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| Who are you dying for? | Started by: Sinaya on Feb 14, '22 11:56 |
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Hello everyone. I’m sure a lot of you are wondering what happened here today or have heard rumours about why we did what we did. I would first like to set the story straight and then pose a question to every single mafioso on these streets. We did this because we felt uncomfortable with the way New York was running their operation. It was already sketchy when they allowed Le-Semois to retain his position as Godfather when he had two Chicago CLs killed because of bad intel. At this point, I already told Belle of my concerns but was told our relationship with Squirrelly-Dan was solid and he will deal with it. When he left this world earlier today, his body wasn’t even cold before members of his city slaughtered his ex-RHM, Rorschach and a few other members of New York. This raised alarm bells in my head for a few reasons:
This view was shared by a few members of the PH outfit so again I told Belle, but it was clear she didn’t share the same view and I don’t blame her for that. But it was the reason why we felt like we had to move on our own and so we did. From the start it was clear that we weren’t involving anyone else but NY (and understandably, the rest of PH) in the war. We never once fired a shot at CH/DT before we caught a WS of them shooting one of ours. So this brings me to my question: who are you dying for? Why are Chicago and Detroit fighting a war that was never theirs to begin with? To avenge NY? In reality, NY is just Macarena and Paradise now. In essence, you are letting a lot of good people in your cities die because you are trying to prove your loyalty to two people who aren’t even shooting anybody while all of you are. I ask you to reconsider your stances. Yes, the odds aren’t in our favor right now but we can still kill a few people on our way out — CH, DT, LA, LV save the innocent people of your cities and take the country for yourselves. You do not need to fight the war of people who are doing squat for you and are only looking to save their own skins. |
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If you can’t beat them, beg them? This a new one. Interested to see how it pans out. Most likely with Macarena shafting everyone once it’s all over no doubt |
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| Reply by: JesusTheGangster at Feb 14, '22 12:05 | |
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"Macarena has proved he can and will stab anyone in the back in his insatiable thirst for power. His "Spike" for the greater good is totally conditional. Loyalty means nothing to him. He has no foundation upon which he to build a power base." To kill and die for him is total stupidity. |
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| Reply by: JimmyTwoTimes at Feb 14, '22 12:18 | |
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Okay, so you're saying it's okay to kill Luis and Aaron and Magnolia... just to get at... me? That seems kinda extreme. And the fact that other cities would be okay with that? How in the fuck is that your place? What makes you so entitled? The other cities are/were their allies. You clearly don't respect leadership above your paygrade. You are a Rogue. You betrayed your Godmother Chairman. Do not delude yourself silly one. Do not sound so ANGEREY. You have no idea what you are talking about in terms of Le-Semois. There was in fact intel regarding Chicago, but it was not public. You were in the dark on a lot of things clearly. Why do you care so much about what happens in New York, when it was authorized by New York itself? Perhaps it's because of something greater you're a part of... or you're trying to impose the will of someone or a group who is already mostly dead... who you do will dance for on command. Sad group, so obsessed. Do you want to know why the people died in NY? It was because they were not respectful of the cities' wishes and were demanding the deaths of several uppers (including yours truly), and trying to manufacture fake intel. It was not their place to try to order the de-facto GFC to do that... (that also being partially the reason that Dan is gone in the first place) especially when they happen to be friends with those same uppers. Sometimes people don't like being puppeteered and have their own opinions; yet I guess you have your own handlers. Those that are fighting you right now are not fighting you because of ME. They are fighting you because you did not respect your place, and you were in fact safe. You were protected by your city head, and you were trusted, but you decided to shit all over that because of your paranoia and now you're so desperate that you came out here looking like a fool. You do not know me. You know of me... and yet you feel so passionately about me, it warms my soul. Thank you. I do not care if you kill me really.... in the end, you revealed your true character, and the mask is off of who you represent, which everyone already kinda knew. They were still giving you the benefit of the doubt. I am glad that you and your handlers bothered to speak this, well... shit because you've revealed your hand, your anger, your frustration, and that means at the end of the day, between me and you, and your buddies... I already won. I gotcha. Also, Le-Semois will always be a better Gangstaaa than you, and everyone knows it. It's okay to be jealous. We see it clearly in the way you speak.
Toodles. |
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| Reply by: Macarena at Feb 14, '22 12:27 | |
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Macarena - if you don't care if you die, duel your enemy and save untold members of this thing of ours. You crave power. You need power. You have it now. It won't last. |
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| Reply by: JimmyTwoTimes at Feb 14, '22 12:33 | |
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I'm glad Macarena you are taking a stand against people going against GFCs wishes. It would be so much worse if someone actually went and shot the GFC who housed and looked after them for months when no one else would give you a chance. You seem passionately upset about this with righteous indignation but don't forget who your family really is deep down. |
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| Reply by: CaptainPeskyBeard at Feb 14, '22 12:50 | |
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Boy this is just DRIPPING in slime. *Your* wishes were not the cities' wishes. Your designs and aims for the city weren't the consensus. No one "demanded" your death or anyone else - did they plan to kill you? Of course, why would they not, knowing you and your history? They were betrayed by those they trusted, it happens. But manufacturing fake intel??? This is exactly what you guys did to try to pin the blame for the CH leak on Goku - just because it was convenient for your agenda. When it became clear that he had no knowledge of the war, you tried to pivot and blame Rorschach and several other people close to him, with no proof other than your vendetta. This was a MAJOR reason Dan retired, having spoken to him not long before doing so, he told me that being in the middle of old grudges and manipulative behavior was weighing on him.
Irony is the drip this time. You do care, you sat proed long after your sneaky attack on Rorschach. You've stayed proed the entire time whilst making no effort to stop Sinaya yourself - revealing what is said about you to be true. You'll sit on that pro and allow other people to suffer and chase and die, rather than risk losing your pathetic little life to end it. You'll try to set up fake pros and trick or deceive people to win. You'll push false narratives and fake intel to try to put yourself in a good light. The mask really is off - you're as bad a liar as kuku. |
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| Reply by: Footy at Feb 14, '22 13:13 | |
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Macarena's sitting on that pro and not coming up for air unless there is dirty bathwater for sale. |
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| Reply by: Young_Harold at Feb 14, '22 13:23 | |
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Oh well, sure you can bring that up Toals... I can explain why Lilith deserved to die... again. He shot people in his own district after giving them permission to take action on a district which they didn't actually do... Lilith's allegiance was to a higher power of SALTY handlers, not his own members or city, outside of other handlers. One of those people Lilith killed happened to be Paradise's lineage, and clearly you link me and her. I witnessed Lilith shoot her myself (someone uninvolved in said vague plan), and he didn't say one word to me. I tried to talk to him for weeks to no avail. Was that smart of him? Does that seem like something I should let stand? Would you have? I don't think so... But this is coming from a guy whose line as Fabio revenge-shot his own GFC Tetley in the name of those same numbered handlers that are handling Sineya right now. That's cute baby.
I'm not upset at all, sweetheart. You're mistaking my tone. I just speak this way just to fuck with you. Roll armadillo roll. |
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| Reply by: Macarena at Feb 14, '22 13:33 | |
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I mean Tetley killed his own city three times before he was hit by a truck. Not even sure why you would bring that as any type of representing one's character. It's not a good comparison. I'll laugh my ass off if Lilith shoots you again. |
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| Reply by: Rile at Feb 14, '22 13:50 | |
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I would say your words speak for yourself then in the instance you pointed out no? Or is it one rule for some and another for yourself.
As always the narrative goes on and the tale spun. You know how to do it, I'll always give you that. Manipulation and storytelling.
I still feel sorry for you. |
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| Reply by: HankScorpio at Feb 14, '22 13:52 | |
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Tetley was a terrible leader, and a scumbag. That's not in doubt. But can Macarena, having previously railed against despots and treachy, survive his own? |
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| Reply by: JimmyTwoTimes at Feb 14, '22 13:56 | |
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| In the midst of this, Bacon disgraces himself by forcing the FBN to attempt to kill him, thus receiving a reprieve | |
| Reply by: JimmyTwoTimes at Feb 14, '22 13:57 | |
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If you think this will save anyone you are sorely mistaken. Diogenis & Sinaya rogued against their city. Belle offered them her protection and they spit in her face... repeatedly. They, and those that stand with them, will be held accountable. That is OUR way of things. |
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| Reply by: Gina at Feb 14, '22 14:41 | ||
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Wait a minute. We are blaming Macarena for you guys attempting to take out a city behind your or GFC's back?
I thought it was a rule in this thing of ours that we handled internal problems, internally. You mean to tell me a city isn't allowed to take it's own course of action in handling it's own issues? So because NY handles an issues without checking with you, not even the GFC, of the neighboring city that would be unallowed? Interesting how you see your relationship with everyone else in the country.
So you had the inkling to be the boss of bosses. You want to be the one who calls all the shots and makes the moves. Then you forgot step one. To be the boss you gotta take out the boss. If you didn't have enough gumption to go for it all, why did you side step your boss? Doesn't anyone live up to Omerta these days? A direct order to stand down means stand down far as anyone can see. Instead of doing what you are told, you spit in your bosses face and decide to call your own shots. The kicker is that you are out here on the street corner begging for others to have mercy on your bad decisions. You live by the gun, die by the gun. Don't ask for others to be so fickle in their allegiances as you have been. |
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| Reply by: Rambler at Feb 14, '22 15:52 | |
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Oh, Sinaya. We are here because you directly went against my wishes and reassurances. I made sure to talk to you on multiple occasions to reassure you that all was well. Was all well forever? No, we all know that's never the case. But trust is something. You can't expect to know everything at the captain level. A city is about having some trust in your GFC and it's quite clear you never trusted me. I did you a favor and brought you over to Philly. Clearly that was a mistake. Lesson learned loud and clear. Then you call Diogenis and tell him we're all moving on NY leading him to believe it was the entire city. So of course you put him in a bad position. So he charged forward because what else could he do? Did he hate Spike too, oh yeah he made it clear. The difference is he was willing to show some restraint even just for a little while. You honestly cannot sit here and tell me that after disrespecting my word and betraying my trust, that I as your city head would be able to trust you again under me. That any self respecting city head would allow an unauthorized attack on another city and be fine with it. Lets be real. If I had done to you what you did to me the outcome would've been no different and you be after my head. So yeah, who are you really dying for? I will say though, the distance factor really is a hell of a thing. |
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| Reply by: Belle_ at Feb 14, '22 16:18 | |
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Fluffiest heard that his grandfather's name was shouted during some rant by a foam to the mouth Don on a bloodied soapbox in the street and and inquired some bystanders what has been in the speech. As they related it back to him, he was always laughing of amazement. This people was a story of great fiction and made his grandfather seem like an evil genius like the big brained mouse he kept as a pet.
Well well
As he looked the Don in the eyes he started to address her. Don Sinaya your lineage has, despite it being around for a while, no experience in making decisions aside for being a leader of a single HQ. Thus you coming to the streets and try to explain things like you are aware of all intimte information of backrooms that people like Squirrelly-Dan or Belle_ or even Le-Semois were privy too is at best optimistic.
You refer to the attack of Bella Vista, it is true that some decisions were made by my grandfather, however the backroom where intel was discussed and taken to be true included your presence, did you at any point question, or oppose this intel NO! Did you at any point discuss any other course of action to be taken by all those present in the room NO. Did you in the 1 hour that ensued between Dagda's death and Tyrion's death dig and find other intel NO. Did Flowah reach out to Squirrelly-Dan or anyone alive of status in NY to let her intentions known??? No... 3 Godfathers were killed, 2 of which her close allies and 1 her lineage friend for as long as anyone can remember. Would you expect her to actively open communication channels, hell even help the people who lost their GFC in this dark hour... no she did not. Later on we got rather intel of the opposite and with permission and agreement of the only Godfather standing, Squirrelly-Dan, attacks were made.
Now you ask me, why did Le-Semois not 'give' back his Godfather status? Well simply put, nobody asked him to. If any criticism about his actions or decision making had been made, he surely would have listened to his GFC's words and orders. Unlike yourself it seems, Le-Semois would have shot anyone in his inner circle had the GFC asked him to. Did Le-Semois like all people his GFC asked him to work with, no, but he did it anyways coz since the 1st day he stepped into the shoes of a gangster, le-semois had done everything he could to help Squirrelly-Dan. By helping him recruit, build the district, advise him on expanding which offered Roxie a chance to open her own HQ. Le-Semois was offered but declined for he felt being part of the oh canada hq was a better support to our beloved late GFC. He again declined when her hq was over full and peter-gangi had been offered a position. This plan changed for Dagda was murdered and the structure changed in NY. After we beat Butter_cup and his associates Squirrelly asked all CL's what their plans were and their ambitions. You immediately told him you did not wish a future in NY, why was that, did you not trust his integrity or his lessons observed from godfather Dagda... it seems interesting all remaining CL's were looking to a bright future in NY and you chose to leave.
Now finally, the death of Squirrelly and the 3 more dead high ranked NY'ers. You seem much more outraged at the death of the 3 not by the influence that drove Squirrelly to decide suicide was preferable over being burden by the worries of being the GFC. You took measures in your own hands after your GFC told you to stand down, something my grandfather would never have done, not because he at any point didn't want to, but because he trusted, respected and believed his GFC would do his best to keep all gangster of status alive in his city and stuck by his promise to follow his GFC's lead.
Now your lineage seems to be not respecting this, nor did it respect loyalty in the past and seems to favor some lineages over fundamental values we all hold dear here. I wonder, how will any future lineage of yours be trusted to be a leader seeing how badly you failed at it this time? |
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| Reply by: Fluffiest_Tummy at Feb 14, '22 17:09 | |
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Grog listens carefully and then moves towards Fluffiest_Tummy From Intel given to my father, Flowah did in fact reach out to several in NY hence the truce fairly soon after. There was no time to know who was fighting who before Chicago got hit because they knew nothing of what was happening before or after until Buttercup filled her in and she declined to partake in his shenanigans. Flowah was told Chicago already was on their knees and to stay out of the war by both sides. With respect she did as asked. |
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| Reply by: Grog at Feb 14, '22 17:36 | |
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Sinaya “Who are you dying for?” Really, shouldn’t you have asked that before you started killing people? From Roxie’s journals you didn’t know jack shit about her nor her operation. You never fucking spoke to her. She was experiences a lot of personal difficulties and was in and out of the city. She knew nothing about the plans to attack Chicago. When she heard the upper circle had a mole and it was thought to be Rorschach she couldn’t believe it. Rorschach and she had a long relationship and she always considered him a stand up guy. She was never invited to any CLs meeting regarding taking out any mole. After the death of Rorschach she was hearing Macarena was the instigator. Do you actually know the full story? Why go against your GFC wishes. Did you actually think people were going to stand down and tolerate your bullshit? Just look at the mess you created. You need to give it up and stop the killing. You sound so desperate. Rest in peace to all the fallen. This is the worse I’ve ever seen. |
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| Reply by: Oh_well at Feb 14, '22 21:17 | |
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The woman held up a sign that read, 3 in big bold type-face. "Booooo!" she yelled, "Bring back Kuku!" then she was gone. |
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| Reply by: SpiderJen at Feb 14, '22 21:37 | |
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