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| The People's Voice Again! | Started by: Animal on Jun 30, '08 23:57 |
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I'd say it's you that's way out of your league Valiant pal, you are making a fool out of yourself repeatedly. I will keep my words shot and monosyllabic when I can so we can all understand each other nicely. Hopefully then we can have a higher level of comprehension here. When Animal made the speech, and asked for opinions; it is obvious to even the most simple minded, that he would receive any opinions and feedback, for he was the instigator of all debate and discussion. A relatively simple concept that even a child could grasp. If I sauntered up to President Coolidge right now and denounced his foreign policies and economic restrictions, it would not be a personal insult. If I told President Coolidge that his nose is probably bigger than his penis, it would be a personal insult. Again, and it seems I must reiterate a thousand times, in no point there did I insult, defame or otherwise comment on Animal personally. My comments were all regarding this policy, and by proxy, my comments were directed towards the leadership as a whole because by your own admission, it is a policy all the leaders have embraced. Again, this is an overwhelmingly simple concept that even a child could grasp. "When you decided that as a Goomba you're equal to him" I didn't decide I was equal to him. The leaders, by asking me and the other peons to essentially auth a leader, decided I was equal to him. Surely if I wield the power to decide who will take control of a city, I also wield the power to disagree with an influential figure? See, it's a viciously two sided sword, and basically the entire reason why I am not in favour of this scenario. "the policy was put forward by all leaders" Yeah, it was. But who actually put it forward? Who physically notified the masses of this policy? Oh yeah, Animal. So ipso facto, who is going to receive all comments, questions and feedback on this policy. Is the penny starting to drop yet? "Don't ever step up to tell a Don what he or she does is a "bad move"" That in itself is an insult to Don Animal. Are you telling me he exists in a bubble world where he thinks everyone agrees with him other than his Right Hand Man and senior advisors? Or is it more that he has earnt the right not to be questioned? Well I'm sorry, but personally, were I a Don I'd prefer people to call me up on things rather than agree with me blindly at every turn. Such behaviour promotes nepotism and stagnancy, at best. Also, if you want to call me a moron. Regardless of anyone's rank, that's absolutely fine. The difference is I'd respond in such a manner that would help me understand why you think I'm a moron, rather than exploding with high and might, self righteous anger; as you are doing now. Also, on the broader subject of respect and conduct, please note who arrived at the street spitting out curses and shout erratically. Surely such etiquette is more befitting of a thug than a Boss? |
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| Reply by: IronMan at Jul 01, '08 10:58 | |
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| Please forgive the odd mispronunciation at times, my multi tasking sadly isn't what it used to be. | |
| Reply by: IronMan at Jul 01, '08 11:00 | |
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Valiant Obviously I'm talking about the real Amber. The one which wasn't condemned by it's initial leader. Hope that clears it up for you. Wouldn't want to make that mistake again. |
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| Reply by: LostPaladin at Jul 01, '08 11:33 | |
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"My comments were all regarding this policy, and by proxy, my comments were directed towards the leadership as a whole because by your own admission, it is a policy all the leaders have embraced. Again, this is an overwhelmingly simple concept that even a child could grasp." You're a Don. These decisions are yours to make Unless the plebians vote in the majority for your preferred candidate If we back a substandard candidate, you are left with a lacklustre leader, or one you can't trust; you either like it or lump it and be viewed as a hypocrite by the masses. And even worse, the lines are being continually blurred here, sir. it's no wonder you have people addressing you as equals, arguably as I am now. "My vote? Consult other leaders and, if necessary, your inner sanctum, if you feel an auth is necessary." To me, and this is not an insult, it looks as though you're trying to be overly magnanimous and friendly with this lavish gesture. You're a Don though, so we know you're not; that taken into consideration, may as well auth whoever the hell you want. Explain to me, how that is; My comments were all regarding this policy, When all you said was aimed AT him and NOT the fucking topic at hand. How are you grasping that this shit is a decision made by all leaders, when you blatantly aim all your fucking crap at ONE man out of five leaders? Where in all that shit do you, once... mention the "leaders" except for saying that he should "Consult other leaders", which clearly points out that you don't even grasp the whole fucking thing about it being from all the leaders in the first place. It's not until your last response you start saying "the leaders". Maybe my words got through to you in a way, but maybe not since you seem to think that your first response was appropriate and that none of it was personally against Mr. Animal, but as I just pointed out... all that you said was about how bad this idea was, but you put it all on Animal and not all the leaders as a whole. Your last response doesn't mean shit to me because I already know who and what you were aiming at in your first response, now that... even a child could grasp. "Don't ever step up to tell a Don what he or she does is a "bad move"" That in itself is an insult to Don Animal. Are you telling me he exists in a bubble world where he thinks everyone agrees with him other than his Right Hand Man and senior advisors? Or is it more that he has earnt the right not to be questioned? Well I'm sorry, but personally, were I a Don I'd prefer people to call me up on things rather than agree with me blindly at every turn. Such behaviour promotes nepotism and stagnancy, at best." Call you up on things in a respectful manner, and criticizing you personally when it's not even all about you. Is two way different things, IronMan. You did the latter to Mr. Animal, so basically you're going against your own beliefs and quite frankly...being hypocritical with that statement. So no, I'm not insulting my boss, however I am standing up for him, and if you say I am insulting him again... I don't think cursing would be the only thing you see, let me remind you you're not talking to a Goomba nor Gangster. So insulting me with that statement isn't helping you much at the moment. "Also, on the broader subject of respect and conduct, please note who arrived at the street spitting out curses and shout erratically. Surely such etiquette is more befitting of a thug than a Boss?" And your mouth isn't barking up the wrong tree at the moment? A Goomba insulting a Don, and now a Boss? Or do you think you're a Godfather in order for you to speak the way you have towards Mr. Animal, and even myself when you tell me *I* insulted him with one of my comments that was aimed at you. Think about that, respect is earned IronMan, and you earned none when you came out here to aim everything you had to say at my boss. When you do earn some respect, I'll speak to you in a manner that I believe is respectful. |
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| Reply by: Valiant_Luciano at Jul 01, '08 11:55 | |
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| Ah, LostPaladin... You're right, but then again... The real Amber was never part of this place. And as for your witty comment, let me throw it back at you, yes it was condemned by its last leader, the one who chose to change the name because she was told to, funny isn't it? The man before her who ran the family was worthy of calling the family an Amberite family, but the woman who took over after him was the one who condemned it. So yes, you're correct, want to end it there or do you have any more witty comments? | |
| Reply by: Valiant_Luciano at Jul 01, '08 12:02 | |
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I'm only insulting you because you're a sycophantic moron man. More on that later though, for now I have more pressing matters to attend to. |
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| Reply by: IronMan at Jul 01, '08 12:07 | |
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I don't really have anymore comments to be honest as your last attempted retort didn't actually make any sense at all... I presume you are talking about the daughter of the great Anita when in fact I was talking about my old now of that1 friend Raymond Ganelocchio I'll presume you are confused and go play with Ironman in the garden. This place, you mean when I took the train from my last apartment which I moved from 3 years ago? Duno where you came from, though many find that hard to fathom. |
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| Reply by: LostPaladin at Jul 01, '08 12:11 | |
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| I vote for Shawty! She's my CL and I think she'd do great! | |
| Reply by: Peepshow at Jul 01, '08 14:41 | |
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I have stayed out of this since my first remark, which was addressed to Anon, due to his manner of which he made his comment, there was nothing constructive about his remarks or Paladins. P.S Only post in this thread if you have questions about the contest. I believe that was one of the requests made by the Don himself. I have yet to see one question in response to this competition worth answering. Instead, a few individuals felt it was worth their time to come here and state their obvious disagreements. The solution is simple, if you don't want to take part of the competition then don't. Don't want to vote? Then don't. Don't agree with the guidelines or the manner in which the competition is being held? No one asked you. Like I've stated before, time's have changed and along with change comes new idea's. No one is forcing anyone to compete, it is simply stating that they would like to see someone actually put the effort in into promoting themselves publicly. Would you rather knowing about future leadership? or is the average Mafioso who just keeps to themselves and crimes their way in rank, good enough to run a city? I for one think it's a great Idea and look forward in seeing who represents themselves the best and wins over the popular vote amongst Mafioso's. Instead of arguing, let's let those interested in partaking do so, and those who'd rather not partake, continue doing whatever it is they do. This is not the way to act publicly without repercussion. Now I will ask kindly, if it's not a question about the competition, don't respond. |
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| Reply by: KingKobra at Jul 01, '08 14:44 | |
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KingKobra, I have yet to see one question in response to this competition worth answering. Hmm...? I am quite sure I asked a question, put an arguement towards it, and surely it must not be worth answering? Well fucking fine then. Please ignore the "Why the hell" part of my original question. I apologize to Animal and to all the other Crewleaders whose idea it was to put this idea to the masses. I was seriously ASKING a question. If Animal didn't like the terms I used in my reply, he could have easily done something about it or replied to what I said. That is all, Anonymous. P.S. For the love of God, Mr. Valiant Luciano, wipe the brown off your nose. I understand you are defending your family, but please look at it in a more objective view. |
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| Reply by: AnonDelivers at Jul 02, '08 04:23 | |
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The only thing I heard in Animal's speech was 1.The people would get to choose a leader for New Orleans and 2. If anyone had any questions on the contest, you can ask here. I didn't hear 3. Hey guys, I came up with a new idea for auth - what do you think of it? So really the cause for all of the street hoopla was because some thought Animal said 3. He couldn't had said, meant, or implied the third question because he said it was something in which all of the leaders would be partaking, nor did he ask for opinions on the very idea itself. And no one is brown nosing Annon; it's just that Valiant gets quite passionate when he believes someone is insulting his leader. I guess he should have just sat back and nodded his head while this was going on. Valiant as well as Iron Man were going at it, and Iron was the one who started this bonfire, so to speak. If Valiant is labeled as a sycophant for all of the leaders (because Animal was representing all of the leaders), then I guess Iron Man would be the distractor in this case. Hmm...this sort of sounds like an outline for a novel. A not-so-good novel, but still one nevertheless. |
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| Reply by: Kira_Esposito at Jul 02, '08 06:31 | |
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It's all my fault, I admit that/ Lap it up. |
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| Reply by: IronMan at Jul 02, '08 07:15 | |
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He does say "I have come up with this" actually... The beginning says "we" have a predicament but then it becomes "I" am presenting the solution... |
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| Reply by: LostPaladin at Jul 02, '08 07:16 | |
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Okay so I didn't listen to the entire speech for one simple reason. The minute I heard people had to vote I became disappointed. There have been debates raised in the past by those who were not in power that the public should have more of a say in the authing process. Personally I believe that is the biggest cop out the CL's could make. What are the CL's afraid to take the responsibility of auth? Do they not want to make that decision in cause their auth screws up and they get burned for it? Or is this just another way to try and placate the masses, make it seem like they are given a choice when behind closed doors the answers have already been chosen. The CL's are the ones in charge this ain't a democracy....what right does anyone under the rank of mademan have saying who would be a good CL or not? Yes those who are going for auth should be out on these streets, but not vieing for the publics love, they should be out here to show those in power that instead of just being another face in the crowd they have the ability to rise up. To get themselves noticed for who they are and what they do, not just because they can talk up a storm... |
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| Reply by: Althalus at Jul 02, '08 16:33 | |
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Althalus.. Anyone under the rank of MadeMan has NO RIGHTS unless afforded to them by there leaders... You guys don't like it? Fine. You as that masses can't handle a little change? Ok. Like i s s |
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| Reply by: Animal at Jul 02, '08 18:53 | |
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lets try this again... (ooc i hate laptops) Like i said this was something new to try.. seems that most of you just cant handle it.. thats fine.. just proves to me that the ones who are in charge need to be in charge because you as a whole can't understand shit. So from here on out the compitition is null and void. New Orleans will remain empty for a while longer :( |
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| Reply by: Animal at Jul 02, '08 18:55 | |
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Animal where exactly did I say they did? Really this is a piss poor attempt by the leaders if that is what you are calling yourselves to get on the good side of the public. Why the hell do you care? You are the CL's you run the show, no matter how you butter it up thats the way it's always going to be. Don't try and gloss yourselves over in a for the people light because hell it ain't gonna happen. If you were for the people, hell if any CL in the history of our world was for the people and I mean the little peons that run about then auth, rank, kills. It all wouldn't mean shit and we'd be holding hands, singing songs and smiling each and everyday. :D |
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| Reply by: Althalus at Jul 02, '08 18:59 | |
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| Pours out a little liquor for the City of New Orleans.. | |
| Reply by: Alonzo at Jul 02, '08 19:02 | |
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Althulus your are correct I honestly don't personally care. I just thought we as a community would try something new... But i guess change isn't what you all want. Sorry to dissappoint you but new things are gonna be tried, and as you can see some things won't work and some things will. I know some of you think what we do is just us trying to get on the good side of the public and to that i say how wrong you are, but i don't see why we can't try to make things better or different. |
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| Reply by: Animal at Jul 02, '08 19:15 | |
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| Hey everyone. | |
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