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| Times were living in | Started by: Paranoia on Feb 15, '08 19:53 |
| Look it's cute how all you CP lovelies come out and defend yourselves and your CL's, drop it, your not saying anything worth reading. | |
| Reply by: Paranoia at Feb 15, '08 20:35 | |
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Interventions stands about and listens to everyone reply to the young childs speech and then decides to add a few words Lets be honest here, regardless of the situation It is no one else business apart from my own. At the end of the day i took action of which i thought would be best for my family. Yes Altitude came to me and requested me to kill Your father. I had words with him, and i had words with your father. I had to come to the decision and my decision was to kill off a friend. It was not easy but I did what I believed was right for my family. The deaths of -DarkProphet- and BigMinion who were RH to LostPriest set a standard which had to be followed. |
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| Reply by: Intervention at Feb 15, '08 20:37 | |
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| This entire speech wasn't worth reading my man. Perhaps if you'd joined another guys crew again, gained his trust and HQ'd his members we'd be interested. But you've not done that for a while now. :S | |
| Reply by: j0ngott1 at Feb 15, '08 20:40 | |
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This is all about factions. You were in the wrong one, the nod came and you were done in. There really isn't much more to say. My father was demoted for looking at RonMexico the wrong way, sometimes you have to roll with the punches. There isn't a valid argument here, merely a perspective. |
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| Reply by: Sledge-Hammer at Feb 15, '08 20:45 | |
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Pig, just because you are a grunt, grumpy fuck, don't mean your god. I'm not pissed because I was HQed, it was for the reasons, it was a vendetta nothing more. Once again you know nothing of the situation but you must come out and defend your Family. I respect that, at the same token respect my comments and don't try and tell what they can and cannot read. The Fact that A1 was allowed to setup after roguing destroys your whole debate of rogues not being allowed to live, not once did we hear you make a comment about that. There does your whole Debate out the window. The Facts Are This: If I was such a huge threat, I shouldnt be allowed in a Family. I was no threat to Intervention and he knows that, nor anyone else. For fucks sake we went through an Entire day without someone mentioning it, then all of a sudden I'm a huge threat. Intervention doesn't answer to Altitude, but in a way he does being they are all one big happy Family. Pee wee Herman is a pervert, but we still let our kids watch his programs. |
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| Reply by: Paranoia at Feb 15, '08 20:49 | |
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A1 being setup after roguing destroys no debate. Your use of this example makes a poor showing. A1 wasn't just a rogue out to upset the apple-cart and knock a few Joe_Nobodies before his demise, he was RHM to a CL waging a major war, the outcome of which was always going to decide the natural order. Likening him to a couple of chump captains fighting a desperate rear-guard action is hardly giving an accurate perspective on this. A1 won his war. Had the rogue captains of W1tchy won theirs, you can bet they would be standing before us now in bold. The fact is they didn't and were never likely to, so the phrase: "To the victor goes the spoils" seems to be beyond you when it shouldn't be. |
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| Reply by: Sledge-Hammer at Feb 15, '08 20:57 | |
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No one "allowed" A1 to do anything. He just did it, and no one stopped him. There are no "rules", but only principles. There is also a thing called "Power". Who was going to kill A1 for setting up in CHI? Anyone could have justified doing it, but who could do it? Should he have shot himself out of principle? Come on, man. This couldn't be any simpler. Your father wasn't killed for being a threat, but out of principle. No, I am not God, but I am correct here. You don't even have anything remotely resembling a rational argument. Open and closed case, if you will. For the love of God, you couldn't understand why a rogue setting up in Las Vegas couldn't be deemed one of Witchy's Captains! That is so absurd, why wouldn't I ask anyone to disregard this nonsense? I told everyone to disregard this rant because I don't see what is so hard to understand about this. |
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| Reply by: FlyingPig at Feb 15, '08 20:57 | |
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One more JonGotti wanted me to add his name in the ranting he felt left out so here we go. I don't know who you are, or care who you are, or what you represent, what your doogie's name is, or if you have an seedlings running around. How am I attracting all you people here? I must have hit a nerve. |
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| Reply by: Paranoia at Feb 15, '08 21:00 | |
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Hahahaha. You hit a nerve? I'm sorry. I must have been the one mailing you to insult you. Oh no wait... |
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| Reply by: j0ngott1 at Feb 15, '08 21:01 | |
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Some people prey on those that they can make look a fool or let them leave childish one liners. Despite this, Theres nothing much more to say that summerize. Signore Pig is right when he mentions your father was killed on principal, and the reason no-one challenged A1 was he had power and respect among those who also had power. You can't fight against that. Maybe your father's capo should have awaited his Don's advice, but he also made the decision to HQ your father, again down to his choice of Crew and Leader. |
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| Reply by: PaulieFerizzi at Feb 15, '08 21:04 | |
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Ok well this is done and over with. I layed down how I felt I saw it. I know many others see it the same way, and since so many CP have came in and destroyed my point I see no use in keeping at it. I abide you all fairwell. |
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| Reply by: Paranoia at Feb 15, '08 21:05 | |
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| I'm hearing some valid points from many people in this discussion, except the fact that there has been several times, a rogue CL killed and his/her thug RH brought into other crews and allowed to live. And Mr Gotti - I don't believe bringing up this young man's ancestor of several generations ago has anything to do with the current discussion. Also, again I am reading that Omerta has been broken - Omerta has to do with the mafia and the law. And a coffeeshop conversation is hardly breaking a code of silence of any kind as it is public. My biggest concern with all of this, as pointed out by others also is that a Captain of one family was ordered and obeyed the order from another CL without consulting his own first, I could certainly see his agreeing to pull this young man's gun on the demand of another CL but other action I would think should have waited until his CL gave the go ahead. | |
| Reply by: Tatiana at Feb 15, '08 21:05 | |
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| To be totally fair Tatiana I wouldn't have done had he not brought up Altitudes ancestor Surreal. We've all done things we're not proud of really, but you've got to expect like minded retaliation if you bring up ancestrial misdoings. | |
| Reply by: j0ngott1 at Feb 15, '08 21:12 | |
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Tatiana, my dear, you took the words right out of my mouth. Intervention had AphoticProphet killed for his work under the rogue leader LostPriest. This makes sense. If this was the whole story, it would be easy enough. However, there are some unanswered questions here. Why was Prophet's history an issue all of a sudden, when at the time of his hiring for Signore Intervention, it was a moot point? To me, this shows one of two things. Either Intervention wanted to take advantage of Prophet's earning capabilities for a time, and dispose of him then, or Intervention did not have the backbone to stand up for his member when another family leader turned up the heat on him. Signore Intervention, if it is the first scenario that is true, I commend you for your Machiavellian genius. You outsmarted Signore Prophet, and for that you deserve praise. The semi-bold suit that comes with Captaincy is a new endeavor within our community, and really has no precedent. But, the way I see it, a Captain of Family X has no responsibility to Family Head Y. Plain soldiers are not responsive to other leaders, why should Captains be? |
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| Reply by: SpiderPig at Feb 15, '08 21:18 | |
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I certainly hope it was the former scenario SpiderPig. Machiavellian is just a superb adjective. It's interesting to see the political quandaries we have with the brith of a new position also. |
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| Reply by: Orwell at Feb 15, '08 21:32 | |
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In a common family structure, the Don of a family would give orders out to his Capo's through either himself or his consigliere. Those Capo's would run Regimes, (Caporegime) of gangsters, also known as Outsiders, Associates, Enforcers and foot soldiers. these enforcers would be responsible for firing upon another family's members, hould the Don tell his Capo to tell them to do so. Now no-where there does it make sense for the capo to take orders from another family head, unless they are one and the same family. |
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| Reply by: PaulieFerizzi at Feb 15, '08 21:36 | |
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I believe a hypothetical situation is in order Paulie. If Don I is answerable to Don II and vice versa; then surely, according to your own stricture, Don I's Captains are answerable to Don II himself? And all that aside, is there not a possibility that the leaders, and captains, are working upon a system of mutual respect over anything else? |
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| Reply by: Orwell at Feb 15, '08 21:43 | |
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| That would make this not the mafia at all. | |
| Reply by: Doug-Butabi at Feb 15, '08 21:44 | |
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Possibly. I would understand if the order was given by a Godfather, or an agreed acting godfather over the two families, but as far as we can see from what has been said and revealed, one family head told anothers member what to do, and he did it. Regardless of if the Capo thought about it and decided it was the right thing to do, he still went on that Crew Leaders word that it was the right thing to do, rather than contact his own Don for advice. |
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| Reply by: PaulieFerizzi at Feb 15, '08 21:46 | |
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I fail to see the logic here. Don I and II are not answerable to each other. They run their own families in their own cities. Or, at least, they are supposed to. |
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| Reply by: SpiderPig at Feb 15, '08 21:49 | |
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