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| Final Presidential Debate | Started by: Marie on Oct 23, '20 04:00 |
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So I just finished watching the last US Presidential Debate. I thought it was a relatively good debate. I thought the moderated did a decent job and I think we finally got to hear some specifics from each candidate. I feel like two narratives went down the drain: 1) Biden was able to prove he could stand there for 90 minutes and remain cogitative in his statements (yeah it was obvious he couldn't come up with Kim Jong-Un's name but that is relatively minor thing) 2) Trump is not evil incarnate. While it may seem a wash, I think Trump's comes out slightly better in that deal and as such you will see a narrowing in the polling. I thought there were several examples of Trump using hyperbole that will be fact checked as false (i.e. $100 trillion cost to GND) and several examples of falsehoods proclaimed by Biden that will not be examined or will simply be glossed over (the largest of which was his claimed that not one American lost their private health insurance from the ACA... some of us are old enough to remember the cancellation letters we received informing us that we could no longer keep our private plans). One thing on a personal note. I have been examining Biden's campaign site and I have many friends that have been telling me that it is all PR stuff and that I should focus on what Biden is saying in his speeches. Well I think the debate highlighted that it is more than just PR and that Biden does plan to transition towards those things. Trump was right when he pointed out how big of a deal Biden's statement of being against fracking and wanting to transition away from it was. I think it will cause the polls to shrink to within the margin of error in swing states like PA. |
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Is there anywhere I can view this online? I'm outside of US. This debate aside, I expect Trump to win the election. |
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| Reply by: RonSwanson at Oct 23, '20 08:36 | |
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Good summary Marie It sure looks to be close going into the final week. I was surprised myself by the result of the 2016 election, but one would have to think if the Chinese have any hackers, they will be supporting Biden, while the Russian ones will be supporting Biden. He's old school. Putin knows he can control US. I think the ability to mute both candidates helped with the debate and interruptions. The first was a farce. |
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| Reply by: SamRind at Oct 23, '20 09:47 | |
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I wish they would go back to the old way debates that were much more cordial. Wether or not you are R or D if you have to agree these debates are a shitshow. |
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| Reply by: Uncle_Nicky at Oct 23, '20 12:01 | |
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| I can’t wait for it to be over. I think there will be many changes seen in the next few weeks. Hopefully we keep our way of life and don’t move toward total government control. A United States led by the left would be a scary place right now. | |
| Reply by: DannyGreene at Oct 23, '20 14:49 | |
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i enjoyed your summary...i agree that Trump won this one and i'm not a fan...i was surprised at his demeanor and only wish he had comported himself so well during his presidency |
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| Reply by: EstherScarpati at Oct 23, '20 14:59 | |
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i am sorry i didn't watch it after last one , they both act like babies. We need a proper Presidents not little kids. But what i you it was much better this time. But still kind late since a lot have already voted. Now i hope everyone else didn't get out and vote will. |
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| Reply by: SarahAnn at Oct 24, '20 00:09 | |
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I watched it and thankfully it wasn’t nearly as bad as the first one. They were a bit more civil towards one another, though there were definitely still moments when they sounded like bickering elementary school kids. Honestly, I’m just looking forward to the election being over and done with. Tired of seeing all the political ads. |
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| Reply by: Magnolia at Oct 24, '20 01:31 | |
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I watched some of it... it wasn't too bad... I really am scared Biden will win tho tbh.... and that terrifies me... Trump isn't exactly a great person... but at least his views make sense. |
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| Reply by: Ace_Of_Spade at Oct 24, '20 02:43 | |
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I watched it. MUCH better than the first. I think Trump came out a bit ahead. |
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| Reply by: Dominic_P_Strollo at Oct 24, '20 04:01 | |
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thisi debate went much better for both parties this time around. They both sounded semi competent without seeming too bad either way. American politics will be interesting this year. For me personally, it did look like Trump came out slightly ahead of Biden this debate. It went so much better than the first debate and better than the VP debate lol. Very excited to be done and done with the election though. |
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| Reply by: Avocato at Oct 24, '20 06:16 | |
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The mic muting definitely helped out and this debate was a lot more civil than the past one. Still, I can't wait for the election to be over already... |
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| Reply by: SirMcLovin at Oct 24, '20 10:34 | |
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I'll admit I did not watch it. I was at a friend's wedding. Anyways, it didn't matter how the debate went. President Trump is winning this again in a couple of weeks. The left just has plan for anything and will say whatever to win. For example, you cannot just say you're getting rid of fossil fuels. We cannot just conform to another form of energy by just saying it. Along with that, where is the money going to come from? Molecularly, it is the most cheapest option out of all forms of energy. Get real. |
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| Reply by: Alexei at Oct 24, '20 13:20 | |
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I don't think that's necessarily true, Alexei. Costs for renewable energy production have been almost constantly trending down, especially as the technological infrastructure has developed to allow for a greater shift in the energy industry. https://www.forbes.com/sites/dominicdudley/2019/05/29/renewable-energy-costs-tumble/#33bb310ce8ce https://www.irena.org/publications/2020/Jun/Renewable-Power-Costs-in-2019
The world oil reserves supply is only going to last approximately 47 years, so why not shift to alternative sources (or, renewable)?
Even the U.S. Navy has seen an incentive in shifting away from fossil fuels, reaching their 50% renewable energy consumption goal in 2015, 5 years ahead of what they had planned to reach in 2020. Not only did this increase force longevity, but it also increased force lethality and capability. https://www.secnav.navy.mil/eie/documents/donstrategyforrenewableenergy.pdf
Therefore, I think it's wrong to say that these shifts can not happen. If the U.S. Navy can make changes to accommodate for a better future, why should the rest of the country hold off on it? It's not about totally getting rid of fossil fuels, but it definitely is about making an industry-wide shift for a long-term beneficial result. The only reason it happens slower on a national level are immediate implementation costs and the huge lobbying arm of the fossil fuels industry, whereas the change in the U.S. Navy occurred far faster due to is relatively higher insulation from special interests. |
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| Reply by: Grouse at Oct 27, '20 19:27 | |
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Didn't watch the debate. Didn't need to. I only vote based off who would win in a fight. Which is why I voted Hillary last election and will be voting for Jesse Ventura this year. |
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| Reply by: Marley at Oct 28, '20 00:00 | |
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for starters, i dont watch the debates. if you vote for biden you are actually voting for Harris. The Dems will invoke the 25th amendment. trump is the lesser of the 2 evils |
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| Reply by: JoeyJoJo at Oct 28, '20 00:15 | |
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The truth is I have only really followed the whole presidential campaign via papers in UK fact-checking what is said at debates and on the road, and the number of lies by both sides makes me wonder if either should be in politics. It was as if they never knew their own policies, how it would affect people, and the real time frame. |
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| Reply by: Carlo_Brescati at Oct 28, '20 00:46 | |
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Just like last time - it is time to pick between shit & shit. I hope Trump pulls through. |
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| Reply by: Forgotten at Oct 28, '20 16:42 | |
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I haven't watched any of them. I cannot even stomach looking at or listening to anything that Trump has to say! The dude makes my blood boil. 🤢 |
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| Reply by: Raz at Oct 29, '20 00:24 | |
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Watched bits and pieces after the fact. Both did far better than before. As a fiscal conservative and social moderate, I find it hard to vote for Biden. Trump would not have been my top pick for the Republican Party, but he's not nearly as evil as some make him out to be. |
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| Reply by: Avni-II at Oct 30, '20 10:39 | |
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