I'm literally going to have to die just to speak on this topic. Sucks for the guy in the obits that I was feeling talkative today.

Rogues rogues rogues the silent assassins. O yea we do a lot of killing, nowhere near the amount that the people at the top do but we get our shots in. A lot of people don't get the pleasure of seeing what goes on behind closed doors. People think that we rogue just because we like killing or because we are assholes. Which I can't say isn't true because we do thoroughly enjoy seeing a bum swimming with the fishes as a godfather loses his chair or a disrespectful CL gets put in a body bag for something he said or did to a goomba.

Most of the time our first couple shots are strategic or targeted shots that have real reasons behind them. Many times it's for disrespectful actions towards a friend, or threats to kill us for no cause, or actually killing us when we were loyal long ago. We didn't start out as rogues, most of us came from a line of respectable mobsters at one point. Now we are rebels, unwilling to conform to the society that has clearly rejected us time and time again. 

I've had many CL's even since I've been labelled a rogue that I've been loyal to and would happily die for again. It's because loyalty shouldn't be a one way street. Members loyal to the CL but the CL has no loyalty to their members is often times the case. They may have a select few they care for but everyone else is disposable to them. When we rogue and kill you as a second, third, or more shot we are showing you how indispensable you were. Why weren't you protected? Surely everybody they thought was important to them was protected but not you...? Hmm... 

Many look at us like bad guys but we are only doing what most of you tell us to do and "rank up and do something about it!" Is killing out of self defence, respect, honour, and dignity bad?  No matter the size of the force against us we will continue to fight. The coward is the one who abandons their friends, their morals and conforms to those above them solely to avoid death. 

Leaders of the world, be warned. You may think you are untouchable when you talk down to a little guy or shake your finger at us acting all high and mighty while your pro'd but you are not untouchable. We watch when you brag, and when you flaunt your shit in front of people acting all high and mighty. We have shown time and time again that you could be next. So conduct yourself with honour and dignity, show your worth to this community when you conduct your business otherwise you will be added to or move up our priority LIST.

I understand the sentiment behind the whole talking down to low ranks. People often forget those ranks move up and remember.

I find it unfortunate that you felt you needed to rogue in order to speak up.

You have a choice.

To rogue or not to rogue...

To join a family.

This one or that one...

When you make a choice it's your choice to make if you make the wrong one you will inevitably end up on the wrong side of the wall. We are gifted with being able to choose our family and if you make the bad choice then that impacts your time here. It's not hard to broaden your awareness and find the right place to call your home.

I could understand you if there were people being bloodlined or a major tyrant on our streets that bullied the rest but there isn't and wealth and power is being shared among all at this very moment it time, you just didn't reach out and grab it. That's why you now lay six feet underground with nobody here to remember you tomorrow.

AppleJuice69 was passing by sipping his juice through a straw as usual when he stopped to notice a person making a speech, as soon the man stopped talking several people had comments to make against him, but so did he.

Look you can't generalize every family just because you happened to have a few bad ones, that isn't anyone else's fault but your own. It's shameful for you to act like you have the moral high ground when you didn't do anything to change what you thought was right before starting your little tirade. 

So.. Was he actually saying that he wanted to show low-ranking people how bad their leadership is by killing them? Hoping that would make them mad at their leaders? I think maybe that cause should be reevaluated.

It's sad because the man clearly stated his issue was a series of leaders he felt wronged him. Then proceeded to mock the "rank up and do something" adage. It's sad because if his issue was poor leadership, that adage would have probably the best solution for him. Be it earning a spot in whatever city he was from or making a move to Seattle could have been an option. 

But he didn't chose that..  

"To add to KTi-'s point, let's not forget that these 'bad' leaders he speaks of were the very people who flocked together to stop him shooting at the least protected mafioso of our world. He had a laughable water pistol, capable of hitting only those with the most basic of protection and yet majority of the people in our hit squad hunting him were leaders and hands, those who were actually not directly under threat to his peashooter at all. Doesn't seem much like the actions of careless leaders to me, my friend."

So conduct yourself with honour and dignity, show your worth to this community when you conduct your business otherwise you will be added to or move up our priority LIST.

They say people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Well you're over here launching boulders from a house made of glass so paper-thin it's almost as fragile as your reasoning. 

What planet are you even on talking about enjoying killing Crew Leaders and Godfathers? You must have had a thoroughly unenjoyable last day considering most of the people you killed, although valuable members of the community, weren't even made men. 

If you're going to come out to the streets to call out leaders for their allegedly disrespectful actions while fully accepting that you will die for it, then why can't you give a single example or name anyone at all? If you know you're going to die then what could possibly be holding you back from calling out individuals with real examples other than a fear that people will find them as petty and laughable as your attempts to threaten the leaders of our world?

I'm sure there are some CLs and possibly some Godfathers who don't treat other members of our community as well as they should. Is shooting a bunch of random wise guys going to help at all with that? Even for somebody as delusional as you seem to be, it's clearly not. The reality is that you weren't willing to put in the time or effort to become a skilled enough shooter to hit anybody that could have effected real change in line with you want.

You still wanted to feel important and the thrill of taking a few lives though. So you just shot whoever you could hit and then came to the streets acting like you were a rebel for some noble cause who just dealt a serious blow to the people you claimed to be fighting, rather than a nobody killing people whose side you are supposedly on just because you were bored and wanted the chance to get on your soapbox.

Pathetic.

Raki sighed seeing and hearing yet again, another discussion like his, he again leaned forward, after he listened to what all of them had to say, he shook his head, hating again that he would have to reword what the ppor fellow was trying to say, because yet again peopel didn't seem to understand, and again people needed to judge. 

"You know...I am not saying I promote this...but what the ppor fellow is trying to say is...no matter what rank you are, or how high you are, you can still be killed...like my parents always told me...the bigger you are the harder you fall...or in this case its the higher you are the harder you fall...I have seen a lot of disrespectful people from all ranks, that need to be be put in their place...and sometimes people only listen when there is rogue...and this is true....I mean you can tell me it is isnt..but I can probably name more than a handful of occassions where certain users of a CL rank that got ignored....and trying to protect their members...and they had to rogue for people to even hear them out...I mean I am not saying that she should do it...but what I am saying is...before you go judging that person for their bloodline for being a rogue, then maybe you should ask?..." 

"As I said in a previous discussion...everyone has their reasons....I mean you guys say you want loyalty and trust and omerta and all that crap...but maybe the rogue feels the same way? maybe they feel like you arent loyal enough to them?...here is my saying...I am as loyal to you..as you are to me....if you want loyalty from me...then give me loyalty...it gores both ways....you want rogues to stop..then how about stop being hypocrtical...and change....and follow through with what you say you are going to do differently and do it...maybe these rogues are trying to tell you something...maybe they are trying to say...hey...there is two ways to the street...hey follow your own rules?"
 

"I mean don't get me wrong....I am not saying roguing is a good habbit to have...or they should all rogue out...or I promote it...but what I am saying...is that maybe the reasons behind it...is the point they are trying to make...and maybe we should listen to what they have to say...you know I talked to an old family friend...and he told me.....in this world we talk with our fists and guns...and what ever weapon we have...we stopped using our mouths the moment we get our gun...and which it is true...sorry to say...we put up this front..and say hey...I wil be loyal to you...as a long as you pay me..and tell me how big your gun is....and then we become paranoid..and lying hypocrits and turn and shoot on our own allies...which I am not aapart of that...because I don't betray people I want to keep around...and but I do happen to use my gun for people who want to betray me..or becomes two faced....or put my name in their mouth and makes up a bunch of crap just to start drama...but other than that...I stick to myself and my close friends.."

"You know...you people say you hate rogues...but how many of you can say not one of your ancestor has rogued? or how many of you can say non of your ancestors has mnever betrayed anyone...or never became a lier? or never became hypocritical? ...yeah...I thought so...so before you go judging that rogue...just know that rogue always has a voice....remember...the rogues is what runs this world in the shadows...I learned that quick...and no I am not roguing out...so don't even think on it...but what I am saying is...I would never jump to judge that rogue...because I honestly don't know what I would do if I was ever pushed into that position...and since you guys are judging like you never rogued...I am sure you don't know either...i mean you can tell me...oh I would never....yeah okay...we will see...so again...please becare on what you say about the rulers in the shadows." 

He spoke softly, but very clear, as he finished he stood up and left, feeling pitty for the people who had their hands tied, and pushed into that situation, but he knew not ot dwell on it, he then, went to meet up with his family.

"Your reply is rather broad, Raki so it's rather unclear on who you're actually addressing with your counter-argument. I can only speak for myself on this matter, but I don't disagree with you. Sometimes people take to roguing because they feel it's the only way they can get their voice heard. Whether that be the truth or not, that is the reasoning in almost all cases. However, I don't recall this being a debate on whether rogues are right to do what they do or even a discussion on whether we agree with the notion of rogues. This was a discussion on a rogue trying to prove his supporting of the lower ranks and his rebellion against the higher ranks by shooting the low ranks while the high ranks protected them. That is what makes his argument moot.

I wouldn't say I'm against rogues. It's probably not how we 'should' confront our problems, but I can certainly see how it becomes an option. I would even go as far to say that there are circumstances where I can even respect a rogue, their reasoning or their intentions. However, a crazy trigger-happy young Made Man shooting anything he can hit, regardless of rank, status or even activity, I cannot support. He wasn't true to a cause or forced into a corner. He just decided to try and cause commotion for the sake of it without even a solid plan to carry him. However, everyone is welcome to their own opinions. If you think that is something meaninful and worth risking not only your life but your kin's reputation for, then you're welcome to that belief. Some things are worth that, sure - but a few cheap shots at some people who were just unlucky enough to be ill-prepared for such a thing? Sorry, I can't get behind that."

What has always puzzled me is the overall motive.

Do you sincerely, truthfully, honestly mean to conduct these rogue actions to better the world we live in? What exactly do you wish to change?There are people who have been part of this life that brought peace, engagement and opportunity to the cities that were still gunned down by rogues. Why? Because behind all the utter bullshit of noble intent, if you find an unprotected target, you'll shoot at it. 

There is no honour code you live by, no respect or integrity in your actions. 

Perhaps it sounds like I'm tarnishing you and all your like minded associates with the same brush. Perhaps it is just a matter of perspective. So should I clarify where I stand?

I'm on the side of building, developing, teaching and growth. I'm talking about community events, supporting first time leaders and swelling the overall population of the cities. On Christmas eve many of my Grandfathers like-minded associates were gunned down by one of your kind. Senselessly and without reason. Just because they were able to make the shot. Beat the protection. 

And that's the kind of rogue you are. Not a tyrant toppling, regime changing, opportunity granting prophet who has 'ranked up and done something about it'. You're just a shooter, you like the way it feels when people moan about you, and it got under your skin I called you out as incognito trash.

But trying to talk to you and your kind about your actions is like talking to a corpse, or literally on this occasion. I've told you where I stand, where the people of South Philly stand and where we will continue to stand. If we're on this side, where does that put you, and the ones that target us?