I would like to say I am very surprised and dissapointed by the change introduced to the OC system today.

Surprised, because it was done silently, without any notice. The previous change from 24 hour to 8 hour system was at least announced and explained.

Dissapointed, because I believe this change kills OCs and renders NPMs useless. I don't think it will be any longer profitable to buy NPMs with their income cut down to 20%-30%.

A month ago OCs were something to celebrate. After the change from 24h to 8h system, they were something to wake up in the middle of the night for. After today's change, with the profit equal to one drug run, they become something I will neither wait for, nor care if I remember to perform regularly.


Last but not least, in the thread about demotions and bodyguards Squishy wrote:

'If you increase the cost of BGs, it will have one of two long term results in the game (...) The amount of BGs purchased will be less. In order to maintain the proper balance between wack and defense, we would have to track the drop in defense, and likewise, remove some RIAs to keep the proper ratio of a characters wack/defense growth.'

Today's change to the OC system will have a great impact on the game economy. I believe the crew's income will be cut by at least 1/3, maybe a half. Should we expect RIAs to be removed from the game as a consequence of this?

GT

What change is this?

NPMs now count as regular players. They give no boost.
So the most you can get with tier 4 OC is 500K split among players and NPMs participating.

Removing RIA's has nothing to do with the games economy. The reason Squishy said RIA needed to be removed in the BG case, is because with less defensive stats, it would be unfair for people to still be able to get the level of wack stats they were getting, while people had a higher number of bodyguards. Removing some RIA's would balance the wack/defence stats out again.

Also, why should NPM's boost the payout? Are they some kind of super human mobster who are able to get everything done with as little cost and in as little time? I don't think so. They already boost the chance of succeeding greatly.

People will moan about anything these days...

SalvatoreMaranzano, you missed my point completely.

In the quoted text I've shown the dependency between BG cost and number of RIAs, which had been explained by Squishy before. Whether you increase the cost of BGs or nerf the earnings, the result is similar.

NPMs boosting the payout are not my idea. It's just the way it used to be for the past few months. Until yesterday.

Yeah, people moan about anything today. For example, you moan about me pointing out the effects of today's change.

Shut it and deal, you greedy bastard.

I don't see a reason why you should call me names here. Stick to the point of this thread or keep walking.

The point of this thread is that you want to make more money when you invite fake people as opposed to actually working with real people while doing the same thing.  Which makes you a greedy bastard.

My bank account is none of your business.

Maybe you didn't notice, but by inviting NPMs I earn money for the families owning these NPMs, not for myself.
The main point of NPM's existence is earning money for the family. Now they might not even pay back their cost.

OCs are designed in a way which encourages inviting NPMs, before the change or after. This change in no way encourages inviting real players.

So much for your slander.

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The point of this thread is a huge change is introduced to the game without any notice.

The second point of this thread is that this change greatly affects family earnings. As it was stated before by Squishy, tampering with BG cost would imply changes in RIAs spawn rate. As the change to OCs will greatly affect the amount of BGs the family can buy, I asked whether this means RIAs spawn rates will be decreased.

I do not think they ever gave a boost to cash. From the original post when they where introduced, it says they "increase your chance of success".

http://mafiareturns.com/comm/thread/130278

I have not noticed any change to be honest. I have done two OC's today and got around 500K each time, which is average for me, the most I have got since the new system was introduced is 1.2 mill.

Pablo,

The tier 3 OC, which you can do as a boss, pays 320k.
Before the change, if you did it with another player ranked Boss and 4 NPM Capos, you and the other player would get 160k each and the NPMs would get some money from outside the "pot".
After the change, in the same situation you split the 320 among all 6 gang members. You and the other player get 58k each and the NPMs get the rest.

I am not moaning about your thread, I am pointing out that

a) YOU are moaning about not getting as much money as before
b) WHY should they increase earnings at a ridiculous rate

and one more point, is this really a game suggestion? If not, you're in the wrong forum.

a) Moaning, according to the Oxford Dictionary is "a complaint which is perceived as trivial and not taken seriously by others". Now read my first post carefully and show me the fragment where I say "I want to make more money".

b) Because it used to be that way and the game was balanced. This change affects this balance. Why do I think it was balanced? Because after players' suggestion that BG prices should be increased, Squishy said that it would imply decreasing the number of RIAs. If the game wasn't balanced, why should this implication be valid?

If my thread being posted in the right forum is really your biggest concern, then yes, it is a suggestion.

The suggestion is that cutting the earnings has the same implication as increasing BG prices, so the consequences should be the same.

"b) Because it used to be that way and the game was balanced. This change affects this balance. Why do I think it was balanced? Because after players' suggestion that BG prices should be increased, Squishy said that it would imply decreasing the number of RIAs. If the game wasn't balanced, why should this implication be valid?"

According to this, it wasn't balanced.

As you can see a thread was made explaining what was going on. It seems you just need to exercise some patience.

The way Giovanni explained it, NPM's didn't increase the earnings at all. They simply took a cut that didn't come from the actual heist. If this is so, NPMs would have recieved the benefit of having multiple people do OCs with them. Perhaps this is what Squishy was referring to when he said they were making more money than they were meant to. However, I do feel it's quite redundant. If the NPM isn't going to make enough money to make them worth buying, they won't be bought. It's that simple. For instance, the NPM's live a month and cost 3 million a peice. at a minimum. As it was yesterday, the NPM's were making double, possibly triple their worth. With this new change, the chances of anyone doing OCs with NPM's have dropped dramatically. Thus, the money they make will drop alot. I would be quite surprised if at the end of the month, they even make enough to pay themselves off. The only families that really buy NPMs are ones that really need a boost in income. And, even at that rate, why would they waste that 3 mill per if they aren't going to give a huge boost in the families income?

/rant

According to other posts by Squishy from the period when NPMs were earning more, it was. He changed his point of view after reviewing some data and he was in a position to do so. But don't blame me for this.

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So expressing my opinion and concerns first makes me a moaner and greedy bastard, than impatient.
It's ridiculous how you people come down to personal insults instead of discussing the heart of the matter.
Grow up.

I feel that expressing your opinions and concerns is quite appropriate. We, as the community of MR have every right to do so. Will our suggestions/opinions matter for shit? Not always. However, it's always beneficial to express them.

I'm not insulting you. I was just saying you should exercise patience. Take it how you want I guess...

I was insulting you either, if you are taking it to heart that much, I think you are the one that may need to grow up.

Tosco, i think you have made a very valid point. In NO way is he being greedy, as this thread is not all ME ME ME but in fact about something that is affecting all of us and our CL's. Now Tosca does not deserve to be spoken to the way he has. He has came across a part of the game that does not benefit him and many others... in fact it does the complete opposite of beneficial means.

Also Salvatore i think it is many of you here that need to grow up and not Tosco because all i have seen at the moment is most of you making your point in a rather aggressive way. Try speak like a civilised human and get your point across and then I'm very sure that Tosca will have no complaints.