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Hard Facts Vol. 1 | Started by: -MuffinMan- on Jan 26, '08 21:08 |
MuffinMan steps onto his Podium "I have been at hard work, the past few hours trying to get a better understanding on a subject of interest to me. Not because I think anything needs to change, but the fact that I was left undecided on the Topic, and hoping to maybe shed some light on the issue. Then maybe I would be able to choose which side of the Debate I represent. "So I stopped Fifty random Mafiosi on the streets and asked them the following: "I'm sure you are aware of the protection the new Gangster's are given for the first 48 hours they arrive on shore. Do you feel that it is good to have? Or do you feel the world could do without it?" "I must say I great Participation from those who helped right off the street and answered my question wonderfully. I owe you all cookies for a Job well done. So I know why you all are here crowded around me. So here are the results you all are waiting for: Out of 50 Mafiosi questioned: Yes, 48 Hrs is needed: 17 No, 48 Hrs is not needed: 20 Undecided, too many pros and cons: 13 "As you can tell it is a very close poll on the issue, although after my investigation I would have to decide to go with "No, 48 Hrs is not needed" . At first I was leaning more toward it being a good thing, which I still believe the intentions are there, I just feel it causes more of an issue. I have decided from speaking to others that killer's will be killer's and no matter the circumstance, would rather take the chances of not being caught than passing up the chance to keep his gun warm. At the first Implementation of the Guideline I felt as if it was the right thing to do. Though time has gone by now, people are arriving to these shores knowing of their protection and taking advantage of the situation they are given. You cannot blame them, they have Mafiosi blood, therefore they are doing what the Mafia does best and find a way to break the rules, silently. "Now I am not saying that I disagree with statements on the other side of the arguement due to the fact that just 5 hours ago I was indecisive, so I know the views of those as well. As for the undecided individuals on the topic, I hope this helps you as it did me, not matter what side you take to defend." "I feel that it is important for you all to see peoples responses like I have, numbers just are not enough to help you decide. It wasn't for me, the responses are what persuaded me to my decision." The MuffinMan passes out the Fliers for everyone to read. On it contained statements from others, but with their privacy remaining intact. ((OOC)) The responses are done in OOC character as i did not want to change anyone's own words. * Those for 48 Hrs. Protection *
* Those who are against 48 Hrs. Protection *
* Those Undecided about the Issue *
((End Of OOC)) "So there you have it, statements by real people to hopefully shed light on the issue for those who were like myself and unsure on what to think. "Either way I look at of it, we are mafiosi, use you heads before making unsure decisions, also take the time to talk to the newer arrivals to this shore. Now granted, most new arrivals are those who were directed to these lands by past Family members, keep in mind though, that one thug you may pass by without saying hello too may need your help like you yourselves did at one point. "I would like to encourage those who have yet to answer the questions themselves to do so, if you don't mind other's seeing your response. I contacted people off the streets and had a one on one conversation with them so they felt comfortable enough to give an answer with integrity. With that being said, I would like to say thank you for everyone who participated in my polls straight off the street. I hope this helps everyone as it has me." Sincerely, MuffinMan The Muffin Man? Yes, the Muffin Man. |
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MuffinMan, Thanks for your efforts putting this together. It is certainly interesting to see the opinions that many in our world have regarding this issue. I will continue to enforce the 48 hour rule, as both the leader of my family and other families believe it to be important. Personally, however, I don't like it. I remember, many years ago, when my ancestors first came to this place. They were intrigued by the unique opportunities it presented them, and were enthusiastic about learning as much as they could about this place. They sought out help, and learned as much as they could. They had found themselves a family within a few hours. Now, it seems like newly turned gangsters have some sort of divine protection immediately after they are promoted. This, I have no problem with, as I think it provides sufficient protection to this vulnerable group. My questions are: Have you ever known a valuable mafioso, who has contributed anything to this community, who was unable to figure out they needed to find a family within the first 24 hours of their time in this place? If not, what sort of people are we protecting with the 48 hour rule? |
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Reply by: Keats at Jan 26, '08 21:21 | |
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Minion steps out onto the streets an greets MuffinMan "Nice research, well done for committing to something. One thing I can't help but think is that your decision went solely on what the majority thought of the rule, if it had been the other way around, you would've been all for it. Sorry if this is a false accusation, but it's what I feel" |
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Reply by: LittleMinion at Jan 26, '08 21:21 | |
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The biggest thing I think you are missing here, is the time frame isn't 24 hours. The time frame is from when they login for the first time, and then the next time they login after a 24 hour real life time period. How much actual game play time has happened? Did they make an account, spend 15 minutes poking around, then leave the site, only to come back the following day, login, die instantly? Not everyone can sit down and play 17 hours the very first time they login. Not every has planned ahead to budget X hours of time to sit and play - before they even hit the register button for the first time. |
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Reply by: Squishy at Jan 27, '08 05:34 | |
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So what's the ratio of people who say "I give up" after they die rather than "What happened there, I'd like to find out"... | |
Reply by: PrinceofCheese at Jan 27, '08 07:43 | |
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I am for the 48 hour rule, let's get that out the way initially, so I can look at the flip side of the arguement. (I will abbreviate and paraphrase if I may, I am not so hot at the making it look pretty...) "Good people get killed for killing these <48 hour old gangsters who should have a family already" Or, perhaps, they could learn to obey the rules set down by their crew leaders. If someone is incapable of following the simple instructions of their boss, then they are a liability, not an asset. "... the way it used to be" What, when we had a hundred people a day coming to our shores, and population growth wasn't an issue at all? The new country, here, now, is NOT the old country in it's glory days. It could have been, one of the key people in making the decision to make it so came here to check out our 6 cities.... and got killed the 2nd time he stepped outside (sorry, that makes little sense, I must go OOC for a sec we got the games editor for FHM to come and play, he got shot at 28 hours old, suffice it to say we are unlikely to be listed in their top 100). The shooting range was implimented precisely because we do not have the volume of traffic that the old country had in it's glory days. "... you have 24 hours anyway, use it!" Where's the harm in extending them another 24? If they aren't going to join a family, then there is the same number of kills, just a day later. If they DO join a family, then that's another active (hopefully) productive (hopefully) person on our shores. My family have been associating with about 200 of yours for the better part of 7 years now, some new faces are positively required, not just a nicety. "... I learned the hard way, why can't they?" I would be interested in learning the stats that the cheesey one has just alluded to. I would guess, and this is pure guess, that for every one who comes back there are at least 5 who don't. In summary, I just don't see the harm in it. At best it helps newcomers find their feet, get a feel for the place. At worst it means you have to wait an extra day or so to get the kill. There's the same amount of kills around, you are just asked to wait a while before you get them. |
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Reply by: Anthony_Scotto at Jan 27, '08 08:07 | |
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When I received a mail about this, I had to think long and hard before composing truthful answers. On paper, as Scotto has already mentioned, there can be no real argument against the forty eight hour rule; it provides an additional twenty four hours, something which is perhaps needed for both young and old blood alike given that I've always advocated taking time to find the right family for you. With the addition of the training range, which is not too expensive at all, I really can see no reason to begrudge anyone of an extra 24 hours. However, I acknowledge that there is two sides to every argument; and it could be argued that until this policy is efficiently policed, it will never be a sucess. Equally, one could argue that it's an impossible rule to efficiently police, though I'm pretty certain if the leaders threatened to ice the most likely suspects in a city where an illegal kill has just taken place, we'd see a very sharp drop in the number of illegal deaths. Perhaps I'm going a tad overboard there though. Recently, I have seen increased outings for the "abuse" argument, that is to say the people who call for the abolishment of the forty eight hour rule on the basis that it's too easily abused. Give me a break. It's always been accepted that people who are deemed to be abusing the forty eight hour rule are exceptions to the aforementioned, and that's common knowledge. In summary, I agree with the forty eight hour rule currently; I never have in the past but as previously mentioned, we are no longer in the past and we must adapt accordingly. Thank you for putting in some effort here -MuffinMan-, it's refreshing to see. |
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Reply by: Ursus at Jan 27, '08 11:20 | |
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A well-researched and intelligent report, MuffinMan. It's very interesting to see how the average mafioso on the street considers the rules that we live within and hopefully, if this is the first of many reports by yourself, it will lead to the bosses considering the rules where there is a clear majority in favour of such an action. From your report, there isn't a clear majority in favour of change on this issue though. |
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Reply by: Carnegie at Jan 27, '08 11:27 | |
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With all due respect, Squishy, I don't think I'm missing anything. You posit a person who registers, pokes around for 15 minutes, does not find out what is expected of them, and disappears for 24 hours. They return 24 hours later, find out they are dead, and rend their garments and gnash their teeth, never to return. This person is lame! What kind of person does this? "Well honey, I'm ready for work, just let me login to the text-based roleplaying game I recently signed up for, to get my 15 minutes of black-and-white-textual-intercourse in everyday from 6:45 AM to 7:00 AM. Gadzooks! I have been slain! NEVER AGAIN!". The people who register, for whatever reason, have decided to seek out an online game to be a part of. You don't need an extreme example of someone who "sits down and plays 17 hours the very first time they log in". But I think it's reasonable to say that the people who register are people looking to join a new online game, and have the time to do so. I wouldn't think there are too many people who register on the day of their trip to Cancun, or the night they go on a weekend bender. People who come here for the first time do so because they have free time they are looking to apply to a new pursuit. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to wind up here and figure out ASAP that you need a family. In most cases, I'd say people can figure it out in less than hour. I admit that, in an extremely rare circumstance, someone may register and be called away for an extended period of time. But it's reasonable to think that this person would just try again. |
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Reply by: Keats at Jan 27, '08 12:27 | |
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Thanks to popular demand, I'm going to make this a regular project for me. People seemed to be pleased with the ability to see others response without having to get directly involved. Thank you all for the kind remarks and support. Sincerely, MuffinMan The Muffin Man? Yes, the Muffin Man. |
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Reply by: -MuffinMan- at Jan 27, '08 20:46 | |
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(ooc) Keats, to be quite honest a lot of the people playing these games have short attention spans. These is such a demand for peoples attention that they dont really need to put any effort in. If they find they have died a lot of them will just turn away and look somewhere else. Hence this rule helps people get settled and in place and therefore more likely to saty. Thankyou Muffinman for bringing something fresh and inventive to the streets. |
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Reply by: BruceCarrol at Jan 27, '08 20:51 | |
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