I'm complaining about the loss of desire for people to bother achieving the rank.

I only want to address this comment.

The reason I see many people have lost the desire to achieve anything above Wiseguy or even Made is due to the constant rotation of the same crew leaders. Same people just a different name.   Maybe just Maybe if it was made a point (by "the Commission" we all know who runs the game) to authorize different bloodlines maybe even throw a few new bloodlines( and not just for the occasional show of look it is a new bloodline), this desire you want to see in people wanting to go beyond Wiseguy or Made will fire up again. 

Peeking his head in after almost 2 years to the day of being gone. Some nice ideas to add maybe but I wonder where the statistics to show the bleeding of players here. Seems like its got about as many as it did just different names.

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In a way it did say that.

Doesnt matter if you rub one out or in as long as you end with a grin.

Having started playing this game a few years back and leaving and only returning early this year, perhaps I can give some insight on what made me leave to begin with.  This is a 24/7 365 days a year game.  As such if you don't devote pretty much every moment you can spare you are at a handicap.  The game has no means for you to take a day or 2 off let alone a week, without losing all the work you did on a character.  So anyone playing any other game or that consistantly works over 40 hours a week can find this game difficult to play and get places. 

At the time I found the game fun and interesting but after a couple months realized I could not keep up with others, as I did not have the free time to allow me to do so and with the constant threat of losing my character to those more active.  Once my character died while I was off-line I called it quits.  I had to many other things going on and I could not afford to be more active at the time.

Now what I would suggest is a means that every character can designate 8-12 hours a day that they are off/sleeping.  During this time if a character is not logged into the game they get certain benefits if they are active then they just lose out on these bonuses.  Now what I suggest is that the bonus makes those individuals much harder to locate (after all the character is inactive), also I would make all BG's much more effective (after all someone sitting in a fixed location is easy to set up protection on).  I would even have BG's fire back.  I would also look at giving people a bigger bonus on shooting active characters in the game, for one it is more challenging and a lot more risky.  Don't let people that are back shooting or shooting a stationary target get the same reward with no risk.

I think doing something like this would make people stay around, after all getting killed all the time when you are not active sucks.  I have no issue starting over, but when it happens I at least want to be playing the game when I died.  Starting over everytime because someone killed you while you were not playing tends to get old.

Since I only come back because I want to write, I find it really annoying that when my character dies, all the hard work writing just drops from VIP. The freebies from it are often the kick in the ass I need to stop avoiding replying to something on the other side of the country. Even if the points in the lotto are cut in half, I would love to still be paid out for my efforts since its rarely my fault I've been killed... unless ya know, I'm doing one of those fancy suicides. 

The other thing I think you should do is have Perks that would simply freeze the game for a player for a length of time.  Everything for you character freezes in time for a certain amount of days.  This effectively would allow people to go on Vacation or have a short time away from the game and not lose their character.  It would also prevent people knowing they are going to be gone for a period of time and cause trouble as they will likely be killed before they come back anyway why not go out with a bang.

I look at it like you want to do something to make it where these characters can be played later and not suicide on the other players in the game.

I'd still like to see changes made to reinvigorate the game. We're just over a year on down the line and the game is still losing players, hell the players that are still here can't even be assed to log in for an hour a week. I have lost track of the number of Rogue crews that have popped up due to inactivity, and I expect even more to throw their toys out of the p[ram and leave for an extended period when their crew is disbanded because the Hands or CL can't be bothered to even log in for a week.

I, like a few other around here have committed a huge amount of time and resources to playing MR over the years, and it would be a shame if it disappeared completely. And its not because its a browser game in the 2020s either. i play another browser game, there are characters on it that are 15 and 16 years old (there's no permadeath, so different to MR) but there are over 40,000 active players a day, and an active player count of almost 200k who log in a few times a week or month. 

MR could be like that too. I remember when 2,000+ people played .org. We used to have crews of 200 people. Now we struggle to fill crews of 30. The game needs a complete revamp and refresh. The playing field needs to be levelled, and things need to be put in place to stop the same dozen folks from simply being CL, dying, coming back, being a hand, getting a crew again and again and again. Perhaps something akin to if you have been a CL or Hand and Die, you can't be a CL or Hand again for 30 days, hard coded into the game. It won't be a quick fix, and it won't be easy, but at this point i don't even think V2 will save MR, and that would be a huge shame.

Thanks for taking your time to reply, it was an interesting read.

There is a queue of people who would like to be a leader, its a pretty global ambition of every newer player...

 I think you're right, until they understand what being a leader entails and all of the hoops you have to jump through to get there and maintain in order to hold a crew all the while potentially having NPC's come at you as well. Can you not understand how daunting it must be for a newer player to have to go up against all of that? Even as an older player it is.

I'm saying it's forced on people because if leaders aren't created, NPC's pop up and people who might not have been ready or people who might have not wanted to lead are forced to do so to avoid such a scenario. You understand why this would be a reason for people to feel forced to set up I assume, yes?

Often people lose the wide eye wonder of working with new people and building something from the ground up.  That sense of public service is no longer there, that sense of accomplishment or crew pride is no long there.

I disagree, I think for many this is part and parcel of why they set up. For some, you're completely right, they're rubbing their greedy little hands together and wondering how many more boosts they might get but for others, this is why we set up but now it comes with all of the above points I mentioned. It's too much to contend with for most.

Stops yourself and many others from playing and talking out against it? Is that why you stole JesusTheGangsters name and are impersonating them? It's shitty to use another persons name knowingly and intentionally.  Why try to imitate JesusTheGangster?

Whatever my action is, it doesn't detract from the point I made. Questionable actions have been made and as a result people have stopped playing. Would you agree with that point or no? I feel that is one of the more common reasons for people turning away, the sense of unfairness and being aggrieved.

 You are upset because you are feeling the consequences of your own actions.

I am genuinely not upset, I am merely replying to the original poster and trying to explain a different perspective as to why I feel we're losing players. The fact the original poster says "This is not to bash admins" was a red flag to anyone new here who might wonder about admins. The fact it was needed to be said, says the original poster expected it to happen, which shows they have heard it said too.

With regards to my own actions, I know I've been a nightmare in the past. Some of the things you listed were true, some weren't, some were half truths that were created to exaggerate a situation but were enough to warrant a DD.

Its people like you that make it impossible for an independent admin team to function.  How long until you shoot their personal accounts or scream that they should never be allowed to play (cracks whip) only work.  How long until you scream from the rooftops that theres some sort of cheating going on because they ruled on a player harassment issue different than you because your personal thoughts towards harassing people has a whole different barometer than what the rest of us consider to be acceptable?

The answer to your questions is never. In game actions have in game consequences and the action you seem to refer to is a very very jaded one, which at the time seemed enough to be away with a regime that had a very firm grip of the game. You saw a side to it, I saw a different one, the result was everyone died. I'm over it.

Even the reply you just gave me, as I said was interesting. It's dripped in sarcasm and slights at me, when all I'm doing is trying to provide genuine feedback as to a reason why there is a loss in players. What I want from an admin of a game I sink money and time into isn't that (especially when I've paid my due's for past wrongs), it's professionalism and an open mind to what players are saying (and it's not just one or two, it's many), to the point where they are just walking away.

I hope it can change, I hope as a user base we can all come together and share thoughts on what we can do to reverse what's going on and you as an admin and owner can take on board what is said. Perhaps your over this place though, maybe it's no longer relevant and if you feel that the new game, whenever it comes out, is going to see a mass influx then brilliant, fantastic, if I can be a part of it I look forward to it but I'm not seeing a great deal to convince me it's going to be much different to how this place has been running it's current course.

This is the byproduct of becoming a jaded vet.  After playing countless accounts, a fair bit of users see being a CL as just the bonus to their gun - a tool to instill their will on others.  Often people lose the wide eye wonder of working with new people and building something from the ground up.  That sense of public service is no longer there, that sense of accomplishment or crew pride is no long there.  When vets become jaded they retreat into their ivy towers and don't bother interacting with the unwashed masses.  They view it as work to interact with someone who isn't directly in their inner circle or can provide a service right then and there for them.  They've move past the point where they feel the need to build up relationships and just want the gratification of being able to pop their head out from the towers, pew pew, and go directly back in.

This is so unbelievably true it isn't even funny anymore.