I find myself in a conundrum. Over the multitude of years I have found myself entering and leaving this game, only to return after a while of rest, as I am sure most of you do when you get burnt out. Over the time, I find the old customs, the old ways changing. In this relation, I am talking about pickpocketing. Sure, everyone has their preferences, to let people pick pocket, or to say "hey, stay out of my pockets." Some even leave a blank slate leaving people to not know which way the owner of the pockets is leaning. 

In the past, if someone pickpocketed you without caring what was on your profile, the general custom was to mug. You could get a bunch of cash, or hell, even steal their gun. 

Now, here in the present, I feel we need to discuss the topic of murder. Is it honestly worth killing someone over losing a bit of cash? Especially when that cash is at times, returned.  

In my point of view, the answer is no.

In the past, using your gun against a member of another crew, other than in a duel that was agreed upon, was an act against that crew and in the end started a war, or the person that fired his weapon would be ended by their home crew.

But feel free to argue your point of view below. I am sure everyone has their own point of view on this matter.

I have mugged quite a few people. Not sure that mugging equates to murdering though.

Is it the person who got mugged, that is murdering? Is it the person who mugged doing the murder? I am very confused on which way the murder is coming from.

As far as my experience goes, most people that pickpocket someone understand there is a risk that they may be mugged if they havent spoken to the person they are pickpocketing beforehand. Most people know the risks and potential for being mugged.

Seraphyna, thank you for your question!

Person A pickpockets Person B. Person B mugs back, then decides thats not enough revege and then tries to wack Person A who already paid back the cash as courtesy. 

Personally, I don't see any need for trying to kill anyone.

If someone pickpockets you and you aren't a fan, mugging should be enough. If you don't see the person, they got lucky.

In no scenario do I think murder is the right conclusion to anything to do with pickpocketing.

That's just my views though on the situation.

I've always looked at it like this: When PPed or mugged, you may react however you see fit relative to your standing in the world. If you're king shit godfather man Stan, chances are you can shoot them for whichever reason you please and no one will bat an eye (at least not in public) - if that's the route you want to go. If you're wally wise guy from down the block, the reaction to you taking such measures is likely to be much harsher.

Trying to assign sitewide "standards" on something like this or implying that there is some sort of moral high ground is naïve in my opinion. This is a mafia game, and as the intro states, "the action is yours, the reaction is not."

Personally, I find that it being at least not an automatic death sentence to shoot a mugger makes life interesting

Solskjaer I don't think you can restrict a feature of the game with city ruling. Actually, I'm pretty sure that exact scenario you depicted has been tried and ended rather badly.

I REALLY think that shooting someone over a PP is a huge over reaction and frankly points to a character flaw in the person who kills the pick pocketer.  A good mugging if the person (you) have "Don't PP" in your profile.  Like, absolutely pp them back or mug, but unless this person has a long history of personally targeting you, killing them is a bit much. 

All city rules read leaders do not get involved with pickpocketing disputes and advise how to avoid disputes. Years ago I was popped for pickpocketing. Did I think it was extreme? Yes. Could I cry about it? No.  

I believe the action is mine and the reaction is not.

I have ran with many crews they tend to avoid those situations. Normally I look at it this way, you take the risk of getting mugged if you put your hands in my pockets and I see it. Now if you wack me because of it, well that shows how petty you are. In all honesty if you don't accept the risk of getting mugged don't pickpockets. 

I had once a higher up from Philly last year who picked my pockets I mugged him. Told me how disrespectful it was that I did that to him knowing that he was a higher up in Philly. I told him you took that risk, that's on you not me. Now what i was not a fan of was I had to pay him back the cash that I mugged and I still lost my 15k. 

Speaking of taking a break and returning to things being different, it wasn't. I hadn't thought of this till today I got the hustle that required me to PP. 

Groaning I get it done and as I noticed this thread the other day I decided its a good time to reply. Im not a big fan of PP and always made it my policy to go by the rules of whoever I was playing with. If someone PPed me and had "Will mug" on their profile they should not be surprised to find they got beat up. "with $ return ok" I wait for my $. 

But who are we kidding? I would not think of shooting a player without letting my crew know about it. Anyone who wouldnt isnt considering them and what could boil over onto them.

And I think that says all that needs to be said without saying anything. 

mug when young and weak, whack when old and strong, this is my theory. If you make it to the top, you might as well show everyone who you are when they mess with you.