I like to hear what other`s think of the idea about your own CA can help you with your OC if you are in the same city

It can be like nobody other then you can see that he is helping

If he isn't around you can mail him and tell him that you need help with a job, since he already is corrupt he most likely will help to have some more money

Some of what other`s would have can go to you, say like 5 % of what he is getting

1.How can your idea be successfully implemented into the game as it stands?
2.What major changes would be needed to make your idea work?
3.What is the positive impact of your idea?
4.What is the negative impact of your idea?
5.How may your idea affect the rest of the userbase?

1.It may be some coding to implant it into the game

2.I dont think it will be a major change to make the idea work since a CA already is corrupt

3.The positive impact can be you make a little more on the OC since you are the master mind of it and it can be more likely to have success with it if there are not to many people online to help you

4.The negative impact for other`s that help you is that they get a little less for helping you

5.I'm not sure

Sounds good bud I like the idea your CA's should be able to help in some way

Already suggested here: http://mafiareturns.com/comm/thread/210332

 I dident see that before, but it can be a good idea anyway

Is there really any need to stick a post pointing out that a suggestion has already been made on every suggestion that has already been made Deadly?

Maybe, what with you being a leader you could go post in the streets where you get points?  So what if an idea has been suggested before, a lot of the ideas that have been suggested before have been one liners with no indication of how the proposed change could/would benefit the game, how it could be implemented etc.

Simply pointing out that something has been suggested before is no different to spamming.  I thought the general rule was if you don't have something constructive to say, keep it shut?

Shrug

Personally, I quite like this idea, it would help no end in the less frequented cities and at times of the day when not much of the userbase is online.  I don't really see how it will have a negative impact on the game.

1. Yes.

2. Like I don't post in the streets already? Yes, this one is around the same length as the previous one though and added nothing new at all. I have no problem with repeat suggestions, as long as a different twist/idea is put on it.

3. No, it is not spamming. If you like, I could just copy and paste all the the replies from the other thread and pretend they were mine? Would this make you happier? Considering only one line of your reply could be considered 'constructive' I don't really see how you can say that. Also, seeing previous responses to a suggestion which he obviously hadn't noticed WAS helpful to him.

Also, where I spend my time posting is quite frankly none of your business. If I choose to spend my time in the suggestions forum, or the business district or the streets then that's what I'll do.


As far as the idea goes, since you apparently don't like me just linking where ideas were replied to previously I will reply with a reply that I feel hit the nail right on it's head;

'Success rates would go back to normal'

I succeed around 90% of the OC's I take part in. I don't really see a problem with the success rate.

'It would make the people available to do a crime much more handy'

No it wouldn't, because CA's aren't people. When I start an OC, I make contacts by chatting to people on irc or by developing my vision and spotting folks in the locals. If you're too lazy to do either, why should you reap a benefit from OC's?

Reply by: Sprozz at Dec 23, '11 22:22

If you wish to take this further Cab, my inbox is always open - public arguing is never fun and just makes people look stupid.

~DS.

1. Why?  As far as I can see it a post for the sake of a post.  To quote the Suggestion posting guidelines:

"When replying to a suggestion please try to keep it positive. I understand that it is difficult sometimes and not so nice things come out, however, this is a forum for constructive discussions not bashing each other. "

A one liner does not constitute "constructive" discussion in my book, couldn't possibly comment on whether it does in your eyes.

2. Did I say anything about a lack of street presence from you? No, though having done a quick search I found 5 protection threads, a fairly short one about a casino, something to do with taking down someone in Las Vegas (which I actually quite enjoyed) and a welcome thread, not hugely impressive, but more than I have so I can't really pass judgement.

Did I mention anything about cut / pasting or claiming posts as your own? No.  

Would it make me happier?  No.  

One line of constructive is better than zero lines of constructive, wouldn't you say?  If you want him to notice previous replies, I guess his mailbox is also "always open" and it would save us from one liners that really serve no purpose and would also make him look less stupid.  

Do you get a kick out of berating the user base?  No clue, I'm not you, I couldn't possibly comment.

3. I am pretty sure that I didn't  tell you to go post anywhere.  I simply made an observation and suggested that your time may be better spent elsewhere:

"Maybe, what with you being a leader you could go post in the streets where you get points?  So what if an idea has been suggested before, a lot of the ideas that have been suggested before have been one liners with no indication of how the proposed change could/would benefit the game, how it could be implemented etc."

For this to constitue a demand of you, you would have to remove the following: "Maybe, what with you being a leader you could"

Simply pointing out that something has been suggested before is no different to spamming.  I stand by this.  Whether you think it is spamming or not is really of no consequence to me, I have other things to worry about save worrying about what others motivations / issues / worries / cares are.

Replying with someone else's reply is all good and well and furthermore, would it not have been more productive, in your original reply, to say something along the lines of:

xxxxxxxx, this idea has been suggested before in a previous thread: (link) 

After reading through both the replies here and the replies in the previous threads, this comment is the one that I feel has hit the nail on the head.

(paste of xxxxxxxx's post)

 
I mean I know you are massively busy and such but how much longer does it really take to expand on a one liner?

Aaaaaaaaand finally, why would I want to take it further with you in your inbox?  I am not arguing.  I also don't give a flying rat's ass what other people think or make of me, if I did, I wouldn't be long for this world and would more than likely not post in the fear that someone might hurt my feelings.

*kiss kiss*

Cab.

Cab_Tufting,

Did KingCola not begin his post with, "I like to hear what other`s think of the idea about your own CA can help you with your OC if you are in the same city"
DeadlySin provided him a reference which would have provided him with several suggestions and responses to an idea that had already been discussed in the past.
How do you consider pointing out a reference as spam, but you do not consider the act of posting a NEW topic on a subject that was previously discussed not spam?
Would it not be beneficial for all to CONTINUE the topic in the original thread? This would bump up that topic to the front pages of the board and it would already provide a multitude of responses and ideas on that topic for not just the poster, but all readers who might have not seen/read the initial posting.

Hardly a post for the sake of a post - like you said, I get no points for it right? Either way, I didn't bash him. I pointed out that it had been previously suggested and directed him to the discussion previously held so he could see the responses there which I feel covered the subject quite well already. I kept my post short and to the point, as I always try to.

Yes, it was a one liner. But it directed him to at least three other responses to the idea which I felt valid.

I never did say that you said I had a lack of street presence... All I meant was that I post in the streets and other forums as well as here. My point about cut/pasting was referring to the fact that I could've just done that instead of providing the link, and it would've been exactly the same.

My link provided him with more than one line of constructive discussion, yours was just one line.

I also didn't say that you demanded anything; you suggested that I spend more time in the streets and I replied telling you it was none of your business where I spend my time. Just as it's none of my business where you spend yours, and definitely not my place to even 'suggest' where you spend it.

I will end by quoting one of your lines back at you; "Whether you think it is spamming or not is really of no consequence to me".

*kiss kiss*

~DS.

The difference being that mine was my own "constructive" discussion whereas yours was simply a link directing him towards response's that were not your own.

So again, we roll back around to the question:

If you have nothing constructive to add / say, why bother?

Phil_Steak, I really don't need DS's who-err, coffeeshop chat room buddies sticking up for him, he's a big lad, I am sure he can give just as much as he gets.  I am also a little perturbed how a new topic about something that has been discussed before can be constituted as spam?  

A definition of spam in it's verb (I think) form:- To send the same message indiscrrimnately to (large numbers of recipients) on the Internet.

Essentially, this is what is happening here when posting "already been discussed (link)" multiple times.

Cab_Tufting,

Cab_Tufting,

When I see an idiotic response, I make sure to point it out. Doesn't matter who is involved in the discussion.

Now let us take a look at your definition of spam please.

DeadlySin takes the time and effort require to locate the previous posts on a subject. Not only does he only provide just one post, but he will provide multiple posts if they exist.
He is giving a world of knowledge for the user to review. KingCola clearly even ASKED to find peoples opinions on the matter in his opening sentence.

Now lets take a look at this for spam. Instead of the poster taking the time to see if an existing topi existed, he simply posts the same message to a large number of recepients (viewers of the forums) that had been posted previously.

DeadlySin provided the poster of exactly what was asked for, an insight on peoples opinions.

And I feel DeadlySins contributions provided us a reference to threads which had several responses that were a lot better than what you had provided:

"Personally, I quite like this idea, it would help no end in the less frequented cities and at times of the day when not much of the userbase is online.  I don't really see how it will have a negative impact on the game."

Holy shit man, my 6 year old little cousin could come up with that response. 


"It helps me because then i don't have to put in effort when doing an OC to find individuals in the same city as me".

How about you look in your locals to find who is around, message them letting them know that you are hosting an OC and find out when their timer expires?
How about messaging Right Hands or Left Hands of that city and asking them if they can see if any of their family members are online at that moment in the city to accept your invitation.

How about you put some effort into developing your character and not posting useless "I agree that this is a good idea" without providing a logical backing.

Your constructive sentence was only added at the end of what you said to me, almost an afterthought more than actually coming in here to discuss the suggestion.

I did add something constructive, that is what you're failing to see. I showed him that his idea had already been suggested some months beforehand, and had not been added in after that - and showed him other peoples comments on the subject at the same time. Personally I find that much more constructive than one line saying you like it because there aren't enough people for OCs.

And no, that is not what happens when I post... "Spam is the use of electronic messaging systems to send unsolicited bulk messages indiscriminately."

My reply was not unsolicited. Therefore =/= spam. Also they are not 'bulk messages', as I actually put the effort in to locate previous suggestions that are the same. The reply is individual to each thread. Therefore, again, =/= spam.

Phil, 

Phil, 

He said he wanted peoples opinions, he didn't say he wanted a one liner pointing him to threads that were written 3+ months ago.  Added to that there was one post of note on there, from Sprozza, which DS later referenced in a much more "non spam like" way.

Time and effort was taken to locate a thread that is in the third page of the forum?  How much? 2 minutes, maximum?  Probably the amount of time it would have taken him to reference the thread, as he did further down the line and elaborate a little.  A world of knowledge is a little far fetched to be quite frankly honest.

It is not my definition of spam, it is the, or one of a few that are very similar, definition of spam, let's get that straight: -

https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ix=seb&ie=UTF-8&ion=1#hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=define%20spam&oq=&aq=&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&gs_l=&pbx=1&fp=eca6a646aa0fe0a2&ix=seb&ion=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&biw=1920&bih=993

"And I feel DeadlySins contributions provided us a reference to threads which had several responses that were a lot better than what you had provided:"

If you feel DS's contribution provided a reference to a thread which had several responses that were a lot better than what I contributed it just goes to show you are opening your mouth and engaging your brain without doing the research.  Of the 3, that's right, 3 replies that were contained in said thread, one was of note, the one DS referenced, whilst the other two were pointless one liners.  Next time, I suggest you check to see what has been written before you go making grandiose claims that cannot be substantiated. 

"Holy shit man, my 6 year old little cousin could come up with that response."

Personal attacks are not allowed my friend, look what happened to Birday when he wrote in character stuff in a paper regarding peoples in game accounts.  I have not resorted to personal attacks and don't understand why you feel the need to.  Sexual frustration, bored of jacking off to the same copies of razzle your dad passed down to you? Anyhow, I digress. 

I don't see you coming up with anything better......login early in the morning GMT wise and see the situation for yourself.  Unless I am on info, which I am not, how do you expect me to see said people.  I am not a massively forum active person and am not going to run around spouting off mindless drivel in the forums to obtain said info.  I could make an announcement in #divinelunacy but as we well know that kind of thing is frowned upon.  So I am left in a bit of a catch 22, do I hold off on the OC until more people are on 5 hours time, thus lowering the amount of OC's I can realistically carry out in my lifetime or do I potentially invite a CA to do the crime with?  If the CA is not giving the money back to other players, crews, myself, what is the problem?  NPM's could be invited, why can CA's not be? 

It has got nothing to do with putting in effort to find people, if people are around that are:

A: In my family.

B: In a family that is tied to my family.

Then you can be damned sure I will go down that route as money would be much more useful in the hands of real people than a mindless zombie.

"How about you put some effort into developing your character and not posting useless "I agree that this is a good idea" without providing a logical backing."

As far as I can tell, there was nothing that I posted that simply said "this is a good idea".  Let's look and analyse:-

"Personally, I quite like this idea, it would help no end in the less frequented cities and at times of the day when not much of the userbase is online.  I don't really see how it will have a negative impact on the game."

As you can see, I stated that I personally don't see this as a bad idea.  And I think I have a valid point on the helping in less frequented cities and when a lot of the userbbase is either in bed, at work, having sex, eating etc etc.  I then go onto say I don't see how it would have a negative impact on the game.  If people want me to elaborate, hell, I am more than happy to elaborate and will do so.

"It helps me because then i don't have to put in effort when doing an OC to find individuals in the same city as me".

This was most certainly not what was going through my mind when I wrote the statement.  But it is nice of you to go assuming what I am thinking at any given time.

*kiss kiss*

Cab.

Cab_Tufting,

As I clearly stated:

"And I feel DeadlySins contributions provided us a reference to threads which had several responses that were a lot better than what you had provided:"

I am refercing his CONTRIBUTIONS. Not his sole contribution to this one thread. I am referencing his other respones in other threads which link to numerous threads which have multiple responses. You can see a direct example of this by visiting: http://mafiareturns.com/comm/thread/231877

To add to that, your comment about me not reviewing the thread that DS had linked to... let us take a look at this please:

Taken from: http://mafiareturns.com/comm/thread/225575

Does:

http://mafiareturns.com/beta/toolbar/

Not work for you?

Reply by: Cab_Tufting at Feb 27, '12 13:05


Did you bother to check the link before suggesting it for others to use/try? Error 404 much?

Also, I would hardly consider my comment a personal insult, however if you wish to assume its implications, let us look at your comment and its implications:

I have not resorted to personal attacks and don't understand why you feel the need to.  Sexual frustration, bored of jacking off to the same copies of razzle your dad passed down to you?

To imply that I am unable to engage in sexual acts with partners (which is hilarious, because I am more than willing to bet I am a far more attractive mate to a female than you, physically as well as other attribute, such as a good job, very nice house in the hills, etc.). But thats not even that insulting. Lets take a look at you referencing my father passing me a publication which is known for consisting of photographs provided by viewers of their wives. This indirectly implies that my father and I have some sort of disturbed incestual relationship where we openly discuss and share masturbating material, and furthermore, that it may consist of images of my mother. My friend, I find this grounds of possibly reporting harrasment.

But furthermore, I would rather go back to your hypocracy of DeadlySins responses. Not only did you provide absolutely nothing in your suggestion in this thread, may I provide a quote from a previous suggestion you had provided you two cents on (obviously, you like to spend a great deal of time in the Suggestions forums)

From : http://mafiareturns.com/comm/thread/231284

"Erm, while we are at it lets make doing petties and felonies automated too huh?

And it would also be nice if the game would fly around for me while I am asleep selling drugs.  And can we automate IA chasing too.  Like, put my IA's in a list and the game will fly around wacking at them for me.

Automation, automation, automation.  Bad idea, in my opinion.  Do you really get that many OC requests that the personal message is an annoyance?

Reply by: Cab_Tufting at Mar 04, '12 11:25


I see you here, complaining of automation, but not only that, you are shunning and insulting a users suggestion. I hardly see any... what is that you asked for..

"If you have nothing constructive to add / say, why bother?"  (from your repose in this very thread mind you)

Ahh.. yes.. nothing constructive to add, why bother?  So why did you provide you, oh so very constructive post in the other thread?


Oh, and how about this:

OH SNAP.  Hypocritical much?

 I was merely pointing out the shortcomings of it.  It is an "Organised Crime".   If you have trouble understanding that this means it takes some "organisation" then please be quiet.


Let us automate organized crimes by adding NON CHARACTERS to this, right? Thats not automating it. No.. that's skilled organizational skills.

Oh, and please do not "kiss kiss" me again.

Thank you all for the feedback on this

Some times there are only 50 online and not all in one town and if you are from a city with only 20 members it can be hard to organise it

I also have had trouble to succeed an OC for 2 peoples even with 3 or 4 in it so I can't see that is very normal that you have to get maybe 2 too 5 more then it says that you need to do it