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A week in the life of the turd that wont flush Started by: EgonSpengler on Dec 08, '24 10:49
Obviously the leader will get priority. Not arguing against it

But said leader only needs to be protected once every 4 hours. Are we genuinely saying that there were no free shots for everybody else after that?

Charles thinks the rest were innocent and just gunned down. If that were the case then I'm sure that a few could've been saved.

If you say not, as the leader of the war room, then so bet it..

Clearly though there were not a pro with how quickly the people fell. Perhaps training and organisation for when the need arises is needed? Perhaps everyone now is not capable of missing in a target rich environment
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But said leader only needs to be protected once every 4 hours. Are we genuinely saying that there were no free shots for everybody else after that?

Correct, so im not sure how a leader will "hog all the pro's" Again, you seem to have a general good understanding of our world. But, as you say. Leaders who are capable of hitting said rouge, will, if not shot first. Get their pro and will sit on that pro for 4 hours while chasing down the rogue. There are always "other worldly" things that happen that a leader might have break that 4 hour pro and extend it. 

So in you agreeing with me that leaders only take 1 pro every 4 hours while chasing down  a rogue, then yoy claim that they "hog all the pro's" simply bares no weight at all. How can it.

Are we genuinely saying that there were no free shots for everybody else after that?

I can, with hand on heart tell you that there was plenty of people of all ranks receiving pros. Especially in the last two ive been involved in. 

Clearly though there were not a pro with how quickly the people fell. Perhaps training and organisation for when the need arises is needed? Perhaps everyone now is not capable of missing in a target rich environment

Again ill offer some InSite. There is plenty of high ranking mobsters in this world that have their own personal pro'ers. people that they can rely on. And people they bring to this world for only that purpose. the reason i make a point of that is this; Initiative . 

If people want to survive. Then they also need to take the initiative for themselves. Lets use your made man argument. These people, as you have said, Have made their bones, they should be able to also sort this out for themselves, instead of just relying on "greedy crew leaders" 

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Just curious - how were there insufficient proers if the one rogue didn’t void anyone’s protection? Did y’all have only one proer? Or were there so many guns that there just weren’t enough proers to cater for them all… in which case, how did one itty bitty rogue - completely unprepared, and facing the wrath of the six cities - wreak damage on a scale hitherto unknown on these shores? Sounds like a war room competency issue, Spacey boy.

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How can hogging all the pros bear the weight?

I'd suggest because proers are held in reserve in case one or even two are not available. However, I again bow to your knowledge of the situation in that moment.

If you can hand on heart say there were plenty getting protected then great but I'm not sure it was the same on all sides. Leaders, hands and members getting gunned down one then two then three hours after the first drops of blood hit the floor.

My comments are not necessarily aimed at the side that lived after all.

The personal proers comment is all that is wrong with this world. Your loyalty is not to a family line but your leader. As most low ranking members require authority you would assume they'd be within a HQ and used as appropriate to protect all. If you're an unsponsored Wise Guy you've generally do well to live.

Which brings me to your last point. The Made Man looking after themselves. Absolutely not. They look after their leader and take what is left but they do that on the assumption that the scraps will be shared. We all know of the brave souls who have played bait to end a conflict.

As I have said before. It may not be aimed at your side but a general point of observations of a Gangster who had rejoined the world while the bullets flew.
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How can hogging all the pros bear the weight?

I said your point bares no weight, Because as we have both agreed. The leaders that can kill said rogues. Sit behind the pros "refreshing" to try to kill the rogue. So they simply can not "hogg all the pro's" In 4 hours of 1 leader being pro'd there is plenty of opportunity for that specific pro'er to pro many more people. simple math for you right there.

I 'd suggest because proers are held in reserve in case one or even two are not available

For most parts, you're incorrect. Speaking from someone who has been heavily involved the last few times, this si simply wrong. All cities share their pro'ers with others. And will pro other people from other cities. If leaders are hiding their pro'ers, thats on them. But i can saftley say, the last few times. Its been a combined effort with por'ers from all cities. 

. Leaders, hands and members getting gunned down one then two then three hours after the first drops of blood hit the floor.
 

LOL, there was a rogue with 2000+ notches to his gun. People are going to die, its that simple. if you think otherwise, i may have given you a bit more credit than you deserve. Its impossible to protect everyone. Guns also malfunction when there is that many pro's being taken. thats also a testament to plenty of people getting prod. 

Are mistakes made, absofuckinglutley. Is there always a lessons learnt after. You can bet your bottom dollar there is. You know people sleep and there are miscommunications about pro times etc. It happens.  

The personal proers comment is all that is wrong with this world. Your loyalty is not to a family line but your leader. As most low ranking members require authority you would assume they'd be within a HQ and used as appropriate to protect all. If you're an unsponsored Wise Guy you've generally do well to live.

I disagree. However that comment i made, wasnt saying a leader only allows this person to pro them. As thats also not true. But tis always important to get your first one. You can then dictate the pace. 

 

The Made Man looking after themselves. Absolutely not. They look after their leader and take what is left but they do that on the assumption that the scraps will be shared. We all know of the brave souls who have played bait to end a conflict.
 

Im not entirely sure you are actually listening to my points. IM saying there is an element of self care involved, where best you can. I DIDNT SAY FUCK IT, THEY ARE MADE. THEY FEND FOR THEMESELVES.  I said there is an expectation that as a made man, they might have contacts that can help them out. Its not a farfetched logic, far from it. It works both ways, its that simple. 

To survive this world you need so much luck and fair amount of cunning. So having the brain power to introduce a good friend into this world with 1 single objective is a smart move and something thats been practiced for many years. 

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I can genuinely say that I cannot be arsed with this now but with that said I will reply anyway. Maybe I should set the scene better?

For the most part I'm incorrect that leaders hold pros. So they do. Sound.

The rogue with 2000 kills shouldn't didn't kill everyone though, did he? The amount of dead in that period of time says there were plenty left unprod that maybe could've been saves. You however say not so fairs. You were there.

You pretty much said the Mades should look after themselves and not rely on my quoted words. If they had contacts, as you are aware and would expect then they pass them up the chain.

Just because something has happened for years doesn't mean it should continue to happen.

To be fair. I am almost playing devil's advocate as I fully appreciate the way this used to work but it doesn't mean it has to. I do stand by my comments though and truly believe in them even if I don't fully expect anybody to stand by them.
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atuP approached the stinky filthy gathering of people spitting on each others faces, dived into the ground, dragging herself through the dirty street and between people's legs. Then she suddlenly jumped up, pulled out her umbrella, everyone trying to understand what the fuck happened and, before anyone started again with the BORING STUFF she yelled:

"CAN EVERYONE SHUT THE FUCK UP. FREE BEERS AND ALE IN MY GRANDMA'S MEDIEVAL INN IN NEW YORK" 

I REPEAT. FREE DRINKS. IF YOU JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP. THANKS AND ENJOY"

She ran off and left a huge fart for them to enjoy.

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Hell I agree with what atuP said 

Lets go get some cocaine, do some gambling and get some hookers.

First one is on me but the rest you gotta pay for

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