in general not everybody goes on a bloodline hunting spree, for exactly the reasons above.
Some bloodlines are poisonous for a few generations untill they pick up, Clipper indeed being the perfect example.
Chances should still be given and fortunately are given.

And yeah, go the positive bloodline hunting, if only for crappy gun malfunctions and what not.
I'm a big suporter of this kind of hunting and think it contributes to the world we live in right now.

Ah yeah Sly, you're quite right that there are indeed complaints about the lower ranked sometimes overshadowing people with a higher rank but I always looked at that as to it was more a complaint from a RolePlay point of view. E.g. How can a Gangster be IWP?! wtf, makes no sense. That kinda complaints. Different angle most of the time.

Allow me to be perfectly honest. I am against bloodlining full stop. Now this make me sound an arse, it may make me sound whiney. That's your opinion, your entitled to it. In the same way that everyody is entitled to a chance.

Positive Bloodlining: Well, so called positive bloodlining. Allowing the Sons and Daughters of those who were once great, to be bought hundreds of bodyguards and given powerful positions. What does this do? It stalesour environment. Recently, we have seen the relatives of some of the greatest Godfathers and Godmothers, whom ever lived, rise to the top of our world once more. Now, i don't doubt nor disagree that these are great leaders, intelligent people and most of all deserving. But how did this happen? Through "Positive" bloodlining. This for some people has created the effect of staleness within La Cosa Nostra. I remember a time when to rise to the top of this thing of ours, you had to prove yourself to your leader and those around you. Now what does it require? Your mother or father to be friends with the leader? Simply, things are going stale.

Negative Bloodlining: A practise I truly despise. Everybody makes mistakes no matter how godlike they think they are or seem to be. At the end of the day we're all human. (with the exception of JudgeDeath of course.) So, you make a mistake, you're shot for it. Damn right! I totally agree with this, however for a crewleader or Godfather to continue to punish their child for this mistake is simply absurd. When a mobster dies, his mistake should die with him. It should not, in my opinion be carried onto his son/daughter.

So in conclusion, bloodlining overall is bollocks. Whether it be for "Good" or evil. It should not be done as it leads to staleness amongst other things.


Just my two cents.

I think that those rather extreme examples, Neville.  As the descendent of a crew leader, one with "connections," I find myself with certain advantages, but none that tip the scale overwhelmingly in my favor. 

I would argue that it takes a whole lot more than an army of bodyguards to make a godfather.  Connections help, and of course luck can be a part of it, but no one (in general) is going to reach those heights without a good amount of work.  I think it just so happens that the sons and daughters of fallen leaders are the ones who put in that work, so they are the ones who find themselves in positions of power.

Maybe I'm naiive.

Personally im a believer in judging a character on merit not on who his or her ancestors were, hunting friends down and having them work for you is great and yeah you would look after them a little thats just human nature, But they should sure as hell have to work for any position granted to them just like everybody else. Everyone should have the chance to start a fresh if they have made mistakes they died and hopefully learned from them, if someones mother or father screwed you over then you choose whether or not you ever want to associate with that bloodline if you dont like them fine have no dealings with them, if they earn a position of trust somewhere fair play to them they earnt it and perhaps learnt from past mistakes. The point im making is everyone should be treated equal once they step off that boat and into our world.

Sly, whilst these maybe "Extreme examples" they are ones we have seen exhibited numerous times in recent weeks. Whilst they may not be regular occurences as such, they are ones that are affecting this world at this very moment. In the past 2-3 months we have witnessed the ancestors of greats like ThomasRourke, Quirinus, Tallien and Aurora return to their 'thrones' at the top of this world. now, by no means am i saying they didn't work for it. I'm damn sure they have and they are great leaders. No doubt about that, they are some of the best this world has seen.

However, my point still stands, this has led to a sense of stagnancy and has turned la Cosa Nostra into somewhat a revolving door.

Understood, Neville.  And I appreciate your clarification. 

With that in mind, we should all make an effort to support the talents of lesser-known family lines.

I'll toast to that, whilst the Sons and Daughters of these legends may work hard and deserve it. It's time we invested in the young bloods and gave them a chance. This is the direction in which we need to take this thing of ours.

Negative Bloodlining: A practise I truly despise. Everybody makes mistakes no matter how godlike they think they are or seem to be. At the end of the day we're all human. (with the exception of JudgeDeath of course.) So, you make a mistake, you're shot for it. Damn right! I totally agree with this, however for a crewleader or Godfather to continue to punish their child for this mistake is simply absurd. When a mobster dies, his mistake should die with him. It should not, in my opinion be carried onto his son/daughter.

I agree with most of your argument there, Neville. Someone messes up and gets shot, the son or daughter or whatever other relative happens to follow in those footsteps shouldn't also be held accountable. New life, new blood, new personality is what I try to believe in everyone. However, there comes a point where someone does something to you or your crew over and over again, relative after relative. In those instances I think it would be safe to say that most every Street Boss and Godfather would be willing to enforce rules to make it so that specific bloodline has a difficult time getting around in this world for a period of time. If I were ever a leader I know I wouldn't put up with anyone acting like that toward my crew and be able to get away with it before I made all their family members lives hard.

Of course, if it becomnes a repetetive threat or annoyance then the said bloodline should be punished and hunted.

After all, nobody wants a plotting, blood thirsty liability in their organisation. These things are bad for business. But being bloodlined for one mistake is sheer stupidity.

Positive Bloodlining: Well, so called positive bloodlining. Allowing the Sons and Daughters of those who were once great, to be bought hundreds of bodyguards and given powerful positions. What does this do? It stalesour environment. Recently, we have seen the relatives of some of the greatest Godfathers and Godmothers, whom ever lived, rise to the top of our world once more. Now, i don't doubt nor disagree that these are great leaders, intelligent people and most of all deserving. But how did this happen? Through "Positive" bloodlining. This for some people has created the effect of staleness within La Cosa Nostra. I remember a time when to rise to the top of this thing of ours, you had to prove yourself to your leader and those around you. Now what does it require? Your mother or father to be friends with the leader? Simply, things are going stale.

 I couldn't have said it better myself Neville.  This is a conversation I've had several times in these past months.  I have to say I agree with you & I do hope that some of the newer bloodlines on these shores are given a chance to prove themselves as worthy partners/advesaries of this Thing of Ours. 

I think recent history has shown several newer and lesser established bloodlines being given leadership opportunities. Some took the ball and ran with it, some dropped the ball completely, and some were mowed down before they were given a chance to show This Thing of Ours what they were (or were not) capable of achieving. But opportunities were given nonetheless.

Sure some bloodlines are given repeat opportunities. One would have a difficult time arguing a reason why they should not. But any suggestion that there are not opportunities for other bloodlines to shine would be inaccurate.

I'm going to have to agree with his Rockness on the other bloodlines having opportunities, at least in recent memory. I would be the living proof, if more of an exception than a rule. The mowing down Rockness mentions certainly ended more than a few new lines possible legacies, and it would be a shame to never see them in bold again. So I understand and I agree with bloodline hunting on the positive side of things.

As for the negative side of things. Much like Mr. Hunt, I like to think the sins of the father die with him. However recent events have shown that plans by a coordinated, multi generational, dispersed crime family can open itself up to the same type of retaliation. Neither of which  is in the spirit of this thing of ours. It is unfortunate for all of us that both were considered necessary. That said, there is a difference between screwing up and downright betrayal. In one case you might get another chance with my line, in the other, fuggit about it.