Quite sure this has been mentioned. Quite sure it is worth mentioning again. At some point a line needs to be drawn in the sand, as a long time player and someone who has loved this game for a long time and enjoyed the community, it has bothered me for a long long time, that someone who basically owns the game is also the same person who basically controls the userbase.

Wow, you are top of the game, you are one of the owners for fuck sakes. I am not accusing you of cheating, but I imagine the person who oversees, helps run and owns the game should not be allowed to take on any position of power within it. Scott has managed to survive for as far back as I can remember without having to dominate in game. You know every little detail, will know of anyone who could have potentially shot you at any point. Not going to accuse you here, but, the scope for abuse is HUGE. If a user annoys you, if you find yourself a little short on cash, if you feel like you need another 100 BGs, or you feel your casino isn't making enough money, or just basically any sort of violation you can think of. It is in the nature of man, that when there is room for exploitation and excessive abuse of power, it typically gets abused. You answer to no one, you have absolute power in every conceivable sense.

Surely as someone who sits in a position of power, and as an owner you must have some responsibility to the userbase for fair and ethical behaviour. I am not saying for a minute that you have cheated, just that at any given point you can. Admins shouldn't be allowed to be crewleaders, and for a long time I remember admin account being suspended during times of being CL.

I am sure your hordes of whores and minions will flock to your defense and say "OH NOEZ ROMAN BASHING NOOB" or "HE WOULDZ NEVA DOEZ THATS", but at the back of their mind they will wonder for a monent if you have abused it. Knowing you, you probably have.

*shrug*

1 simple question, where is his admin account?

Its easy to say things like this from the outside looking in, but when you see the work that Roman has put into his account to make it what it has become....I think you'd see differently.  He's put in the necessary effort to be on top for as long as he has.  Hes endured the sleepless nights of wacking/bgs and wars. 

People like you who complain about the game are too lazy to change it

He is not the sole owner, of course he's answerable to people. Squishy for example, would never allow such cheating to occur. So much so that every administrator, assistant and HD move is tracked and documented by the system. As Karma already pointed out too, I don't see an active administrator account for Roman?

To be honest, when you started talking I was listening and saying "Fair point" and I respected your opinion until you descended into more of a bitching and accusing frame of mind. *That* is why you will have hordes of people shooting you down like a clay pidgeon. Back it up. Prove it. Show something of worth and say something that is worth the time it takes to read it.

http://mafiareturns.com/news/uprofile.php?id=40478

Had that account for what? 18 months as a user? Lolz.

JJ, coming to his defense as a RHM is probably not from the most unbiased source :/

Bit of a difference between what help desk and what admins see. Nothings going to change your jaded mind, no sense trying to prove to you other wise

Just as easily as you can say from my perspective im biased i can say the same of yours.  You cant honestly say that youre opinion isnt biased, because its pretty clear cut it is. 

I have no share in it either way, why would I care?

Just saying that there is a lot of potential for abuse and that he should have some sort of ethical responsibility to set clearer boundaries between player and admin.

If it is any consolation you have always been the one honest and open minded person here, without exception. I honestly don't think players should have any sort of Admin/Helpdesk accounts. I singled out BBT, because of his rather substantial ego, also the fact that he has a stake in the game.

I really have no demonic conversion plans, and hope the people continue to play, and the game is actually looking really good. The gameplay on the other hand, is something quite different...

You can't honestly sit there and tell me that having an Admin account affords you not advantage for game play over the rest of the user base.

Also yes, I am a stealthy ninja. Can't express an opinion safely on here anymore.

"It is in the nature of man, that when there is room for exploitation and excessive abuse of power, it typically gets abused."

It is in the nature of weak people who can not hold themselves to a high standard to take advantage of the system.

Billy did not get to where he is by cheating, When you log on from your proxy to hide who you are, take a look at the user list, and see if Roman is online.

Imagine that he is online more then 90% of the players, he is a Godfather but still pettys and jails more then 90% of the players.

I have been online in irc with him, hunting IA's, going for bgs.

Billy got to his place through hard work and dedication. To say otherwise just shows you are not an old time player, you are not a vet, and you have no understanding of the game.

It took billy years to build his amazing rep and he wouldnt ruin it, and doesnt even have the ablity to ruin it by petty cheating.

"If a user annoys you, if you find yourself a little short on cash, if you feel like you need another 100 BGs, or you feel your casino isn't making enough money, or just basically any sort of violation you can think of."

Lets see, a little short on cash, he could ask his 5 leaders with 50 member crews to send him cash.

He was hitlisted for 100 million, and raised 200 million in an hour through his leaders and friends. Why didnt he just cheat?

If a user annonys him, he could just shoot them, why would he need an admin account to do that.

And what would he do to his casino? Make it shit gold?

Billy and IZzy are two of my oldest and best friends on this game and otherwise, so sitting here acting like a 10 year old slandering peice of shit isn't going to score you any points.

The fact is, people like you can't accomplish anything, because you automaticly accept your defeat, you arent willing or cabale of putting in enough work to affect any of us.

You beat yourself before i even could.

At least I can spell, puncuate properly and have a general grasp on reality.

My IQ is also north of 85.

Who bought your BG's again? Which city did you start in again? Who authed you again? Who's bitch are you again?

I can speak for Premier in saying he has been here for as long as I can remember, and as I have seen he's done a pretty damn good job of it. Just because someone has success from long weeks of working hard, doesn't mean that they should be punished! That means they should be praised!

And that is all I needed to do to prove my point that you are just a sad child "omg premeir just made me look stupid so imma call him a bitch". I could care less about your iq since you are still not smart enough or good enough to even get close to beating me

Hawk it wasnt always a HelpDesk account, that must have changed quite recently.

As for your lazy comment JJ, let's work out the math on this situation shall we?

I would hazard a guess that Roman has around 400 BG's... but we shall say he has 300 in this case as I'm confident he will have at LEAST that amount. And l'm pretty sure that after having a GF account last time around, he would have used some sort of defence based answers to avoid being shot early on with his account but again... we'll go lower and say he had 50 wack, 50 defence on sign up.

Most people here use the formula of for every BG someone has, you need 5 kills to "get through it", but again.. we'll take a lower number and say it is 4 kills per BG needed. Sooo... times the 300 BG's he has by 4 equals 1200, plus the 50 he got from sign up, that's a base defence meaning you would need 1250 kills to shoot through it.

Now bear in mind the above figure doesn't include any competition win defence boosts,missed shots on him, a HQ defence boost, full HQ defence boost AND Godfather defence boost. So the actual figure would probably be closer to 1500 kills needed to get through his defence.

But again.. back we go to the 1250 figure, because it's a lower, more "get-able" figure.

Now.. ask any hitsquad leader who is willing to share and they will tell you that they are happy if members of their hitsquad are averaging 3 kills per day. Obviously some will get more, but a lot more will get less.

Now 3 kills per day on average over the span of a year (365 days) equals 1095 kills per year, this is not taking into account days that people are on holiday, not able to get online or just have no luck when IA racing. We're still 155 kills short of our target so at 3 kills per day, we're talking at least another 50 days, so that is FOUR HUNDRED AND FIFTEEN DAYS to rack up enough kills to have a chance of being able to shoot him. This is all assuming that in those 415 days, he has no other defence boosts (LOL).

So tell me HOW you come to the conclusion that everyone is lazy? It would take well over a year and an insane amount of hours (to average 3 kills per day I'd imagine you need to spend at least 5 hours a day online, at LEAST), bearing in mind that wackback is 1%,you would also need to dodge the wackback death screen at LEAST 12 times. Staying alive without taking a shot is hard enough for 415 days with wars, takedowns, leader getting wackback, random wacks, etc.

It's amazing that when people are in power they forget how hard it is to rack up the kills when you're not "in the circle".

I used all minimum figures here, I actually think you need very close to 2000 kills to be able to kill Roman.

Apologies but I don't consider that when you dont want to waste 5 hours per day for almost 60 weeks as lazy. You're basically asking people to give up their social lives for over a year to be able to kill Roman. The game is supposed to be FUN, not HARD WORK.

I didn't ask you to take away anything from anyone Squishy. I was just retorting to JJ's "lazy" comment.

Yes, it is possible, I know this, but I and many many others are not willing to throw away our lives in order to do so.

"Yes, it is possible, I know this, but I and many many others are not willing to throw away our lives in order to do so."

So the lack of effort on your part means that it is too hard?

You don't even need to train a serious account, get 20 people to shoot at someone's bodyguards once they go asleep wow look at that, now he went from 400 to 10 in a day.

You being to lazy and to useless to put in enough work isn't my fault, its yours.

Here comes Premeir, flying in with the insults.

When you are not in power Prem, do you know how hard it is to get 20 people together (and not die while ranking and getting some kills) , also without the info being leaked. I think you're deluding yourself into thinking there are hundreds and hundreds of players available to do this. There are not. At most there are 80-120 active players online at any given time (the rest are NPM's). So you're saying it's easy to get 20% of the total online population to shoot at a Godfathers bodyguards. Bear in mind that between yourself and Roman, you have around half the sites active players in your own families so we can take them out of the equation. So what you're really asking me is to get 20 players out of a probable pool for 40-60 active players (so 33%-50%) to line  up and waste their accounts? Plus.. note the fact that not ALL will get multiple shots in... after 3-4 rounds of shooting, it would probably be down to about 10 shooters and would gradually decline in numbers the further into it they get.

It's easy to shit on people from way up high Prem. Oh so easy.

"When you are not in power Prem, do you know how hard it is to get 20 people together (and not die while ranking and getting some kills)"

Seeing as i have done it before, i dont think it is that hard.

Because i don't just talk, i back up my words with action, i don't come here and say how i've been playing for 10 years and im so unhappy but i dont have the skills, dedication, or even the know how to do anything.

"Here comes Premeir, flying in with the insults."

Not really insults, it is facts, you dont have what it takes to be better then me.

"It's easy to shit on people from way up high Prem. Oh so easy."

And i didn't make an account and auto become a Godfather, i went from thug to Godfather just like everyone else, so lets not pretend no one has a chance to do anything when people do it everyday. The difference is they put effort into action, instead of effort into crying.