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An Idiot's Guide to Idiots? Started by: Fuji on Nov 04, '11 22:36

Here comes the part where I tell you "it's not a game, it's LIFE!". I honestly don't have an opinion on the speech itself, shit will happen and time will tell.

I will say it does look like shit changed. Everyone has gone from one feeling to another in a fairly short amount of time. Probably wasn't the change everyone was looking for, doesn't matter though.

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This is one of the better cries I've seen after a huge war, I commend you on that much.

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Abdul puts down his chemicals for a second because of the loud bickering going on outside...Abdul takes a step outside the armory to see what the fuss is about and notices that its just another, "I'm mad my father died after the war rant"... So Abdul heads back into the armory to continue on his "explosive" ideas he has instore for the community....Before leaving Abdul yells out the most hated and appreciated line in Mafia history.

"Rank up and do something about it", my frienddddd...(feel the spit man, feel the spit)

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I guess this kid never heard of people dying in a mob war... As you can see folks, this is an example of how you can never make everybody happy. If you have a swift take down of whole cities because there are hundreds of hitters on one side, then you get a bunch of whining for people dying in their sleep. A tough war with great hitters and masterminds on both sides, and you get another bunch of whiners complaining about the amount of deaths. I guess this kid also had no idea why this war took place. Of course, why should he? He is a nobody in this world. But when you start plotting to kill people and somebody hears about it... well, it doesn't matter who strikes first. The losing side of the war was planning the attack. Maybe they should have been content with what they had... A few details I really don't agree with what he said... Why would SexyBeast "HQ" wack JJ. HQ wack is no longer what it used to be, no guarantees there. So I doubt you were told the truth as anybody who would dare such a big move like killing JJ would know enough of this place as to know that HQ wack was changed. "So now what?" I think the complete opposite. Every city head is looking forward to rebuilding and making a name for themselves. I think exciting times await us just around the corner.

I guess this kid never heard of people dying in a mob war...


As you can see folks, this is an example of how you can never make everybody happy. If you have a swift take down of whole cities because there are hundreds of hitters on one side, then you get a bunch of whining for people dying in their sleep. A tough war with great hitters and masterminds on both sides, and you get another bunch of whiners complaining about the amount of deaths.


I guess this kid also had no idea why this war took place. Of course, why should he? He is a nobody in this world. But when you start plotting to kill people and somebody hears about it... well, it doesn't matter who strikes first. The losing side of the war was planning the attack. Maybe they should have been content with what they had...


A few details I really don't agree with what he said... Why would SexyBeast "HQ" wack JJ. HQ wack is no longer what it used to be, no guarantees there. So I doubt you were told the truth as anybody who would dare such a big move like killing JJ would know enough of this place as to know that HQ wack was changed.


"So now what?" I think the complete opposite. Every city head is looking forward to rebuilding and making a name for themselves. I think exciting times await us just around the corner.

 

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Ashes. I prefaced my conversation about JesseJames being HQ wacked with that I heard it from two sources but with no evidence presented. I did this to maintain a sense of integrity when separating things that I can back up with written testimonies against things that were heard audibly when I was unprepared take dictation.

You try to discredit my statement because you are unable to think outside of the box when it comes to HQ wacking? Do you not feel that demoting someone down to thug and stripping away their gun would render them impotent for a while? A person who wakes up disgraced by the powers and starts their day with the lowly rank of Gangster will find they are unable to start their own family for quite some time. They would find themselves unable to get authorization to go after the big targets they would so desire. They would also find that other hunters in our world would find great success in killing off such lowly regarded gangster bodyguards. I would think that anyone who is directly connected to the grapevine who would dare such a big move like killing JesseJames would know enough of this place as to know that HQ wack was changed, but still offers the easiest way to render someone inadequate for a long enough period of time that they can be picked to pieces by those under your command with out threat of them being able to retaliate.

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Firstly, I won't bother to address your bitter complaints and assumptions regarding myself, I have no idea who you are, and frankly couldn't care less who you are.

You try to discredit my statement because you are unable to think outside of the box when it comes to HQ wacking? Do you not feel that demoting someone down to thug and stripping away their gun would render them impotent for a while? A person who wakes up disgraced by the powers and starts their day with the lowly rank of Gangster will find they are unable to start their own family for quite some time. They would find themselves unable to get authorization to go after the big targets they would so desire. They would also find that other hunters in our world would find great success in killing off such lowly regarded gangster bodyguards. I would think that anyone who is directly connected to the grapevine who would dare such a big move like killing JesseJames would know enough of this place as to know that HQ wack was changed, but still offers the easiest way to render someone inadequate for a long enough period of time that they can be picked to pieces by those under your command with out threat of them being able to retaliate.



So, you made a sweeping statement and because someone caught you out on it for being a lot of rubbish, you changed the angle in which you meant the comment? Sound about right?

You were wrong, anyone who said JJ would be HQ'd after the war, be that this one or the previous, were lieing. JesseJames was kept alive in the previous war because of his friendship with SexyBeast, I can't speak for him of course, but I believe the friendship they shared was the only reason that JJ sided with SexyBeast and Chuckle. Not that it makes any difference. His reasons are his own and he doesn't have to answer to you, nor do any of us for that matter.

Its very clear you have something against JesseJames, and oddly a bit of an affection for myself. I'm sure with such strong views on how to run this place we'll see you at the top very soon and you can teach everyone how its done, yes?

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Sarge steps back for he is not wearing his fire resistant suit And it seems Someone just got burned by the way Alabama is spittin fire.

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anchovies!

 

hell yeah

 

now i'm spent.

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Alabama, to a large extent I recognize you as an intelligent woman. A leader of other men? To be determined. I know it seems like I'm having a wee cry over losing my most recent bloodlines, but I assure you it is genuine fear that I am harboring. None of the men currently in power have actually led the charge on anything. The only person who was capable of pulling strings and moving chess pieces (i.e. Det, StL, and what's left of Chi) died in Chuckle.

It is frightening to me that all of my worries were just brushed aside when I believe there was a good deal of merit in them. How has "JesseJames is my friend!" answered the concerns that he has abandoned his city in times of war and thrown toys around his old hit room when someone upset him? How has "Alabama is intelligent" answered the fact that she has NEVER led any type of movement in any other city but her own? I'm not saying she is stupid or lacks potential.

What have you DONE Alabama, that has not been at the beck and call of another city? Again, this is not to say you won't lead now that a lot of big names are gone, but where were you when they were here? The measure of a leader is to have the ability to lead when you aren't the most powerful person in the world.

Am I upset? Yes. But not for me, for the future of our world. The fact that no one can answer the most simple of allegations without resorting to "this gentleman is very butthurt, please sweep him under the rug". I remember a time when people were able to talk like (wo)men and defend themselves without chalking it up to someone who is a little kuku crazy. It's obvious this golden era of free speech comes with an asterisk: Say what you will, but you're an idiot for doing so. How is that ANY better to when we couldn't say anything at all?

I hope the best for the leaders, genuinely I do. You've had your chances for a long time to stand up and show leadership capability, but now you REALLY have your chance. Don't let us down. Where has Grin gone? Call me a fanboy, but at least he would tear my speech apart with accuracy, political savvy, and capability. Gone, I suppose.

Alabama, I could rank up like you have and rule a city, but I would be utterly ashamed of myself if I followed your trajectory. How Detroit looks itself in the mirror come morning and doesn't become revolted at their respective running mascara is beyond me. Clean yourselves up and take the day by the balls, I'm genuinely rooting for you even if it sounds as if I'm not.

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Fuji; you built your opinions on hearsay and poor speculations. You argument doesn't need ripped apart, because it had a poor foundation to start with. You went through a city list and mustered every poor observation you could make about a city from YOUR viewpoint; the viewpoint of an outsider. Considering your perspective is based on the losing end of a war, what qualifications can we draw from your opinions?

You aren't upset for the "future of our world". No one is upset at the future; because you don't know what's going to happen. You can speculate, but you've shown poor skill in speculation already, concerning the personalities and behaviors of the present leadership. I don't know any of them personally, but I'd rather draw my conclusions from interaction rather than your suggestions.

Last, and quite honestly least, "Alabama, I could rank up like you have and rule a city" is one hell of a statement. Do it. I hold no value to the words of a stubborn Thug, and if you ranked up and ruled a city, you hold weight. Because right now, you're just living on the protection of the Gods, and have done absolutely nothing to deserve anyone listening to you.

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Pharol, I appreciate your support in that you didn't chalk it up to JUST whining. Some of what I have said IS speculation based on what I've heard, BUT I also prefaced it by saying such. So to call me speculative is just belaboring what I said in my initial speech!

As per what I'm sure of with regards to Alabama's leadership and JesseJames temper, those are not speculation, and seem to be buried with trivial statements that dance around the point. If you want proof of Jesse's temper ask anyone who had a father or mother from Chicago under Roman and New Orleans under RoRoG that was in the war room against CharlieCroker . If they don't have anything to gain by denying it, the accounts should match up.

Alabama, again, full of potential, and if anyone can provide me an instance where she has been anything but filler to the other cities? I would gladly join a Detroit family and be proved wrong and eat crow, though.

As per you burying my words because I'm a thug? Not sure if you've checked our ranks these days, there are 574 of us Gangster and below. We are the 58.27%.

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Pharol don't be the pot. If you don't know the leaders personally then your allegations that what Fuji speaks of is based purely on hearsay and speculation is based purely on....hearsay and speculation.

I think Fuji has hit some nerves with people. Perhaps because what he's said is too close to the truth for some. His big mistake was the rude and confrontational manner in which he's presented himself. It's led to people trying to argue him down and claim he's wrong where I'm willing to be a guilty conscience or two knows he's not really rather than focusing on the point he initially tried to make.

Where do we go from here?

No one is perfect. Everyone has made mistakes. The question now is if people can learn from their mistakes and leave those mistakes behind to become stronger businessmen, family members, and leaders. Indeed under Roman's thumb people had standards set for them and now that he's no longer with us the standards have changed. Or perhaps faded away all together. So who will set the new standards? Standards allow people to deal with each other in good faith and prevents one side from feeling they've been singled out or are being treated unfairly. Without standards there can be no peace. Without peace there can be no prosperity.

Will we get back to the business of making money where experienced members of this thing of ours take advantage of their ability to carry heavy loads of various forms of street medicine? Or will we have to start having kids in our early teens to have enough children to take the place of their endlessly slain parents? It remains yet to be seen. One thing is for sure. It won't be in the hands of Wise Guys like me.

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As per you burying my words because I'm a thug? Not sure if you've checked our ranks these days, there are 574 of us Gangster and below. We are the 58.27%.

Yes, but you are the only one who holds your set of views. That makes you the .16%.

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Alabama, to a large extent I recognize you as an intelligent woman. A leader of other men? To be determined.



Something we agree on, at least. I've never claimed to rule the roost, frankly I've not had to thus far. There have been some fantastic people in my corner that have helped me get where I am today and I will never deny that. Your relative Roman was one of them, without Roman, Alabama could very well have had a different life altogether. Another was the much mentioned Chuckle, a man that could convince Turkeys to vote for Christmas.

What have you DONE Alabama, that has not been at the beck and call of another city?



You would do well to point out a time when I have been at the beck and call of another city. During the recent war with Vegas and LA I wasn't at the beck and call of anyone, someone I held in high esteem seeked my assistance and I made the decision to assist. Something I decided on my own, for my own reasons.

Am I upset? Yes. But not for me, for the future of our world



I wish that were true. I do. But lets face it, it's not. A period of instability and angst is all you hoped to achieve from this little outburst. Some points may be valid, others exaggerated and some completely pointless and way off the mark, but its done what you wanted already, its brought attention to aspects you wanted people to doubt, whether they've suddenly accepted your concerns as factual or realised they are unfounded, who knows.

I think Fuji has hit some nerves with people



Generally when people make personal attacks on others, those that disagree will obviously come across very defensive and give the impression its hit a nerve. Its more likely that people were just showing the appropriate backing for their leaders, though.

I have no issue with Fuji coming out into the streets and throwing around random statements and passing them as facts, even futuristic concerns, as has been stated many times by many people, we live in a world where anyone can put across their point provided they do so in a respectful manner. We can call into question the accuracy of Fuji's comments and his reasons for them, but no-one can question his delivery.

Lastly, whilst it is enjoyable to debate my abilities (or lack there of?) in public, for obvious reasons I won't get into a slanging match in the streets. I am more than happy to chat with anyone of any rank in private if they feel the need to address me (as anyone can see by the amount of mail the poor post man has been asked to deliver on my behalf).

So, Fuji, again I wish you well and look forward to seeing you step up those ladder rungs one by one. I see a fire in your belly that had long gone out in your father Roman.

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Standing on the street listening to people go back and fourth he steps forward to get a better look at Fuji

Hmmm

taking Fuji's face in his hands he feels the jaw line and cheeks

Hmmmm

sticking his fingers in Fuji's mouth he checks the teeth

Hmmmm

Doesn't look like anyone i would reconkize as next of kin to my fathers best friend Roman.

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Herman Cain saunters up to the ongoing hubbub and hears some unkind words being directed at JesseJames. This will not stand without som response.

Now, I hear here some unkind words about a great and thoughtful man. A wonderful man. A man named JesseJames, who is no ordinary man. No, this is a man who broadcasts to all the world:

Petty Tax: Insanely Low
Felony Tax: Insanely Low
Drug Tax: Insanely Low



Now, I'm sure all of you are wondering right now "yes, so what?" Well I'll tell you "so what!" You know what percent tax rate gets recorded as "insanely low?" I'll tell you what percent tax does: Nine percent.

That's right, folks. JesseJames is another brilliantly thoughtful expert who supports the Nine-Nine-Nine tax plan. Anyone who would mock this man has to overcome the resounding and unmistakable presumption: He must be intelligent, because he supports Nine-Nine-Nine. This powerful man took the reins from others when the time was right and immediately began making good decisions about tax policy in his city. Really, what more needs to be said about a man to prove his worth?

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It is funny how widely some people can miss the mark and still believe themselves to be speaking from a knowledgeable position.

Incredible strategist before a war, to a level just below Anita's bloodline.


Whilst the adoration of Anita is admirable, she didn't run her own wars. There is no need to qualify Chuckle's brilliance in that regard, and if you want to, it would have to be in comparison to FlyingPig as he ran all of Anita's wars. Even the simplest amount of research would have uncovered that fact, so I can only imagine how poorly researched the rest of this is going to be.

However, when it's time to put boots to asses, Chuckle was more prone to allowing the heavy lifters to do the work.


When it's time to put boots to asses, Chuckle oversaw the death of six opposing Godfathers, with some of the biggest and strongest accounts of all time. I think there are very few who can claim to have put their boot in any more impressive asses than old Chuckle did. Have you ever tried to kill a Godfather with a cannon who you can't even see in any city? Of course not, because you've never done anything. Have you ever tried to kill a Godfather who everyone believed was unkillable? How about two Godfathers who everyone believed was unkillable? You get the point.

And, what work was Chuckle more prone to letting the "heavy lifters" do? He was there every step of the way in every war. People seem to associate importance to who takes the final shot, but Chuckle could care less. It isn't about having the name on your gun; it is about ensuring that your team wins. He marshalled those at his disposal, assigned shots as required and enabled the victory to be achieved. When he died some people wavered, sure, but guess what? Grin stepped in and they still got the job done.

During the war his judgment is questionable though as I have it on good authority that Jade wanted peace. To that request one could have two reactions:
Normal reaction: Sure, but you need to help us kill LV (then wait for Jade to drop her guard 24 hours later and kill her avoid casualties)
Chuckle/Chicago reaction: LOL FUQ U HOLMES (adios SexyBeast, worked out great)



Jade and LA approached SexyBeast about suing for peace and it was SexyBeast's decision what to do. Chuckle provided him with advice, just like always and SexyBeast made the decision, just like always. If you truly believe that Chuckle would make a hot-headed response like "LOL FUQ U HOLMES", then you've clearly no conception of the man or how he operated in the slightest.

I think the fact that we won and killed 3 Godfathers in the process should be all the evidence you need as to his, or my judgement. We lost our mighty Beast but that was always an option when we went into the war against monster accounts that had months and thousands of dollars put into them. He would have paid that price for the result, as would any worthwhile leader in his place.

As to the rest of your comments, just because you believe something from what you see as a person with absolutely zero knowledge of the internal workings of a city, doesn't mean that it is true. In fact, it would seem logical to most people, that a complete outsider would be far more likely to be wrong in their beliefs than someone on the inside, actively involved. You, Fuji, have no idea what decisions SexyBeast made. You, Fuji, have no idea what decisions AlabamaWorley made. You, Fuji, have no idea what decisions Stallion, SuperX, Stamina, JackRuby or even the mighty Bearderus made, because you are a nobody who wasn't involved. So in what way are you qualified to pass your falsehoods off as facts? Obviously, you aren't.

Finally, I don't understand your fear for the future of the world; I personally think it is looking pretty fucking rosy. Regardless of which side you stood on, some pretty useful people have gone into the ground and more importantly, some pretty idiotic and undeserving people have also gone into the ground. This is the time for a fresh start, with new ideas and improved ideals for the future of MafiaReturns. Hell, I'm excited.

And just FYI;

Where has Grin gone? Call me a fanboy, but at least he would tear my speech apart with accuracy, political savvy, and capability. Gone, I suppose.


Grin's right here, standing beside his Godfather, offering him counsel, just like always.

~G~rin.

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Wonderful reply Grin. Except the last bit. In fact you completely ruined it. I had believed Fuji, I thought you had gone again. But now my world comes crashing back down around me. It's almost like Clarence has returned.

Damn you Grin. Damn you.

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I fucking love it when Grin hits the streets.

Nicely done man, nicely done.

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But wheres the knuckle??? Damn you

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