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Sins of the Hand; the falure of Leadership Started by: HonestJohn on Dec 12, '24 20:32

The Life of an American mobster was measured in days and months rather than years and decades. It was a cruel existence, filled with back breaking petty crimes committed roughly every 3 minutes, and more serious crime commited every 15 minutes. It was no wonder the federal and local police could do nothing to curtail such brutal and relentless misery.

Instead it was left to Crewleaders of this fair and noble land to dispense rough justice and keep those returning to the Mafia safe. Strong people. People like SantoRubio, The Goatfather, or Mikus The Squirrelfather, and Spike the venomless smallsack spider. Great men.

None greater than Zombie Joseph Ligambi. As an Honest Man I've already remarked how peculiar and odd it is that this Joseph Ligambi has come back and taken on the same role as the decreased Joseph Ligambi. He walked like him, talked like him, even shares the same bed as him (Lets not open that can of worms). I bear no malice towards Joseph despite my choice of language, but I do have a question:

Should the Crewleader be punished for the sins of his hands?

I began pondering this question when I heard Vincenzo was hand to Joseph and then had chosen to go rogue, and upon further pondering I came across this speech from our very own Governmental Squishy God

A Crew Leader will be held responsible for the people they choose to be hands if a Right or Left Hand is caught breaking the rules the Crew Leader can receive a demotion, up to 10 days in jail, or Government execution depending on the severity and situation.**

What greater rule breaking could a hand commit other than betraying his oaths and turning on his family? Rogues are guilty men, I ponder to you this; if the Lord of these lands can see a correlation between a badly behaved hand and a Crewleader why is it the other leaders of this land do not follow his religious teachings? Let's be clear about this: the rogue scum is guilty and should be shot along with his awful hand, but let's be clear here, the Crewleader should also be held to account for the hands they choose, the people they employ and ultimately their failure to society.

It's time the zombiefied Joe was put down for the good of us all.

All the best, God bless,

Honest John.

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Don't trust this guy.

I was walking down the street one time and there was a blind lady, dog and everything, standing on a corner holding out a cup. Several pedestrians would throw spare change or a couple of dollar bills into the cup. I saw HonestJohn walk up to the blind lady and stick his hand in the cup and rattle it around a little bit so the coins made noise. Then he removed all the paper bills and walked off whistling some merry tune. He got about 20 feet down the sidewalk, stopped, turned around and walked back, and took the dog's ball.

He's not Honest, folks. He's a dick. He steals from blind women and dogs.

Dogs.

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Quite the mouth you've got on you there, John. The only scum around here is that on the bottom of my shoe, which if you look closely, has a striking resemblance to Luigi Trabotti. Shoe-Luigi aside, what oaths do you reckon I've broken exactly? I was a Wise Guy with Ligambi because he didn't promote me or anyone else beyond that. No books were opened for old Vinny. Didn't even sign his rules to be honest. The way I see it, whoever is in charge decides who is legitimate or not and around here that is....well you would probably have to ask Spike or whoever else is actually running things because it certainly ain't the boys at the top, but I guess he would say I wasn't legitimate. Or maybe he would. Pull another Ginger, eh? 

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WhyIsTheToaster I can honestly say that I'm honestly dishonest but yes I did steal from an old lady dog. So what? I had to do my petty tasks every 3 minutes as the law allows.

Vincenzo_Santoro, firstly I can't believe you're still alive. Secondly, I can't believe your Crewleader is still alive after you, as hand, broke the rules and went rogue. Do you agree that Crewleaders should be held to account for the behaviour of their hands?

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Well that really depends. Are we talking about really stylish behaviour or really lame, letting someone else tell them what to do and sitting quietly and taking it like a little bitch behaviour? 

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I think the realistic question here is should anyone below the rank of Made Man be made a hand?

I know I keep banging this drum but there is a reason why Made members have to be sworn in. I think Vinny, you don't mind me calling you that now you've started it I hope, has a point here. One I have overlooked previously.

If you're a Wise Guy then you've not sworn an oath of loyalty nor have any real loyalty to them.

The God's judge us by a standard but perhaps we should have our own. Perhaps Vinny has given us all another yardstick to follow and guess what..?

It relates to our system of trust and the ranks we own. Some that are given freely but then also never given at all. A Wise Guy is just that. You need to b a (wo)Man to do the big jobs..
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Alen it sounds like you're agreeing there's been a failure of leadership by putting non button men into hand positions.  Can I quote you on that?

How do you think Spike and in his infamous same-persona bloodline will respond to that? 

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Sorry. Just saw this response and now you're dead.

To clarify. I think that placing non-Made members into the position of power leave the leaders open to seeing them not being as loyal as members that have been made.

It's an interesting point Vinny made. He had not be sworn in by Joe and he left. His actions were dishonourable after this but Wise Guys, as far as it goes, are allowed free movement..

The God's hold higher standards in their rules then it appears we do but there are obviously other mitigating factors..
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