Approaching the streets, he stops on a stop

You can see the wrinkle's on the mans face and hands, he may not have been around the life a long time, only a wiseguy for a short period of time, but his age showed threw

He must have had a differnt profession before the life of crime, maybe a soldier, maybe a father somewhere, maybe a friend

The only thing you can guess about a broken down old man is that he is a survivor.

Hello friends, I come to you today, to speak to you about some thoughts i've had lately. My Grandfather was friends, and peers with a man named Roman. A lot of you know the stories of him, dictator, tyrant, asshole, leader, Godfather, Champ, whatever name you choose to describe. MY father knew him as only one name, Friend.

Some say Roman led our lives astray, looking at current events, id beg to differ. It seem's with no one to lead, no one to trust, things get out of hand, people no longer desire a life of crime, they stay legit, they stay cooks, they stay maids, railway men.

Our population has dropped friends, no one wants to be an outlaw any longer.

Through the reigns of Roman and Premeir, we saw them controll their OWN cities, make rules for THEIR cities. They never told other cities what to do, or forced their will upon others. They did what they needed to do, to help their own people out.

Other cities looked to them for advice, if a war happen, they were the first in the street to say why, to give an explination. There has been 5-10 wars in the past months, where no speech was given, no reason, no explination. You might say they didn't need a reason, they are the new Godfather's. Well my friends, if someone kills my father, and i have no idea why. I might just leave this world, to look for work somewhere else, so i don't suffer the same fate.

We had a Godfather Council, that seemed like an amazing idea, but it seemed nobody cared to listen to the rules, they were broken, and the GFC said oh well sorryz, and leader would die and then tagged members died soon after. "Oh well, it was a member of the GFC who did it, give them a pass"


At some point, the numbers DO NOT lie, it has been 3 months, and we've never recovered. People are leaving droves... Let's face it, you need... No, you WANT the bad guy.

I say God Bless Premeir and Roman, and all they did for us.

Can't bless the dead. OOPS.

They never told other cities what to do, or forced their will upon others.

Cough Cough*bullshit*Cough Cough.

Were you a New Yorker or Chicagoan by any chance?

Id take Roman and Premeir every day all day over the dregs we see now. Seeing JessieJames die was the last straw to break the camels back. Going straight looks more and more promising every day.

Gives Ragnarok, his pistol and a flask

You have a good day sir, maybe we will see each other around.

To be honest, I hate to have to agree that Roman brought stability. I have been asking some of my friends in light of recent events if we are only able to flourish under an iron fist.

But I also think that stability came at too high a price. I can't speak about how life was in Chicago. I was never around there. But seeing my grandfather work in New York... I would always see him stressed out and biting his lip because the woman allowed to be in charge was... well, let's just say she was the least pleasant person that my bloodline has ever had the misfortune of having to work for.

So I think it still was a good thing that Premier and Roman were removed. The problem is that some of the people left, were the ones that didn't really know how to lead and always relied on more seasoned leaders such as those two.

My memory is not very good, but I think that nothing too big happened after Roman's death until PH, NY and SL were removed.

Well, those are all very much accounted for instances. PH had been given many opportunities to get in line and there were many instances in which they didn't show the leadership, or at least coherence enough to gain the tolerance of the other(s) city(ies).

Then SL came down with a severe case of paranoia and took out NY, which forced Chi hands into removing SL. Refer back to my opinion of the leaders left to rebuild.

Stamina still has his city in check. The worst thing that could happen to Chicago was having JJ WB. But after this little episode that doesn't have many casualties either, I suspect Chi will go back to being stable. NY had a great leader in Stallion and still has another great leader in Clarity, so no worries there. We all see how LV is now stable and growing again.

I'll always hand it to them. Roman and his ancestors always made the smartest and bravest moves. From my point of view, from a distance, he was too harsh in handing out punishment.

i honestly think sometimes the most unstable times are the most interesting otherwise things become so mindlessly repetitive i could train a monkey or one of miguel's goats to manage the tasks.   Instability brings new leaders and a desire to keep your crews attention and loyalty or so i would hope.  The less hard working a population the more important those stand out few become and cities suddenly look upon each other watching who's on the books as an associate or a family member.

See some people complain about too much war and then they complain about lack of change due to the same people at the top due to lack of action or blood line benefits; the true problem is just because someone survives a war or sets up doesn't always mean they are going to be qualified for the task or achieve what they thought the new position would do.  Do we all suddenly down tools and become legitimate business peope coz the state of society or do we look round and see if and what we can change and how?

Roman and Prem had to go - they totally abused their power. 

However, the victory wasn't organised well.

Let's face it, after JJ took out Detroit, nothing was worth bothering about.

Roman and Prem had to go - they totally abused their power.

However, the victory wasn't organised well.

Let's face it, after JJ took out Detroit, nothing was worth bothering about.

Roman didn't abuse his power, he simply Used it how he wished. That was his right in the position he held. Premeir on the other hand did. But none of that really matters now, they are long gone.

They were both strong leaders and commanded respect/obediance and things were always going to be a lot different once the new regime settled, as none of them were of the same ilk as Roman and Prem. That didn't make them worse, or better, than them.. just different.

The fact that over time most of those that removed Roman and Prem have also been killed doesn't mean it was the wrong move. Did people think they would live forever? Every single city that has fallen since has fallen for a reason, whether we agree with those reasons or not is of course a simple matter of personal opinion and will differ from person to person.

Detroit: AlabamaWorley and her city were destroyed by a group effort of all other cities combined. No-one can complain about this act, if the collective of people in power feel there is a legit reason to remove you then clearly you've fucked up somewhere and deserve to be killed.

Our world as always is going through the motions of change, given time things will settle. Given more time a new dictatorship will arrive, at some point someone will remove that dictator and we will rinse and repeat. That my friends is the circle of life in this thing of ours, people seize power and last so long before being removed and replaced and the same then happens to the next person.

I wouldn't have it any other way.

At some point, the numbers DO NOT lie, it has been 3 months, and we've never recovered. People are leaving droves... Let's face it, you need... No, you WANT the bad guy.

Agreed, however you have not shown us any numbers! Stating that people are leaving in droves does not make it true. I don't see any difference, personally.

I also agree that people love the bad guy. This is one of the big reasons Roman was taken out. He wasn't a bad guy and things got ridiculously stale. Under Roman, life expectancies were at an all time high. This is not praise for Roman. It is a criticism. Mobsters like excitement. It's one of the biggest reasons we enter this life. If we want to sit around, hold hands, and live forever, we would all join a sewing circle.

People do, indeed, love a bad guy in power. Most of the time they hate to admit it, however. People reminisce about the days of -mrevilman, the ruthless takeover of the United Nations which left a puppet Boss of Uncle Nicky in every city, the periodic slaughterfests held by Ganelon, and the bloody rise to power of Anita which saw her hitsquad wipe out anyone who challenged her power. Having a bad guy in power gives us something to work for and a feeling of satisfaction when that power is overcome.

MyAssHasTeethAndEats - You forgot BrianArao. Though I can understand why, his wasn't so much a reign the way the others were, but he certainly had a fairly big impact on This Thing of Ours with his rogue antics.

I'm still always surprised to hear -mrevilman mentioned among those others, when he got where he did through exploiting the local drug dealers at the time. In my opinion he doesn't deserve to be in that company.

BA is certainly a good example of how people look back fondly on a period of time marked by violence, when at the time they complained about his antics. He wasn't a very well liked man for some time, but these days people will look back and say "that was cool, huh?".

Every big power in Cosa Nostra has dissenters and people who complain about abuse of power or tyranny, but it never fails that these same individuals are remembered fondly as the years pass. Roman will be remembered with a "ho-hum", because there was very little excitement involved with his reign.

I am not sure how you can say there was very little excitement during the Reign of Roman. During his life a considerable number of Godfathers fell, there were a number of wars but more than anything it brought about a level of stability previously unheard of.

Every city has had its Golden periods which people will remember. Philly will be remembered as the time of Anita, Detroit remember for Marietta, Chicago remembered for the reign of Roman, New York remembered the reign of TheDean, New Orleans remembered for the reign of Scotland. Most cities have people who will always be recalled when the city name is mentioned. Roman is linked to Chicago.

Another point is what many seem to forget is that we are mobsters not hitmen, a mobster looks to obtain a living through deeds deemed illegal. The shooting of others is a very last resort because of the unnecessary heat it brings upon us from the law enforcement.

I'm not sure if I remember TheDean as much as I remember Deimne or even Thomas Rourke for that matter.

It is interesting you say that when TheDean gave one of your ancestors permission to set up in Las Vegas.

Yes, and Deimne did as well. So? I didn't say he was completely forgettable. Just not sure he is in teh same rank as Roman or Deimne. We can all have our opinions, right?

As harsh as it sounds, its true. Roman and Deimne will be remembered for years to come, but that was because they were the figureheads. While im sure TheDean was an accomplished godfather, he didn't have quite the same level of publicity as those two.

Roman was allowed to have his final run out of their friendship. Even after Roman had failed an attempt on TheDean. My first slip up on keeping one of the many secrets that were buried. That was just the way he was, he couldn't turn on those he considered his friends. Maybe to an extent that it could be seen as his greatest weakness. So what did it all boil down to that differentiated each of those individuals? They all stood up for what they believed in, they all fought tooth and nail for their cities and members. They each had a way about themselves that stood out from the rest. They each ran powerful cities. Like every era, there will always be a figure who dominated as Romeo had mentioned. New York has been a city fortunate to see leaders back to back produce such quality in both its members and leaders alike. ThomasRourke, Deimne, TheDean to every individual who poured endless time for the betterment of their cities and those around them.

It's why many who did serve in New York in those times understand fully what it meant to be a New Yorker.

It's like being at a casino, rolling up to a table and making your mark by making those millions. The only difference is, winners knew when it was time to walk away.

At the end of they day, no one did it they way New York did it under the leadership of TheDean. Whether you loved him or hated him, he shook this community. He giving many who were considered not worth a second chance the chances they desired and when his city was tried, well, don't blink because that was sufficient time needed to do away with cities in a wave. There's always someone else ready to step in. It takes a good leader to keep his people happy and safe, though it takes a phenomenal leader to have his people working so hard and giving more than anyone could ever ask for while doing it with a smile for as long as they did. And that all starts at the top by leading by example.

The beauty about it though, is that there are only a handful of people who really know where all the bodies are buried and in which closets the skeletons lie. Things that were done, deals made, lives spared, how and why regimes were changed, business was actually that and omerta actually meant something. It's true you have no idea what I'm talking about and thats the point.

For those of you who missed it, really did miss out on something else. For the minority that were clued in in what really happened behind the scenes can really appreciate on how things were done and unfortunately never get to see again. Everything that has happened up until Romans empire had been done away with had been foretold. Play by play. I could do nothing but wonder what was the point of sticking around knowing everything he had told us were to happen was happening. Spoiler alerts are the worst. He had always said, dont react to the situation but learn to fully understand the players within them. The situations were always the same and so were the players reactions. Guess thats why he made it look so easy. Being always one step ahead really does make a difference and in the end made this life mundane.

I could go on in detail from the diaries and recorded conversations between Roman and TheDean. People who really understood what it meant to keep the drive in everyone else. People who actually "got it". Most of you are clueless and it saddens me to an extent really considering the amount of time that's been poured into your lives. But at the end of the day, great people figured it out and until the next one does, good luck and I wish you all the best.