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| Assisting a rogue | Started by: Giuseppe on Jan 17, '08 12:05 |
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I've recently realized that you are not worth my, or anyone elses for that matter, time but as soon as you mentioned Gaara that just plain pissed me off...First of all, Oliver had nothing to do with the fall of Gaara. As Moltov stated, you know nothing about any of the situations going on...Gaara was killed because the pro shot went wrong; maybe you should learn some details about the situation, and the reason I know that you know nothing of that particular situation is because I am the only one that truly knows the details, due to it being me that took down Gaara...so go do your little thug thing and pretend to be an honorable mafioso and see if there is a family to accept you, instead of putting your head on a silver platter... kthxbai |
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| Reply by: SuperSao at Jan 17, '08 14:26 | |
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Hey Sao, who says I didn't know who shot Gaara? I know it was your father who shot him. A Capo hitter. Yeah, that's a pro shot gone wrong alright. *cough*bullshit*cough* And then you joined Oliver and were rewarded with bodyguards. Hmmmm.....this sounds familiar. Almost like last night when The Fallen went rogue, it's proven that high ranking members of Oliver's family knew about it before it happened, he shot at Cathy, and his son came back and was rewarded with bodyguards. deja vu |
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| Reply by: Giuseppe at Jan 17, '08 14:30 | |
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| Hmm i may not like the Way Oliver does some things. But He has 100 people in his Family. Now while i think he should take a harder stance on those family members, the simple fact is that he is gonna have the most rouges and the most dishonorably discharges as well as the most under 48 killings. Why is this you ask. Because he has the most fucking people. No boss can control everyone. If he controls 2/3 of his people thats still 33 people doing dumb shit. Thats more than most of the other family's have all together. So if everyone can only control say 2/3's of their people what does that tell you. He who has the higher amount of people will have the higher amount of dumbshits that wont listen. | |
| Reply by: Invictus at Jan 17, '08 14:37 | |
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*Inhibitor casually walks up to the soapbox recently vacated by Giuseppe* As I was on my way back from the nearest 7-1... erm... ATM I stumbled across this debate. In the beginning I was intrigued. The issue was surprisingly enough interesting and multifaceted(unfortunately, not something you often find our streets.) It seemed to me that this issue boiled down to *gasp*... a bit of a moral dilemma (certainly not something you expect to face on our streets): should your loyalty lie to your family or your friends? As I continued to sit back and listen to everyone's two cents and compose my own brilliant riposte I became disheartened; we had taken a turn to negative town. This promising conversation had devolved into yet another mudslinging match before my very eyes. Therefore, in an attempt to get back to the original question posed I offer my perspective on the original issue: Aiding a Rogue. My family has experienced much here on our streets. I have seen many rogues. I have even known a few. Because of my experiences I feel that I cannot throw stones at those who have helped rogues. When a friend goes rogue, you find yourself in a bit of a quandary: where does your loyalty lie? Is it with your mate who you have shared countless beers, laughs, and good times; or with the man/woman who has taken you into their family. Either avenue ends in a betrayal. It is a very prickly situation. I cannot honestly say with 100% certainty which choice is the right one. It is a very complex issue. Motives and relationships are complicated things; however if one does decide to abet a friend who has gone rogue I feel you must accept the consequences. If and when you are found out and disciplined you have absolutely no right to harbor any sort of grudge towards your Boss. You made your choice and because of your complicity in the actions of your friend there will be consequences. Let us not forget: We are all accountable for our own actions. |
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| Reply by: Inhibitor at Jan 17, '08 14:39 | |
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I pointed out last night in a speech that Oliver has 99 people and all the other crews combined had 217. Other crews, as a whole, should have twice as many incidents as Olivers, but they don't. I can only think of one rogue from a family other than Oliver's, and nearly every dishonorable discharge is from Oliver's. There is a problem, and it's coming out of Chicago. |
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| Reply by: Giuseppe at Jan 17, '08 14:42 | |
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Thanks for you comments Inhibitor. you make good points, and I'm sorry for the part I played in turning a good topic into a mudslinging match. you said there there is no good choice, but I think there is one right choice, it's just that our hearts might lead us to make the wrong one. |
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| Reply by: Giuseppe at Jan 17, '08 14:46 | |
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| Those 217 people you speak of also have four times as many leaders to keep them in check. Your comparison is baseless. | |
| Reply by: SotallyTober at Jan 17, '08 14:46 | |
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PAH! Where do you get your info? Must no be the obits section, in the past month I've seen several dishonorable discharges from all families, but you have to remember, the bigger the family the more your gonna have, in a room of ten people you will likely have one red head, in a room full of 100 people, you'll have at least 10... My point is that the more people in Olivers crew, the more likely he's gonna have trouble children, and the bigger his crew get, the more people he'll draw... Think of it this way, a pair of kids are at the movies, they buy tickets to one show and come out chatting about how great it is and are over heard by a group of 4 kids who promptly go and buy tickets... they come out and are over heard by 8 kids, and so on, so... There are about 300 people on our streets.. Each of those people have been in one crew or another, and have heard how great one crew or another is, now with both of these factored in you end up with Oliver having more fools and jerks then any one else. |
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| Reply by: Misty_Wyn at Jan 17, '08 14:46 | |
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| fucks sake Misty, do you bother to read three replies above yours? | |
| Reply by: Giuseppe at Jan 17, '08 14:48 | |
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Bruce notices the commotion and decides to speak You all talk about it being more difficult to control a larger crew but then surely wouldn't it be a solution to have a smaller crew? I mean surely if it really is impossible to control her crew then it should be brought to a point where it is easier to control. Of course this wont happen but it is something to bare in mind. |
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| Reply by: BruceCarrol at Jan 17, '08 14:51 | |
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"and the reason I know that you know nothing of that particular situation is because I am the only one that truly knows the details, due to it being me that took down Gaara" - Sao Well, you and anyone that read that open letter you wrote pretty much straight after it... |
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| Reply by: MacmillanNurse at Jan 17, '08 15:17 | |
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Moje joins the crowd. He can't help noticing that many of them are arguing in a very unfriendly way. He stands up before them, and speaks with his calm voice. As I have understood it, this topic is about weither friends or family comes first. An situation with a person being a rogue is also mentioned, but this has NOTHING to do with Oliver either being capable, or not capable of his job. Giuseppe, if you have a complaint about how Oliver is running things, then speak to him, or make a new thread. I agree with those who made good points about how hard it can be to run a family with almost 100 people. And yes, it might be a little too much. But actually, I think the job he's doing is very good. You atleast don't see posts like "Gif mey mony" or other noob speach in our family forums. I want this to be the last post about Olivers capabilities. Make a new thread, speak to Oliver, or mail me if you disagree with what I have just said. Now, back the topic. I am of the opinion that you either support your family before your friend, or simply talks the friend out of whatever the mistake is, that he is making. Friends can come and go, but family stay forever. *Ahem*Most times. - Moje |
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| Reply by: Moje at Jan 17, '08 15:23 | |
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