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Standards | Started by: LoveGun on Jul 12, '11 21:39 |
Hickey, you are a Don for Detroit, I can respect that you would be defensive towards a speech that has not made any clear accusations, but whose context is clear. To that point, I will be happy to put things in the open, as it seems to be a driving point. A few nights ago, the Bonaserita incident occurred and caused New York a great deal of loss. Immediately following that incident, Godfather Premeir suffered a very public insult by the Consigliere TheGreenFairy of Detroit on New York's management. She was summarily dealt with and the issue put to bed for the time being. Not 48 hours later, the RHM of the entire city of Detroit made a very similar attack on New York's Godfather and the way he operates HIS city and found himself buried next to TheGreenFairy.
This speech could easily have pertained to that specific set of events, but it didn't. I've worked with both New York and Detroit long enough to know both city heads, and that the issue was handled amicably and with respect to each other. I'd imagine this speech was a result of witnessing those events and other punishments for disrespect that have sprung up recently, and being genuinely curious where our current state of our standards resides at.
I did the very same thing the other day after the Bonaserita mess occurred. I took one event and asked a generalized question of whether or not we as a community are too quick to jump on top of somebody based on past actions instead of waiting for the facts to reveal themselves. This is the same process many of our speeches have been formed under for generations, and while I'm glad to see a Don step up for his city, I think once the question was answered it was probably best to remove yourself instead of keeping up with the inquisition. |
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Reply by: Roman at Jul 13, '11 23:55 | |
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My question at the start was mainly directed at Lovegun since she made the thread, she had given me the answer. I think we'll it at that. |
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Reply by: Hickey at Jul 14, '11 00:07 | |
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After TheBigEasy's nightly stroll through the park he decides he wants to sit down and have a cup
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Reply by: TheBigEasy at Jul 14, '11 00:08 | |
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I'd take a stab and stay that a significant part of the reason that standards have somewhat dropped are because of the never-ending rat race that consumes each city in their efforts to compete with others. |
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Reply by: Obscura at Jul 14, '11 00:32 | |
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Jimmy stepped off his airplane.. it has been a rough couple weeks for business with the loss of friends, expenses and problems both at home and on the streets where he was conducting business.. Jimmy could hear all the talks about standards, changes and where our world is at.. Looking around he took a seat next to a window and started to scribble some thoughts onto a piece of paper while waiting for his connecting airplane |
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Reply by: JimmyNapoli at Jul 15, '11 19:01 | |
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Hearing the words of several well know and respected mobsters Paul feels he must speak his mind.
Standards hmmm yes standards. We have chosen to be part of our own little sociaty thats apart from the normal sociaty the nine to five slaves live in. We do this for many reasons but common for us all are we have the courage to carve out our own fortune and live a life of wealth and excitement instead of going to the threadmill of a normal job.This must or should atleast mean we are hardass that are ambitious and strive for the top and who are not afraid of jail or death. So how to set standards for this sort of men, how to make em respect not only the leaders but the very essence of this thing of ours...in my mind a gun wont work nor will threats of no promotions or fines...This sort of people must be lead by example, they must be inspired and most importantly they must be made to feel apart of something bigger than just a lose group of people doing post office jobs and drug deliverys. That is to me the essence, the feeling of belonging to a family, if you have that feeling youll respect your boss and go to the grave for him with a smile...so thats very the work should be put in. Communication making people feel apart. So are the cls now party arrangers or clowns that should make their crew happy by any means NO certainly not, but alot of work should be put into making that family feel and to making sure that the talk goes and a bigger thing is buildt than the sum of the people in the crew...marietta was mentioned here...my bloodline came to these shores and grew up in motor city, and i do know that this was just what i felt...Part of something bigger, respected, inspired to respect other and seen and heard. That being said i agree with the prior speakers argument that the ways thing are done should not be just like it was done in the past succesfull or not. But the essence is that standards are set by the way the leaders behave and treat their men...not by stricter rules |
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Reply by: Paul_Trabotti at Jul 15, '11 19:48 | |
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Watching for a while as the tone of discussion rises and falls, he sits on a box crunching into an apple.
New abilities, competions and features of society bring query, caution and concerns from some sectors of our society but sometimes i think is the only thing that keeps our society alive. I have read the journals of my forefathers about the difference between numbers of members back in the day, bodyguards, rank speed etc which all have had an impact on our societty.
Building a person up with strong values starts at the base recruiting the right people, or recruiting people who can be shaped into the right people in my opinion. Training the people so they know what they are doing, and then when authed making sure they are ready for it, but giving the right support at each stage. The person who then started as a student is now closer to the masters level and can then implant his knowledge on others as something you can only learn when working your way up and learning where your hired goons keep their information.
I have been lucky we live in a time where most members of our society have a higher standard of self preservation, intelligence, ambition and patience. I watch as i see people become more then they thought they could, and the rewards to themselves and I in the process. I believe when a rule is broken though the punishment has to fit the crime, if someone is newer to the world you dont shoot them for a mis-post, or something spoke in the wrong alley; where a matter of family business or dangers to the family are created then the people die in mysterious circumstances but they need to learn why so the next of kin doesnt repeat the same error.
Although to a degree some standards have dropped, others have rose. The hard work of members, the willingness to donate i have found, team work and communication have been great since I set up shop plus is a lot more room for respectful discussion instead of accusation and insult as i have seen in the past. Though problems still exist we dont suddenly join an enterprise and become perfect, and even with training and time, their is always something we can work on. In any other enterprise this is the same, so although we are often coming into this world more capable and enthusiastic, we have to be careful we dont get ahead of ourselves with what we say in that confidence and enthusiasm. |
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Reply by: BeachBum at Jul 17, '11 04:50 | |
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