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| Attending the funerals of rogues | Started by: Kira_Esposito on Jun 19, '08 16:39 |
| Gues it only applys when its a rogue your not friends with. | |
| Reply by: Jonnie_Reese at Jun 19, '08 23:52 | |
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Perhaps you feel the way you do because you have not gotten your button as of yet. Perhaps that is due to the physics of Our Thing. Start Date: Jun 12, '08 00:38 Last Active: Jun 20, '08 01:13 Such a thing isn't possible, right? So if you put the needs of one above the needs of the many...what does that say about you, sir? It all depends who that one is. In my case, it's Jonnie_Reese. I've put his needs before everyone elses. On the flipside, if I felt inclined to pray at the casket of a friend who started waving the black flag. He knows with one hand, I'd end their disgraced life myself, and the other would be shaking hands at their respective funeral. That is Our Thing. |
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| Reply by: Lucky_Lombardi at Jun 20, '08 01:25 | |
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I believe you represent your family anytime you conduct business in our world. Sometimes you must stop and think about your actions before doing something, and think about the consquences. Respect is earned.. friends lost.. blood is blood.. and family comes first. Lights a cigar .. using a 20 dollar bill as a match.. |
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| Reply by: Alonzo at Jun 20, '08 01:41 | |
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Miss. Esposito's statement still stands, Mr. Lombardi...your button is not there yet, no matter how old you are, so one can only assume you say what you say because you have no reason to call yourself a Man of Honor, at least that's my assumption from all of what you have said so far, I have yet to hear you comment on anything of what I said earlier either, truth hurts maybe, who knows. But anyways, Mr. Lombardi. "He knows with one hand, I'd end their disgraced life myself, and the other would be shaking hands at their respective funeral. That is Our Thing." Maybe your thing. But in this thing of ours, we do not pay our respects to individuals who wished to harm something that we all should hold dear, Famiglia. According to your statement above, you would kill someone who was a disgrace, not only that but you're calling your friend a disgrace with that same statement, but yet at the same time you're saying you would actually pay your respects to this....disgraceful friend. Does that make any sense to you? This thing of ours, is about honor, loyalty and respect. I see no honor, no loyalty and sure as hell don't see any respect for your boss, in paying your respects to a man or woman who wished to kill your family and your boss. Do you? Stupid question since you already answered it, but thought maybe you would reconsider. |
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| Reply by: Valiant_Luciano at Jun 20, '08 04:00 | |
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| Good point. I think your thoughts should be kept to yourself if you're supporting a rogue. | |
| Reply by: Mr_Corleone at Jun 20, '08 04:05 | |
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How can you talk about honour, loyalty and respect when you are with a leader who got to where he is (because of a glitch) by being a rogue? I don't even care what your lie is to justify that, so just don't bother. How many funerals have you been to where people have gone "yeah, you are a piece of shit" my guess is zero as a fight would follow. It is a funeral. Sure they probably made some bad choices and this is where they ended up. Are you mourning the life or the last actions? My assumption is the former as I'd be surprised if anyone came out saying "God, what a fucking shame" unless they had a death wish. Considering this regime promised a freedom of speech and a whole host of other things (which we've seen very little of) don't you think condemning eulogies is a pretty far cry from that? |
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| Reply by: JamieHasABigFace at Jun 20, '08 07:27 | |
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Since I attended the funeral of Shadow, I felt maybe I should say something on this topic. My mother and grandmother had been friends with Shadow's father. I was unaware of Shadow's family line until after he was a rogue. We spoke briefly before he died. I went to the funeral to pay my last respects and to say good bye. I never met any disrespect towards my leader, and hope he didn't take it as such. I didn't refer to Shadow being a rogue at the funeral on purpose, because to me, that would have been disrespectful to my boss. But my family had known Shadow's family for awhile, and I felt I owed him a final farewell. I do agree however, that if I had gone to the funeral and said any words of encouragement regarding Shadow going rogue, that would have been a direct slap in the face to the man that took me into his family and gave me shelter and protection. |
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| Reply by: TanyaVincetti at Jun 20, '08 08:06 | |
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This is getting pretty foolish, let's look at it from another way. Say, the friend who died was killed on their own accord because of drinking and driving and I am an advocate against drinking and driving. Come on now, is my status within my anti-drinking and driving collation going to be in question now because of it? No. Heh, You guys are pretty heartless. Sure, business is business. If someone is threatening my family they need to go. No question about it, but the moment they've paid with their life... it's over. It's the decent thing to remember what honor is behind their memory. I choose my friends carefully Valiant, and I know regardless if they've brought shame or disgrace, there was honor and a solid reputation before they decided to gamble it away. Am I supporting them, no. If it endangers my own family, they'll be rewarded with a bullet in the vitals as I remarked earlier. On the same token, I'm going to say good bye to them, I'll even reach into my pocket and put two coins on their face for the ferryman. I'm not a man of grudges, and once someone has reaped what they have sown, it's over. In this specific case, their own blood and ending of life clears the debt. From there and this point, my quarrel is over. I also owe honor, loyalty and respect to the deceased. Not to the support of their foly cause, but simply to see the cycle completed, to see dirt laid on top of the casket, to see that it is over. To look into the eyes of their kin and back at the cold earth covering the casket, reminding them of the price of betrayal. |
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| Reply by: Lucky_Lombardi at Jun 20, '08 08:21 | |
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Lucky, I think you need to listen to what these people are trying to tell you since it would seem that you are not fully comprehending the gravity of it all. They're not saying "Don't attend the funerals of rogues" They're saying openly supporting a rogue by saying things such as "Well done" or "You had a good run" etc etc is not the sort of thing to be doing. Whether your business with said rogue is over or not, you do NOT show them your support. None of us are retarded here (Except a few I guess), you don't come across as an idiot Lucky so I'm sure you know what's acceptable and what isn't. I'd say a limited amount of respect should be shown at their funeral since any person is entitled to that, you may not have agreed with their actions but you can pay your respects regardless. *Shrugs* |
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| Reply by: Elias at Jun 20, '08 08:32 | |
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| Agree with Animal on this once I have to say. Any presence at the funeral of a rogue is disrespect to your leader and reflects upon your lack of focus on la famiglia. | |
| Reply by: Riak at Jun 20, '08 08:45 | |
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Jamie, since you are actively looking for people to shoot you, I won't keep you long. You do have freedom of speech, Jamie. This is what normal people call a debate. And regarding your statement as to how people got to where they are, perhaps you better go read in the library how the current leaders recognized the main rogue as being authed? And if you are referring to Mr. Luciano's statement (since he was the one who spoke of honor, loyalty and respect), his leader was already authed, so not sure what you are trying to accomplish other than being a "Negative Nancy". And if you consider leaders disrespecting the dead at funerals freedom of speech, then you can keep that aspect of it. Now Lucky...if the friend who died was killed due to drinking and driving, and you are an advocate of being against such, to be honest, it would probably even help your campaign even more so because now if you would go to your meetings you would talk about how your friend died due to it, and that would probably motivate you even more to be against drinking and driving. As you see, there is no conflict of interest...just sadness and determination. |
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| Reply by: Kira_Esposito at Jun 20, '08 09:01 | |
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When it comes down to it I dont think you can have a set of rules for speaking at the funeral of rogues, when i say that I mean I dont think it is simple enough to say you should or shouln't post at a rogues funeral. I think it comes down to the way things are said and how they are meant and I made a list - not an exclusive list of course there will always be other situations that arise - to try and explain what i mean. firstly there is the people still openly supporting the rogue even after death for example: Can't believe they killed you dont worry I will fight on and put a bullet in them in your honour pretty obvious whats going to happen after this but usually you wouldnt see this sort of thing unless the person was openly supporting the rogue anyways so it makes little difference. Then you have the people who are there because they have known them for years and dont care what they have done their bloodlines have known each other for generations these people dont have an example because they could say anything from something meaningless to saying a private joke their fathers had shared. You then have the people that knew the person and cant believe what they have done, shocked and upset by their actions. Never had you down for something like this, really can't believe it You have the group of people who are sad to see the rogue dead because they knew his father or he was a friend of theirs in the family sad to see you here, such a shame, sleep sweet and other such comments these are the ones that are the strangest and that I dont understand, yes you may have been friends and yes you may have been close to them, but you are forgetting this person tried to kill your boss, the person you have shown your loyalties to. Do these people not realise that if the boss was to go down then they also have a high chance of being killed in the aftermath. Yes its easy to say "but he didnt" but the thoughts were still there, do you think he was thinking of your future whilst aiming a bullet for your leaders head. somehow i think not. Then you have the other end of the scale the people that badmouth the rogue and shout hatred at the funeral well that worked out well didn't it bitch haha I hope you rot in hell now here we have another argumennt it is disrespect at a funeral, but then again it is the funeral of a rogue who has shown no respect himself. Does he deserve what is shouted at his final hour? Im firmly of the belief that if you have nothing good to say then dont say anything at all but we could have a whole other discussion on that alone. these are just a few of my thoughts and I have went on far too long already but I think it is a very odd thing to go to the funeral of a rogue and in these situations perhaps its best to keep your feelings in private rather than let them be known to others. |
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| Reply by: TheLoveDoctor at Jun 20, '08 11:21 | |
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sad to see you here, such a shame, sleep sweet and other such comments these are the ones that are the strangest and that I dont understand, yes you may have been friends and yes you may have been close to them, but you are forgetting this person tried to kill your boss, the person you have shown your loyalties to. Do these people not realise that if the boss was to go down then they also have a high chance of being killed in the aftermath. Yes its easy to say "but he didnt" but the thoughts were still there, do you think he was thinking of your future whilst aiming a bullet for your leaders head. somehow i think not. I do agree about going to a rogues funeral is causing trouble for yourself, but sometimes you go without knowing the facts. It happen to one of my ancestors, a former captain of his went rogue and he didn't know what happen when he saw many high rankers dead. He stopped in to say his respects to his old boss and got grieve over it. Not being informed can make you look foolish. Not being informed by your leaders when a threat is going on or a attempt was taken on a leaders life makes a hard decicion on going to anyones funeral. |
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| Reply by: CurlyTop at Jun 20, '08 11:44 | |
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| Mr. Reese if a bullet in my head is whats coming then it'd be no shocker, especially from your gun. My funeral post was due to the fact that bloodline was always loyal no matter who is in power. So maybe I do deserve a bullet but either way his bloodline has left these shores and that is a sad for me. Maybe not a sad day for you and whoever you're associated with but for me its a loss to this world of ours. | |
| Reply by: Jennifer at Jun 20, '08 13:54 | |
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| Oh and I'm friends with all rogues. Some just don't matter and others are people I'd like to keep around. Remember though, you were a rogue once too. So where was the respect and loyalty being shown with that? | |
| Reply by: Jennifer at Jun 20, '08 13:56 | |
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Jennifer.... Mr. Reese rose to power, he didn't die....did he? And he is now one of the leaders in our country, where is the respect and loyalty? I think the amount of members and followers he has answers your question in regards to himself. As for the loyalty and respect towards his former leader, maybe he felt like his leader....wasn't leading the way he should or could have? Who knows right? He did what he had to do, and he came out on top. Well done to him, now shut up. If you think he was the first "rogue" to come out on top like this, I can tell you there's more rogues out there that made it to becoming leaders, one in particular who made it to Don and actually authed 90% of the leaders in his days and also ran one of the greater families in this fucked up country. It's not about what Mr. Reese did as a rogue that counts even though he did a great fuckin job getting rid of shitty leaders, it's all about what he does now as a leader himself. The topic is funerals... I believe you should stick to that instead of trying to insult Mr. Reese. |
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| Reply by: Valiant_Luciano at Jun 20, '08 15:19 | |
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| All I was pointing out dear is that he was a rogue once himself. Also I've only seen one rogue other than him actually succeed. If there was another then my bloodline must not have felt like being in the life of crime then and missed it fortunately. | |
| Reply by: Jennifer at Jun 20, '08 15:44 | |
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Who was it, Jennifer? Now you have peaked my curiosity. leans up against the wall And here I am with no snacks...not even my own cookies. |
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| Reply by: Kira_Esposito at Jun 20, '08 15:47 | |
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Anyone who leaves a kind word for a rogue deserves death. Anyone who leaves a sentiment that illuminates that the mourner might've had suspicions that the person might go rogue deserves death. If a person dies as a rogue their funeral should be empty. People who post in their funerals are disgraceful and worthy of being spat upon by a legion of camels. Then again if you live as a rogue and destroy a whole conglomerate, then I will sing your praises and become your RHM. |
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| Reply by: WilliamWashtub at Jun 20, '08 17:03 | |
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