In my opinion it's pretty fucking sad that everytime someone brings a debate to the street that they end up swimmin with the fishes. Are we really that full of ourselves that we can't bare to listen to other peoples opinions. It's really simple if you dont like what's being said, dont read it. Your not being underminded or disrespected, just because someone doesnt agree with you. That kind of brutality is unprofitable to the rest of us. It's what breeds rogue's. Honestly I hope people who behave as such get their just dessert's. Your just making the world harder for the rest of us. Honestly piss off if you get your feeling hurt that easily. Go get some therapy. Im just sure your wife and kids love it when you act like a toddler on a power trip at home.

I have voiced my opinion numerous times in the streets. Usually after another mafioso has spoken but sometimes of my own impetus.

I'm still alive.

The reason being...I tread the line that all street speakers walk with absolute care. Those that do not are sent to go swim. While there are various ways to err in the streets, getting wacked for speaking usually is a last resort option.

Generally, vague threats, disrespect, and insane babbling are good enough for that kind of action.

Got it?

SINGERROURKE listens to whats been said by edgar the frog. Then he thinks about it. This man must love debates.

Edgar if you enjoy debates come to detroit where i have the best debates around the nation. You can partake or just watch. You can even win money down there in detroit.

SINGERROURKE then walks away feeling accomplished.

Edgar_Frog,
It's not the voice of opinions that send people swimming, it's the way they word it and what they are saying that does it, like how you have worded this speech, it's doing nothing nice for your reputation here.

Oh silly Edgar, it's all about the rhetoric.

Saying things like "fucking" and "piss off" ignite hostility (and you don't want people to be hostile towards you). Also, resorting to insulting people's "wives and kids" don't exactly make people want to listen to your point either.

If you can make a point tactfully, then the streets are all yours, regardless of your rank (assuming you maintain that tact).

If you can't... well then, taking a nice dip every now and then isn't so bad either. After all, don't frogs love the water?

this is what im talking about. instead of just decideing you dont like what i have to say, you threaten me. if people just kept it moving when they saw something they didnt like, like adults, the world would be a better place. *occ its a game and we get to serious about this stuff. I love it as much as the next dude but the drama and stupidity that happens on a daily basis hear is so avoidable. we need to bust out of the vicious circle and enjoy ourselves and not worry what the next guy is saying.

It wouldn't be very mafia-like if we did that too much, Edgar.  In our line of work, you have to be careful who you disrespect and whether any of your comments show even a hint of disloyalty to your family.  Sometimes you have to say things that reflect the interests of your family, even if those things do not fall in line with your personal beliefs.

Edgar_Frog, who's threatened you?

*looks around..

I can't see any threats being made?

If you can't... well then, taking a nice dip every now and then isn't so bad either. After all, don't frogs love the water?

refering to sending bums swimming with the fishes.

Edgar, I don't think that was a threat on your life, but more of a statement regarding your whole attitude in your original speech.
We were quite aggressive and hostile, what did you expect?

*Edgar, I don't think that was a threat on your life, but more of a statement regarding your whole attitude in your original speech.
"YOU" were quite aggressive and hostile, what did you expect?*

My bad, I done a booboo in my original reply.

Edgar_Frog, you can't expect to tell people to go get therapy and then not expect responses from it. how about speaking in the streets with common courtesy and not being rude and insulting. All I can say is that if you were to speak with me directly in the manner that you have addressed the streets, then I can assure you that it would be similar to you telling me you wanted to start a fight, only issue for you is that it's a fight you are in no position to win at this point in time..soooo...why not just speak in a more respectful manner to people, get your point accross and avoid putting peoples backs out?

I guess my point is im sick of seeing people waacked for saying something like, "I hate oranges" and then someone who likes oranges takes offense to it. Instead of being mature adults and leaving it be. People pull out there E peckers and thwack it around a little bit to prove how manly they are.

Vincent Z. Jangro, 24, of Oak Street, Tupper Lake pleaded guilty to Superior Court Information rather than a formal grand-jury indictment to second-degree attempted assault, stemming from an incident Oct. 3, 2009.

He was originally charged with two counts of second-degree assault, six counts of endangering the welfare of a child, second-degree attempted assault, two counts of unlawfully dealing with a child, second-degree criminal nuisance, sixth-degree conspiracy and second-degree criminal trespassing.

Thats me. I've lived the life. Ive needed to wear bullet proof vests for awhile because of a drug deal gone wrong with indians from the akwesasne mohawk reservation. i had to carry a gun. we need to step back and realise this is just a game. its just a game. being E thugs to eachother accomplish's nothing. IRL your going to eat alot of shit in your dealings with people and your going to do it with a smile in this thing. But on the flip note you dont go insulting people and threatening other because you dont know what the next guys capable of. Thats one thing i think the game should change to reflect the real world is upping the hit percentage. There would be alot more respect in this game and less bickering if the top could be touched.

Cosmo sidles up to the frog ranting on the corner, wondering why he's believed the shadowy man when he said there were no hallucinagenic properties to that weird drink.  thinking to himself, "A talking frog?  Ok, lets see where this takes us"

Hey there talking frog.  Have you got them paranormal powers that let you see in the future?  Let me get in here first.  I think we can make a good sideline in me betting on sports events and guff like that in the future.  I can give you anything you need; flies, general bugs and grubs.  A big luxurious tank or pond.  All the froggy honeys you need.  Just me and you go into business.  Anything else you can tell me about 2009?

Cosmo pulls a slightly perplexed face, worrying he might be losing it and there might not actually be a frog there.

I believe he has what they call the "oocitis", and he has it bad. The man's obviously delusional to the point where he thinks he's from the future. Someone should get this man a doctor.

Paddy walks away at an alarmed pace. He didn't know if the disease was contagious or not. 

walks in on her high heels, with her short skirt and big bambiblue eyes and listens to the whole discussion and then shakes her head

Dear froggy,

Speaking your mind is fine, but most who do that are disrespectful and even worse, hardly acquainted with all the facts and just screaming accusations even towards Admins and stuff. 
If you do not agree with the rules of this game or how it's being playing, don't play it.

It's a game for ****sake! This might make people to go rogue, but what's the point to that? Cause all ya do is making clear you're a stupid ass right? 
Either way, you'll swim with tha fishes...

If you have complaints or anything else to say about this game or the people in it, please do so, but get your facts straight. Cause you don't get to swim with tha fishes that easily ;-) 

Peace yall!

grins while walking out with her stunning appearance, knowing that SINGER, Assassin and all the others are checking her out. Even you dear Froggy! ;-)

Quoth wanders over to see what the commotion is about, and listens for a while before shaking his head sadly. Seems there's one born every minute, and by one he meant whiney little bitches.

Edgar, your penchance for over dramatising things and fortune telling aside, you have forgotten some of the basics of this life of hours. We operate an honour system, and I don't mean some pathetic pseudo street honour crap, I mean real proper honour, and respect. If you come into the street and disrespect me publically, then its my job to put you in your place or people might think start to think I'm soft, or that your accusations are true. If I don't stand up for myself, then people will think I'm a pushover, and any respect I have earned will quickly evaporate.

No one will shoot me for saying I don't like Oranges. I actually am quite partial to them in all their succulent Vitamin C goodness after all, but I don't think we have any one seriously retarded enough to wack me or anyone else for saying we don't like them. However, if I say I don't like oranges, and anyone who does is a retarded closet homosexual who sits and circle jerks with their gay friends over piles of discarded orange peel, now that's likely to get some backs up amongst the Orange appreciating community.

Its not what you say, its how you say it. As long as there is respect, and you don't mouth off and insult everyone, chances are you will get away with pretty much anything you want to say. However, as has also been pointed out already by my good friend Ancalagon, if you come out here and start gibbering away madly about random shit, or other worlds, then chances are you might wake up face down in the mortuary or at the bottom of the Hudson river.

I will never eat shit unless it comes from my boss, and you can rest assured i will not do it with a smile. Any man who tries to make me do otherwise better have the defences of the United States Army in order to stop me and my associates from stomping a mudhole in their ass and whooping it dry as my late grandfather would have said. This is the Mafia, and I am a high ranked member of it. I count Godfathers and crewleaders as well as made men from countless cities amongst my friends and acquaintances. They show me respect, and I show them respect. To say that when some snot nosed little dweeb insults one of us we should just smile and keep walking is as stupid as asking the late great Iota to mind your Plate of Hamburgers whilst you go to the john. If you don't have the muscle to back up what you say, then don't say it. End of story.

You also say that the Gods should influence gun skill and make it easier to kill? Why the hell should they? In recent studies undertaken by the FBN, over 80% of all gun battles took place at an average range of 20 feet. at that short range, those who had excellent weapon handling skills, such as professional law enforcement and military training hit only 68% of the time. The average hood less than 18% of the time. So why should it be easier to kill a Godfather and his army of bodyguards whom has personally put down over 200 low lives when you are just another schlub with a grudge?

Quoth smiles genially and tips his hat before lighting up and watching to see if Edgar had anything else to add about the here and now or the future.

I think your "FBN" studies might be a little off. I've never heard of a gun fight happening at 20 feet. its more like less than 7 yards and under 10 feet. at that range my grandmother could pop just about anyone. you dont need to be john wayne like in the holsters to snuff someone out. mob hits are usually very close personal things.

In my opinion it's pretty fucking sad that everytime someone brings a debate to the street that they end up swimmin with the fishes.

Of the 19 most recent speeches I have heard I think only one person is dead. I would hardly call that every time someone brings a debate to the street they end up dead would you?

ramble ramble ramble, rogue, ramble, random swear word, ramble

The rest of what you said was a rambling mess which made me think you may have been on something at the time you spoke, this was further enforced with your recent bout of OOCitis.

Your quote about city hall really don't belong with in these streets, may I suggest you take a trip down Suggestions Street with those ideas.


When talking on the streets I suggest you think what you want to say, then consider if it could offend someone, if you are still not sure I suggest you run it by someone with some clout in your city. If they will back you up then you are fairly safe to climb the great soapbox on the streets and preach away safe in the knowledge your ass is covered. If they won't back you then it is down to your own risk.

Most CLs, RHs or LHs will give you an honest opinion about what you want to say. Far far far safer to do that then come out here with a mass of rage inside you and offend a few people.

MrBlonde walks by and throws a paper wrapped around a brick at Edgar's feet.The young man picks it up and reads:

If you don't stop this blasphemy I think your Crew Leader won't be too happy. Other than that have a great day.

As he runs away he throws a tomato at Edgar's face, shouting:"You better not sleep tonight or the Boogey man will get you!!"