A fairly irrelevant Wise Guy (who looked a little bit like me) recently made a speech about us actually believing in family again. The majority of that discussion was spent talking about how our bosses need to respect the process and the organisation in order to be deserving of respect themselves, which seemed apt after a long period of external influences overriding it. He didn't discuss that members should also do the same, because he thought it was a given, turns out he was wrong. 

During the recent conflict, a number of people immediately sought employment with the very people who were trying murder their former organisation. I don't really blame those who awoke to a boss in the gutter, but if your leader was still alive, surely you appreciate this is a serious betrayal?

Knowing this, as I assume everyone must, I wondered how both the individuals who jumped and the bosses who protect them now feel about it? 

Is it fine? Should this just be par for the course? Or do they now have a black mark against them which must be erased? I'd love to know.

This is a fantastic point Grin i recall my relative being side by side with yours as they literally watched cowards jumping as the crew leader in question was still alive.For me this is a cardinal sin it is disgusting behaviour, i believe one of the members in question was capo or something along those lines? If loyalty cannot be taken seriously whats the fucking point? My relative Equinox had to watch people he regarded as friends turn their back on him and the rest of the loyal crew members who were left and let me tell everyone it wasn't many...shocking.

Now this is something that I was debating to come to the streets with myself.

I think that everyone has Thier own ways of thinking some of them believe they should out themselves before the leader they joined.

I can only speak for myself when I say, I will go down with this ship. 

Loyalty is a word that I would like people not to throw around lightly there are no in betweens here it's straight cut 

Are you loyal or not? 

It's pretty easy to see who is and isn't loyal. I think that this says alot for your family line and your kin would be more respected for being Loyal.

I would like to give and Example my Grandfather was JustinBieber he was at the time the RH to Xanxus. There were rumours of a member suspected as a proer for a rogue. To clear suspicions this member was shot. 

When this members kin returned to my grandfather and sent him a message to assure him he was not that person but enjoyed the time he spent with his family and wanted to join the family that failed to save his life. 

My grandfather immediately snapped up his offer and knew then that this member was a good one and him and his kin proved themselves many times over 

It is too bad you weren’t as loyal to your member as they were to you.  Why would you kill a person you agreed to protect because of rumors, and suspicions?  Anyone can say anything.  Lying is easy.

Have you yourself always been loyal to those who have been family and vouched for you, or do you tend to follow blindly the advice from others? Have you ever been in a position to be killed based on rumors yourself?  I can only imagine you wouldn’t find it too fun and would be less quick to come to the streets highlighting your poor choice. 

Can someone who has jumped ship more times than you truly comment on that Cogburn? your profile suggests you can't sit still with the amount of crews you have been in.

cogburn I don't think you understood what I was saying there I was the RH in the crew, and did not pull the trigger the decision was made my the powers above! 

And yes I can honestly say when my family line has been in the position of Crew leader they have always stood by Thier members.

I could give you some examples of you wish for me to elaborate even further?

Or did you just come here to try to pick fights, that is not what this thread that the kind gentleman Grin had intended

When did I ever jump any ship?  I worked for Peptide when I started, loyally.  I fought for him and protected him during Blackwater's countless battles, even though I personally did not agree with their tactics.  Find his ancestor and I am sure he will agree.  I joined Drake following his demise, who was very kind, for about three days.  It was a confusing time, very many leaders were killed in a short amount of time.  I appreciate his willingness to take me in.  I asked, and received his permission to leave and join a good friend in another city.  I was never made and I donated my meager earnings before I left. I woke to find my leader dead, a leader who had also not promoted me in the three days that I was working for him.  I received no communication from anyone in Detroit, and heard rumor that some of those left in Detroit were involved in my leader's murder.  I just hadn't had time to make connections within Detroit, but I did remember Drake's kindness, so I went back to Chicago.  Once I joined I worked, again, perfectly loyally to my leader, which I am sure he would also attest to were he still with us. Sadly, he didn't make it, but amazingly here I am, still in Chicago. 

Your comment is without merit Gyranit.

Ed, I wasn't really trying to pick fights, I apologize, it seems I misunderstood and believed it was your decision to remove your loyal member.  I wasn't really asking if you had been loyal to your members, though I am glad to hear that you have been.  

I was wondering if you as a member have always been loyal to the leaders  or people who vouched for you. 

Then hopefully this crew is the one you finally feel comfortable enough to settle in Cogburn sounds like you've had a long and Weary wander, you've managed to stay alive this long kudos to you.

To answer your question, my answer is Yes! Every time.

If my crew leader has been at war I have been there through thick and thin, fighting a losing battle I don't care I'm in. 

I will only ever be in one crew through the duration of my time here with Every character.

If my Crew leader dies I go down fighting. Whether I have pea shooter or a cannon whether I have 1 body guard or if I have hundreds. 

Please feel free to ask anyone about my Loyalty I will assure you the answer will be the same.

I have vowed my loyalty to Lust this time and will lay down my life to make sure I support her in every way possible

Nomad was standing by as he and his father's were great fans of Grins work, appreciating every word that he has to say and speaking so much sense. 

Loyalty is a word echoed so much in this world as it is what binds us together, it is something which takes alot of time to build and strengthen but merely seconds to destroy. 

​​​​​​Nomad knows of the events which took place that Ed was speaking about and has grown huge respect for any descendant of the famous JustinBieber, I too share this view that loyalty should remain within your family, after all what is a life worth living if you are disloyal 

The coffee shops are alight with rumours of seeing LA crew members appearing in a newly authed crew long before the LA acting GF was killed...

I must have read this over 5-10 times and I still don't understand it, care to elaborate? 

as my father was in LA fighting to the last minute i would also like this to be elaborated please, who when what?