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| Pickpocketing Conventions | Started by: ArchieArcher on Jul 12, '11 07:18 |
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Archer had been doing a lot of thinking lately. He was still becoming familiar in the ways of this world, and a lot of what he saw confused, shocked, or disappointed him. Late one night, he wandered into the streets and began a conversation with the first person who would give him the time of day. He hoped that he would find answers this way. |
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"asking first should be the standard everywhere"
No idea what ever gave you the impression that being asked first wasn't the standard? As a person well known around these parts for the practice of which you speak, i'm sure you'll find that many of those whom i've taken money from have either consented to this or have a public display of the fact they have no issue with someone attempting. Seldom should you find people randomly jumping into someones pocket where there has been no prior warning, either that be from a personal request or the fact they have the aforementioned display on them.
I believe those walking around with a show of disapproval for the practice of pickpocketing do so purely because they do not wish to be approached. If someone has this display of disapproval, it also warrants that anyone found to be entering there pockets is acting against their will and can be seen as attacking them. I understand you view the act of Pick Pocketing itself as an attack, I find this view to be somewhat out dated to be honest. Sure, there is a small financial loss on the "victim", but other than that, what real harm is it doing? I'd love to understand why certain people don't permit people to pick their pocket, surely the fact the amount you can lose can be regarding from a handful of post offices that you'll no doubt knock over soon after, shows that it's of no real concern?
Also, there is an upside to allowing it. If you are able to evade the attempt, there is a chance that you'll be able to pick the pocket of the person who tried and there are far greater rewards at this time, much greater than the lowly 5,000 that you could have lost. To use one as an example, after a recent contest in St Louis someone made an attempt for my pocket and due to their misfortune they ended up losing around 8 million. That alone shows you the value of being skilled at such a trait.
Now, I appear to be going off on tangent a little so i'll try and wrap things up. In short, I think Pick Pocketing should be encouraged more so, rather thatn discouraged. Its a trait that our gods put at our disposal and can be fun if you let it be, there are also rewards from the gods if you mange to pilfer certain amounts of pockets in each city, that in itself is a good reason to dabble in it from time to time.
I would like to now pass the ball back into the court of someone, anyone, that doesn't approve of Pick Pocketing and ask for an actual reason as to why. Please, no half hearted complaints of how its an attack on you or the fact you lose a little cash, as most people are more than happy to return the cash so we know there is no issue there. Is anyone able to give a good reason for not allowing it, other than they simply don't like it? |
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| Reply by: AlabamaWorley at Jul 12, '11 09:00 | |
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Thank you, first of all, for gracing us with your presence. I hope I don't come across as rude when I say that I disagree with you to an extent. |
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| Reply by: ArchieArcher at Jul 12, '11 09:54 | |
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Rude? Not at all. Apologies if I gave off the impression you had spoke out of turn at all. If anything your points were raised very well. Now, back to the topic at hand.
I'll agree with on the point you make regarding those who dip into pockets without permission. I am not alone in the art of Pick Pocketing, I know many others that hone their skill in it and I am aware that not all of them are respectful of others wishes and may occassionally steal from those that would rather not have their pockets picked. I'd like to join you in encouraging people to be respectful and only attempt to steal from those that you know allow you to do so, or ask permission when unsure.
Strangely, though, its these unprovoked and unwanted attacks that first set my ancestors onto the path of being a good theif. So annoyed with the constant loss of earnings was my Grand mother that she decided to teach those people a lesson and she trained night and day to better those people and steal back all of those lost earnings. Eventually she learned to enjoy the art of picking pockets because of this and made many MANY friends along the way, something I failed to add as a plus in my earlier points. Though often we may come across those that do not wish to have their pocket picked, more often than not we come across those that are non plussed with it and sometimes even happy to oblige, its then that we find new people to talk and new connections to make. So.. back on point - you mention earlier and attacks against other crime familigia, how about the fact you also get the chance to trade wits with people from other cities and become friends, make connections? Surely thats a major flip side on this perception?
To emphasise that last point even more, my Father JosiahGordonScurlock became the Right Hand man to a woman named Killer_Jane, if not for my Grandmothers skills in the art of picking pockets, Killer_Jane would likely have neither met nor ever known much about my father, certainly not enough to trust him with such a high position. This again shows that the people you meet on your travels in and out of pockets can help establish strong connections not only for you, but for your entire bloodline as you will often form a friendship with these people.
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| Reply by: AlabamaWorley at Jul 12, '11 10:27 | |
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Well, I speak from experience when I say 2 things...
1: It's only 5 grand you anti-pp greedy peoples.
2: Just bank your cash if you want to keep all of the green moniez. |
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| Reply by: Aldo at Jul 12, '11 11:21 | |
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The debate of pickpocketing is always one that sparks interest, especially with me. I like bama have met many people from different cities who enjoy the fine art. If I had No Pickpocketing on my suit then I wouldn't of met these people, but we have a common ground I read my father's journals and he spoke about a friendship he built with Vector and our bloodlines have now become good friends since. |
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| Reply by: Guiseppe at Jul 12, '11 11:27 | |
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Pickpocketing, I remember a time that not all are into this sport , ( well it still isn't ) . But as 'Bama said there are loads of gains on it , same as having new friends. I wouldn't meet my bloodline boyf if it weren't for the plucking of each other's wallets when me meet at the same city. |
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| Reply by: Jade at Jul 12, '11 14:03 | |
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Trevor had been lingering around listening to the conversation. Having had his attention caught by Aldo he turns to him.
On one of your points I have a curiousity. You called people greedy because they didn't want to lose the small chunk change of 5k. Would it really be greedy if they were saving to make a large tribute to their crewleader? or they were saving up maybe to host a competition of some sort? Would it then be okay to be "greedy"?
My point is there could be many reasons someone may not want to be pickpocketed besides viewing it as an attack of some sort. I think people's wishes should be respected regardless of your own opinion. |
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| Reply by: Trevor at Jul 12, '11 15:41 | |
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Listening to the discussion, Crawford chimes in. |
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| Reply by: Crawford at Jul 12, '11 16:40 | |
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Crawford, as yet the changes being made to our world by the Gods are not entirely known. While Jade, and myself, previously believed that the art of Pick Pocketing will help to enhance one's stealthyness, it is apparently not the case. Apparently the idea being put in place right now is more in the lines of a training station, much like that of the shooting range that people use, as opposed to using the means of PPing to enhance your stealth. That being the case, your previous point is unfortunately removed as there will be no change in the outcome of PPing, it will be no more harmful or beneficial than it currently is.
I must stress, though, the above is all just word of mouth and i've not heard any talk from Gods to confirm any of it. |
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| Reply by: AlabamaWorley at Jul 12, '11 18:24 | |
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Well, interesting to here that update. For some reason I'd thought I'd read that pickpocketing would be a factor, as you'd previously believed as well. Learn something new every day, I suppose. Thank you, Don Worley, for that important knowledge! |
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| Reply by: Crawford at Jul 12, '11 18:35 | |
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Same here, just found out about it. It would have been of a good use when pickpocketing will be help to improve stealthness in the mere future. |
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| Reply by: Jade at Jul 12, '11 22:16 | |
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It might just me, but it seems pickingpocketing these days doesn't seem to be that popular or widely done on the streets. I remember back in the father's day people would just pickpocket each other, there was a certain etiquette of course but most people didn't mind. If you didn't have a "signboard", that was pretty much meant you were fair game. These days it's seem like more a hassle, and asking before pickpocketing just seems to defeat the whole purpose of pickpocketing. Pickpocking is almost becoming as unpopular as graverobbing, two aspects that most people neglect. |
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| Reply by: Joe_Bonanno at Jul 26, '11 13:00 | |
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Graverobbing isn't just neglected, its simply not a job many of us are able to do. |
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| Reply by: AlabamaWorley at Jul 26, '11 14:03 | |
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You enjoy it so much as you love putting your hands in pockets to find surprises Alabama.
As for those who dont like being on the end of it, one would hazard a guess at they feel violated, or even attacked, so frown on the very act so much. In fact, the art of pick pocketing and graverobbing is actually deemed as an attack, perhaps if it was measure a different way. maybe people would feel less threatened by the act.
That's a point for another area though. |
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| Reply by: Klasky at Jul 26, '11 15:23 | |
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I have one thing to ask. Are we girl scouts, or hardened criminals?
If someone has the balls to reach into my pocket, that is perfectly fine with me. Have at it. However, don't be surprised if I catch you in the process and tax you for your poor decision. |
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| Reply by: Perugglez at Jul 26, '11 15:26 | |
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Cassi stands there listening to the speech being made. Furrowing her brow, she begins looking up and down the street, making sure she is still standing in a crime city and not inside an amish community. She cleared her throat as she stepped forward to speak. |
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| Reply by: Cassi at Jul 26, '11 17:43 | |
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Honestly, Cassi, I completely agree with you. Unlike mobsters, however, we have accepted allowing anyone and everyone to rummage through our stuff, take our cash, and skip away laughing. The most common manner of recourse is to whine to your leader and then have that leader contact the leader of the offending party, tip-toe through some niceties, and then ask for a "tax" from the thief. This is ridiculous. |
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| Reply by: ArchieArcher at Jul 26, '11 18:07 | |
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I do not see anything wrong with a retaliation of sorts. Though it depends on what you deem proper punishment for the offense. Do I believe that anyone should die over any pickpocketing offense. Never. That is my strict stance. I've seen people do far more and receive far less punishment. To be killed over sticking your hand in someone's pocket is just a bit extreme in my opinion. But if one can think of a retaliation that is of equal measure to a pickpocket, by all means enforce it! |
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| Reply by: Cassi at Jul 26, '11 18:22 | |
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There aren't many options in terms of punishment. Demotion's considered a favor, as you're able to load up on bodyguards. There is an ever-increasing amount of money in circulation. Guns can easily be earned again and would be returned early if a threat arose. I don't believe people fear any of these punishments. The only thing that people care about--especially with the average lifespan lengthening--is death. |
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| Reply by: ArchieArcher at Jul 26, '11 18:42 | |
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