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| War Archive | Started by: Sweeney on Aug 10, '11 14:49 |
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I was having a discussion in the OOC about Wars and I was thinking why don't we have a Wars Archive? We could put in the Comm fourm and such as.
Advantages:
You can past wars
Can give some names to some wars.
Review the past crews and members
Why they were fought
Disavantages:
Can't really think of any. |
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I'm not posting to be a butt, just hear me out.
First, I'm not really understanding what you're trying to say. Are you talking about an automatic archive of wars? How would that work? If Godfather A decides to shoot Crewleader 2 in the face and protect the rest of Crewleader 2's members, I would assume its still considered a war, but with only one death. What would be the trigger for this automatic archival? And when would it post? And how would anyone know why they were fought? There are the given reasons in the street threads following the war, but those aren't always the REAL reasons.
I honestly think the best way to do this is to just have someone who writes provide a historical account once the war is over. It would be hard for the system to automatically chronicle wars, though it would be objective, but just like real life history is subjective and written by the winners, so should (in my opinion) mafia wars. |
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| Reply by: AlexKeene at Aug 10, '11 15:14 | |
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Pretty much a major shift of power could be considered a war.
I like this idea because it amplifies the fact that history is made by the victor, and only CLs or GFs could post on it describing the wars and such. I really like it. Not necesarrilly like EvilClown's demise, but more Detroits wipeout would be considered a war. |
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| Reply by: Jonny at Aug 10, '11 16:23 | |
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Glad you actually posted this here. |
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| Reply by: PoisonousJelly at Aug 10, '11 16:32 | |
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Eh, I'm at split-ends with this. People need to use the streets more, and this would certainly enable them to get their info elsewhere... However, it would be nice to have all "war" specific things in one place. The only thing I see wrong with the idea is that even if historians are hired, and write a synapses of the war... Won't their description be bias in some way, and effect their description of it? |
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| Reply by: RustyRyan at Aug 10, '11 16:56 | |
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That's why Historians should be hired on the same basis as HelpDeskers. People who are trust worthy enough to not be biased on their conclusion. |
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| Reply by: PoisonousJelly at Aug 10, '11 17:24 | |
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What if there was a historian appointed from each city, so that at the end of the war when the tale is written out it won't be completely biased? There would be the description from both the winning and losing sides of the war, and put together it would form a pretty general idea of the war? |
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| Reply by: Blazerze at Aug 10, '11 17:25 | |
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I agree with blazers.
Like if there is a war forum.
Per se:
War forum---
new thread --- Ny v DT (example)
the thread is a blank intro but a historian from NY and DT can post on that thread to describe the war. |
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| Reply by: Jonny at Aug 10, '11 17:47 | |
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It goes back to the same cycle. You can't automate it (at least not in any way I can think of) other than saying XXXX shot XXXX at 4:45. XXXX BG Wacked XXXX at 4:46. And me personally, I don't feel like reading a bunch of logs. PLUS, when would you post it, once every person involved was dead? Otherwise a lot of people could get in trouble after the fact when information was published known only by the gods and not players.
You can't have a person write it because whenever you introduce human emotion into anything, you create a bias. You can't get objectivity from a person. And how would they go about researching? By talking to the winners and the losers? The people involved in the war would never be able to agree on why/how the war started. It would be he said/she said, and even the he said she said could be absolute fabricated bullshit. "So and so was planning an attack on us. We got wind of it." "No we weren't! You're just making that up to justify killing me."
And when you can't get to the bottom of it, you'll have one person telling their side, the dead people telling their side... and we already have that. In the streets. Why do we need a new forum for something that gives the streets most of the quality posts that go in there. You can do the history forum, but you might as well delete the streets forum. That's the only reason I read the streets, is after wars or after someone is removed, because USUALLY, that's the only good debate/read there. |
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| Reply by: AlexKeene at Aug 10, '11 18:17 | |
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To be fair, yes USUALLY the only good reads on the streets are during after wars. Though, you have overlooked a part of what I was saying or maybe I did not express it properly. |
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| Reply by: PoisonousJelly at Aug 10, '11 19:13 | |
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Nah all we need is a weekly news paper |
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| Reply by: TommyLuciano at Aug 10, '11 20:06 | |
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One that is archived for future reading would be perfect, Tommy. |
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| Reply by: PoisonousJelly at Aug 10, '11 21:57 | |
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An active newspaper with an archive of previous issues would be perfect. My apologies for not understanding what you said the first time PJ. But yes, a newspaper with a dedicated staff (being optimistic here) and regular issues with an archive would be great. |
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| Reply by: AlexKeene at Aug 11, '11 00:12 | |
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I agree with the newspaper idea as well, and if staff are needed I can fill a spot if necessary. |
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| Reply by: Blazerze at Aug 11, '11 01:02 | |
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It's achievable. .org had the exact thing. Not sure where the archives are now. I think tiggy has it. All it would need is a dedicated editor. I'd even go for Chuckle's Knuckle (or what ever he calls that drivel these days) being archived. |
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| Reply by: PoisonousJelly at Aug 11, '11 03:21 | |
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Yea I'd help with the news paper also there could even be one daily sOmethig is always happening |
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| Reply by: TommyLuciano at Aug 11, '11 03:37 | |
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The argument I see used most often against this Idea is that it would be biased. I'd like to point out that history is mostly biased seeing that only the winners are around to give their side of the story. Shit even if the losers were around it'd still be biased because they Lost and would probably embelish or try to paint themselves in a better light. |
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| Reply by: Johnjo at Aug 22, '11 15:01 | |
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PoisnousJelly has a framed copy in his bedroom of every issue of the Chuckle Knuckle. Archiving it as well would just be duplication of effort. |
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| Reply by: Chuckle at Aug 23, '11 08:25 | |
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*full of stains of a 'particular nature' |
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| Reply by: PoisonousJelly at Aug 23, '11 21:26 | |
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At this point i would like to add this to the discussion --> http://mafiareturns.com/comm/thread/168851 . Isn't this archive like? I tried my best to stay neutral and only give a timeline of events. Since there seems to be a lot of interest i think i will continue the series. Help me out there, cheers. |
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| Reply by: FiroProchainezo at Aug 26, '11 23:12 | |
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