While walking in the park Matteo stumbled on one of the rock beneath it is a newspaper.

“A Rogue of Mafia Died with his 7 Man and 8 Bodyguards” it’s the headline on the newspaper.

Matteo look at the skies and wonder “A Rogue? On Mafia? Does it really happens on the society? I wonder is it really rogue thing or is it just a business. If a city lords attack one city they say it is just a plain business, is it not Rogue? If a member of the family attacks the head of a family, can he also call it a plain business? Or it is what they say ROGUE? Rogue, Revolution, City Wars, Family Wars or anything that happen to our society dealing with lives of peoples only means one thing A MAFIA WAR, even they are small or big. I think there is no such thing as rogue on MAFIA or on COSA NOSTRA. Coz if we call it rogue everyone of us is rogue, why? I don’t like him I will be training just to kill him, how about you do you like him? And how about him? Oh you don’t like him and your training just to kill him. Hey hey what do you think does the GodFather of that city is training his member to attack and kill the GodFather of the other city? Oh hey look at that civilian do you think he got what it takes to be a new GodFather in time; I wonder what his plan is to go to the top and assassinate the former GodFather of that city.

May I asked all of you is there really a rogue or underground society? I think there is none of what else are thinking, if they are gathering it is only because they have same idea, same plan, same dreams, and they are just doing PURE BUSINESS to accomplished such task or dreams. I never heard any rogue at Mafia History only plain MAFIA WARS.

After thinking Matteo walks and read the newspaper, so he could have a knowledge of what had happen to the massacre of what they call THE ROGUE OF MAFIA.

The difference is that a family head has the best interest of all of his or her family. A rogue has only their personal interests.

Plain and simple.

Respect. GrapeJelly

Matteo heard what GrapeJelly has told everyone, and try to ask one more.

"oh i see now, well if this rogue won, if only he succeed, then he will have a family on his own too am I right, then his interest is not only for himself now but also his interest will also go with his new form family, as i can see all of us has our own personal interest, only other's want it quick and others want it the long way, either way  both of them are true and correct? and everybody has a free way to do it on their own. I pressume, each and everyone of us has our own personal interest and dreams. How will you persue yours?"

"oh i see now, well if this rogue won, if only he succeed, then he will have a family on his own too am I right"

Well I don't think that Rogue will ever able to have a family of his own and most probably he will end up in the Obits. As a single or even 3 or 4 rogues together can't take over the whole world. So what they will end with is killing 1 or 2 high ranked players at most ending in the pool of blood.

So instead of turning out to be rogue enjoy this golden era and prosper and become one so that your bloodline should be proud of, and not someone that they should spit.

After hearing what Mateo has said Gregorio shares whats on his mind...


There is an underground society and that society is us...the Cosa Nostra.We are what those white collared shirts call the cancer of the society.We do business that they deem illegal but hey..we're earning dough.So...is there a difference between us and what our colleagues call rouge?I say there is.We try to maintain what is already established while they try to establish something that they wish to maintain.

MatteoMessinaDenaro, I agree that the rogues who get together are conducting business. Pure and simple. But to say they are the same as your every day Mobster, who follows rules and stays loyal? That is an insult. A Rogue is nothing more than someone who betrayed their family for their own interests and now deserve to die. In the strictest sense of the word, a rogue is some one who sets up without any type of auth. Now how is that the same as any mobster who stays loyal and puts their FAMILY ahead of themselves?

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       Listening to both sides, Foxy begins to contemplate the best way to respond. Listeners are going to have to be patient because Foxy is building up some serious ideas that she wants to be understood and wants to make sure it is comprehendible in the first place. This requires examples and evidence; this may make people think this is in the wrong topic but on the contrary it’s about the roots and one can’t go far if they don’t have a solid foundation.

      Taking a deep breath before starting, Labels have been a dominate symbol in the world; everyone slabs a name tag on anything and everything so an individual can identify an object/subject for what it is or is not. Why do human beings do this? Simple…they are not sure what the complete answer is. People are afraid of the unknown but yet we have to live in it all day everyday because we don’t live in the past but in the future (present time ends up being both just depending and not something need to be discussed to get the point across.) There is no grantee that you will have the same job, have the same friends, or even waking up the next morning…there is always a question left in the air. Yes you can plan but it only leads you so far, the world of individuals can and will manipulate any event that takes place.

Sample of what is being presented: Chain Reaction or Domino Effect

     Sally, a women that is 37, has both a son and a daughter but no husband (let’s just say he died) goes to drop off her children at school where she pumps into other moms. There is a new mom in town and the others are explaining what their husband does, bragging of course (they left out the whole part of Sally’s being dead) so when the new comer asked about what Sally’s husband does for a living, this upsets her. She goes home balling out crying and later on when the kids get home they notice something is upsetting their mother but yet nothing they do can fix it so they start to feel bad. Next day when they go to school they are doom and gloom; their friends begin to question what is wrong and find they cannot help, they become sad as well. When they come home all the parents of the friends notice how sad they are and don’t know why they are upset; once they go to work the next day they are worried about their children and are not focused so they start doing a poor job at work. Their boss yells at them and they become antsy and anger starts to build up, they go for lunch and blow off steam to the next person they run into, that person goes home... look, this scenario can go on and on; erupt in so many different ways but the point is made.

Now taking this into affect…why do people let others influence them? What people say (or not say) can truly upset a person, actions that are taken shape peoples worlds whether they like to think they have an imprint on someone else or not, they do. There are individuals that choose to care what happens to others by their choices and others simply do not give a hoot; of course there is both a positive and a negative to either option but whichever one is chosen identifies that person. Any action that is committed will lead up to that individual, everyone has their problems but does that make it okay to ruin other peoples’ lives so they feel better?  If everyone did that could you imagine what an even worse of world we would be living in? So many people want unity, to have a faction, because well we all do want to do business and best way to achieve is to work with others, hear new takes, “I think there is none of what else are thinking, if they are gathering it is only because they have same idea, same plan, same dreams, and they are just doing PURE BUSINESS to accomplished such task or dreams. I never heard any rogue at Mafia History only plain MAFIA WARS.” Has there ever been the thought of maybe there is no mafia history because some people got a bit judgy and didn’t want to start asking questions of why something was done, so they start making their own ideas and own interpretations (who knows maybe it was completely different then what the real reason was because no one simply asked or tried to take in consideration of an opposing side.) Conclusions were made and factions started where individuals began to gather together to discuss “so and so said this by this someone and so forth…maybe there was just misunderstanding or maybe not but do people ask ? Does anyone try to find out the real cause of why something happens or are some just trigger happy and want an excuse ? If you do business you have to learn one thing to be successful at it, there are two type of leaders (generally) 1) let’s say is a Stalin, a ruthless leader who took charge by putting fear into is helpers, he would kill them if there was any contradiction, who yes was successful in the terms of running his own country but was like Hitler and Mussolini but even worse; 2) let’s say is a Ford who decided to do something a bit different and paid his employees with a higher minimum wage then others, why did he do this? Push comes to shove turns out by just paying people more than the average got individuals to work harder, the employees felt lucky to work for such a man and did the best they could so they wouldn’t lose their job. The way Stalin took power was by thinking only about himself and did nothing for his people but place fear in their hearts but then we have Ford who thought about himself of course but also about his employees, so both could win. Which method sounds a bit more affective? Maybe it makes no sense to be cruel to some but it does to others; people are individuals because each mind is different, each have various takes on any type of topic because not one person has experience the exact same thing with the exact same people (sure there are similar cases but that’s for one or two events not the whole life) to make the mind think the same way and have same interpretation. 

So yes you are correct on terms of:

“everybody has a free way to do it on their own. I pressume, each and everyone of us has our own personal interest and dreams.”

Then there is this quote that makes me quite pleased to hear:

“as i can see all of us has our own personal interest, only other's want it quick and others want it the long way, either way  both of them are true and correct?”

       Yes in many ways you are correct that both ways are right; however, what I find a bit funny, you brought up about one take on what Rogue means…you were practically saying it is the wrong definition of what others believe…so how does such an individual expect someone on the opposing side say you are correct in defining such a term.  The way it is presented makes it sound like you want the opposing side to agree with you but you won’t reciprocate the same gesture…a bit selfish aren’t we but hey what you also said, “then his interest is not only for himself now but also his interest will also go with his new form family, as i can see all of us has our own personal interest” is true. We are all selfish because no matter how you slice it anything and everything you do has a reason even if you are going out of your way to being nice to someone you are pleasing yourself, by feeling good for being so kind. Just as well as the other side of being mean, someone gets off on the persons reaction or feels better about themselves; whatever the case, by just brushing your teeth or designing a building there is a reason behind it, a selfish reason. With that said, there is no reason why you cannot go beyond yourself and include others in “the best interest,” for that matter why do we have to define what a rogue means? It only represents an idea, an idea that has several means, just depending on your take.

      What I said in the beginning, “Why do human beings do this? Simple…they are not sure what the complete answer is,” I was referring to how most individuals do not look at both sides of an argument….there is always going to be root causes to anything and innumerable influences…so why put a name? Does it honestly matter? That’s up for you to decide.

       Foxy realizes how long this is…how she can babble, it is in the middle of the night, someone can’t sleep from a nightmare and thought what they hay, I’ll try making sense but no promises. She begins to wonder if she should even post such nonsense but why not? See what other people think…if they think she is a wack job then that’s fine she will just go back to her loony bin but at least she didn’t write this all for nothing. Maybe someone will understand. Never know if a person doesn’t try…starts to fell more relaxed from writing and is ready to go to bed finally.

Matteo heard every single explanation of everybody's belief. and he is happy that everybody has different thoughts about it.

"Am glad that all of you come out here and share what they thought on what does really rogue means to us."

and to miss Foxy about the "however, what I find a bit funny, you brought up about one take on what Rogue means…you were practically saying it is the wrong definition of what others believe…so how does such an individual expect someone on the opposing side say you are correct in defining such a term.  The way it is presented makes it sound like you want the opposing side to agree with you but you won’t reciprocate the same gesture…"

I would just like us to have some thoughts of what's the real definition of rogue to our society, a debate maybe or something, we all know that everybody has different opinion on what's happening in our society.

and due respect to all am not on the side of rogue thing all i want is a peaceful place where i could call home.

This is the mafia aka organized crime.. The key word here being "organized"..

"I don’t like him I will be training just to kill him, how about you do you like him? And how about him? Oh you don’t like him and your training just to kill him."

This is not organized.. This is simple chaos.. So yeah, in my opinion, there is a huge difference..

This is an interesting point, and could be argued a couple ways.

Going 'rogue' is not really a Mafia term, rather a term coined by the mobsters in our particular society (MafiaReturns)

In the mythical Mafia realm known as IRL, such treachery is not uncommon and is not referred to as 'going rogue' (OOC example - The John Gotti rise to power after the Paul Castellano hit). It is simply a power move. I'm not suggesting it was neccesarily smiled upon in that world either, but the gathering and schemeing of Mafioso in an attempt to overthrow the existing power structure internally would not neccesarily draw the ire of Mafia factions across the country to the extent that they hunt these coup groups with the urgency and wrath in which rogues are hunted here.

Be that as it may, that practice has been deemed unacceptable by the mobsters that make up our society, and that is the way it is. In the time that my bloodline has been a part of this world, none of these 'rogue' factions have seen any successes and have been disposed of quickly, which would make me question what the point of such a manuever would be, as there is a high cost associated with establishing your own HQ along with the seemingly certainty of death to all those involved before anything of value is accomplished.

So I see where you are coming from Matteo, but regardless, the mobsters of our world have collectively outlawed this practice. Is it completely true to the Mafia of 'The IRL universe'? Not really, but either is pickpocketing laws dictating prior consent. It's simply the politics of the World we live in.

There's certainly nothing to stop people from trying, and I've even heard tales of people having success from such manuevers. But there are obvious consequences, as is evident from recent attempts. You'll most likely always be taken down, you won't be recognized by the other Families, and the damage to your bloodline's reputation could be detrimental to future generations.

That's about as neutral and non-biased as I can express my views on it.

Rogue:An unauthorized crew set up to take down a selected leader/city/person, a person/people with no respect or care for anyone else other then themselves.

Family:An authorized family who's leader has been rewarded for all their hard work, loyalty and respect for their leader/Godfather and has the ability to know right from wrong and a legit family of the organized crime world.

See, a big difference.

What I personally believe it is, is that people get sick of the status quo. The guy with the most guns win. thats how the world works. So if for what ever reason one day you decide to wack someone without auth, then thats on you. at the end of the day people realize theyre gonna be swimming with the fishes most likely, but just dont care. Its been mentioned, people do it because they're bored, angry, unhappy, feeling less than, or simply just because they can. How serious some people take this thing of ours and the attitude they dish out, its funny to see some people wacked. i know ive laughed at time from checking the obits. I believe it keeps everyone respectful for the most part. I know if i were to stand in the street and say Don X is a explictive, then id be wacked. and if someone insults me i have the option of waiting a couple of weeks and wacking them off, as does everyone else. people tend to forget the fact, that we all have guns. We dont need motives to bust some shots off, just the proper situation.

long story short respect

It can just be hard defining a meaning that will fully allow both sides to have peace with...nothing is black and white, so I was trying to say there isn't exactly a right or wrong way to do something (it depends on how a person interprets) but there are ways that can be a bit more pleasant, organized, and successful (at least in my opinion.) I agree with a lot of points that are made by others and respect their own belief; I try then to take in consideration of the opposing side. I had thought when you started this thread and when I responded originally, you were discussing in your opinion rather than do the whole, 'I’m trying to be inside someone else shoe and think where they are coming from.' If this is the cause, then I most definitely applaud you because it was a good tactic to get people to say what they truly believe on the matter and makes for a great discussion.

Matteo smile to all.

"Thank you so much for participating with this subject of discussion, and thats right Miss Foxy it is a simple tactics to make others come out into the street and tell what are their thoughts on one subject to be discuss, it is also like a newspaper only we ourselves become the newspaper. we will not get any opinion, thoughts and others if we will not go into ones shoes and take his spot to ask anyone what is their opinion. anyway lets give this a try. We all say that Rogue is not organize but we can see them train organizing themselves at one point to accomplish one goal althought there is also treachery on their side, that will come out and tell the world that there is another society building and will try to cause chaos on the world. that is also one thing that happen to our own family and city am i right? and we say that Rogue has no respect, actually there is a Respect between the organizer and their people, they will not be in same agenda if they dont respect each and everyones opinion, they are also a family trying to gain the objective everybody wants. for example he dont like the city rules and that guy dont like the city rules too, they will look for someone that think the way they do, they will talk and dream of something they didn't realize that, that dream will cause them to make an oranization rather than the organization we having right now, and try to fullfill that dreams. As you can see this Rogues we telling now and then are dreamers, organizers and leaders as well. they were trying to change something but what? do we happen to ask one of them what are the changes they want that they think it is good for the society and all of us, I know that others only want to gain self power but how about the others? as I can see we all dont know what really on ones mind if we dont ask."

Matteo Smile again to everyone and wait....

Have people forgotten to take breaths during their speeches?

As far as I know or heard from some people before, a Rogue is someone who breaks Omerta and goes against the will of their leader to start their own crew and start randomly shooting people, in this thing of ours "La Cosa Nostra" as we call it, you don't establish a private HQ to run a family till you get authed.

But when an Crew Leader "Rogues" Teobaldo laughs Sorry but that's very funny. How can an authed crew leader be a ROGUE? Unless the definition of Rogue changed. I do believe the crew leader that just started randomly shooting people or went after his godfather to take over their position or take revenge etc... Is just a normal leader warring someone, or went insane/bored of their lives and wanted to end it the stupid way, by randomly killing innocent people. I know there's no one innocent in this business but what I meant by innocent here is that they didn't have to die with those reasons of that particular crew leader warring/randomly shooting.