SamAdams - https://mafiareturns.com/comm/thread/1495551#post-295494

Was in a container crew .... taken out by Durden (I get that during NORMAL game play, Durdens can, but in rebuild game mode ...... have a standard for fuck sake). Like everyone-else trying to build a account or a gun.

I like the game and will play always, but how is this fair? What, I was not high enough ranked? Sad. I wasted a ton of Petty and Felony points to get to where I was, only to die by a fire back, in rebuild?????

I will still play, but NEVER as much as I use to. Granted, I haven't bought as amny points (Credits) as before, but really???? A Durden death in rebuild???????

 Tried to post in locked thread (My bad). Posting here just so I can get my thoughts across. Don't lock it if you don't want replies.

It just sounds like a careless mistake mate, If you want to rebuild and not die then don't start shooting durdans you can't complain about that surely? stick to mia's and ria's there was plenty around and they are risk free.

The real questions should be: Don't Container crews suck? How many container crews uppers are active? How many are affiliated with the bi5ch slap take downs? How many will commit suicide? AND MORE Importantly, who you will be forced to go with? 

We are trying hard to get the container crewed members into permanent homes where they wish to take them and have more crews going up shortly.

Would you be able to confirm that the criteria contained in the opening post remains unchanged? There seems to be a view that Container CLs are able to remain up without Auth from the real leaders at the end of their tenure. Is this true?

I also assumed the 98% rebuild and no no-contacts applied from whenever that had begun to happen. Is that correct or is it only after the container CLs disband?

Thank you!

Thank you, that is very helpful.

Quick question : now that we have quite a lot of empty spots all over the country (in different cities/families), why are container crews still allowed to recruit ?

I agree they were needed when no space was available, but right now, allowing them to get new members make the problem worse... While container crews members move from their current families to other existing families, I feel like the number of people in the container crews should only go down by now.

That would allow to move in the right direction in a smoother way, by continuously reducing the number of people that must move out of LV, as well as progressively reducing the number of container crews through time.

Because without the container crews, there is not ample coverage for the job boards.

Ah. Do you have the numbers without the container crews involved ? I would be curious to have an idea where we currently stand.

By the way, I feel we are taking the problem backwards here.

People who were awarded a container crew were precisely people who were pretty active, who loved to recruit members, to teach them and to help them grow. Moreover, additional crew members from everywhere with the same profile were sent to the container crews in an effort to get into contact with the recruited people and to help them find their way.

Now that all these people are gone from the "regular" community, that we split the game in two, we reach the conclusion that without container crews, without these people precisely, we kind of lack a little something to reach a state you would like us to see functioning. Well, that is pretty much by design.

In my opinion, the problem does not lie in the regular crews anymore. We have the open spots : I count 75 people in LV, including people sent from people who were sent from a regular family, for 250+ open spots. We can hire them several times over. I highly doubt they can't find a suitable family among all the current possibilities.

If you include the people from the container crews in the regular families again, we will be fine. We will be where you want us to be. Like we always are some weeks after a war. The current issue lies precisely in this artificial split in the community, that was justified for a time, but that I don't see as necessary anymore.

I guess what I am getting at is : put all those sponsors in container crews in current families, and we will have pretty much the same metrics as we do now. So we will be fine. 

As one of those people that was sent by a family to a container crew to assist in helping individuals transition, I get the frustration.  I was very active in offering assistance both in the container crew and in the district.  I received absolutely no questions or requests for assistance.    It seemed there was no motivation for the transition to occur.  It was indeed frustrating.

That said the end to the container crew is totally in the hands of the current leadership.  They just have to meet these criteria:

Container crews will stay bold until the following conditions are met:

• We have 24/7 job coverage 98% of the time for 2 consecutive weeks.
• We have no more than 1 no-contact per crew, per day, for 2 consecutive weeks. 

 

 We are coming up on that 2 consecutive-week mark so if the non-container crews have done their jobs, than the container crews will soon be closing down.

I see that quite a few container crews are gone now.

Out of curiosity, would it be possible to know what kind of compensation the crew leaders who suicided got ? I heard about money to buy BGs, but no one was entirely sure if there was additional benefits or not (hustle points, credits, bonus stats, etc).

Also, what happens if a container crew leader does not suicide ? Is it up to the community to decide whether they should be allowed to continue to run their operations or not ? 

Also, what happens if a container crew leader does not suicide ? Is it up to the community to decide whether they should be allowed to continue to run their operations or not ? 

Seriously Elodin? 

Is it up to the community? LMAO This is not mafia!

I hope you are safe and healthy Squishy. Now to bust some balls.

Isn't seeking auth (container crew CL) pretty much the same as getting the communities approval?  

We are good Squishy. Thanks for asking.

I know the auth is granted by other leaders. THough those leaders are a small percentage of the community, they still have the upper hand and final say.  With their approval comes do as I say theme... It's bullshit.