Personally, I don´t mind the fact that you need to closely monitor somebody until the very last minute to see if a fresh gangster will join your side or the enemy´s.

I am even ok with the fact that if they are speedy enough to join, get auth, shoot and drop out, then they deserve to get away with it. But if shot and killed, they should come up red, or perhaps even black.

Maybe we could even look into what defines the red and black. Maybe trained or mugged means red but an outright shot at an actual playing account means you don´t even get to be red and beocme just a regular death?

I don't really see a problem with how the current system is set up. A -48 who commits an aggressive action will still appear red in the obituaries, and, unless it's changed, the site still goes by a proof basis before removing accounts, even in times of war.

With that out of the way, pro wacking accounts can generally be scouted out by checking how many units they have as well as matched up with their online times - it's up to the opposition to do the math. While the intentions of the original suggestion are decent, there's simply not that many instances where new-player slaughtering occurs, even in a war situation, and I'm pretty certain that this would only let the opposition hunt their enemies faster, rather than safer.

I think that the second option is a good thing. I mean, how innocent can someone be that has joined a crime family?

Much like others, i'm against Point 1.

Point 2 however, I agree with. If you've joined a family then you are now under their protection, if you risk leaving that family for whatever reason, then tough, your on your own.

I just noticed that if this idea gets another sponsor one of the details to debate could be the following. When the gangsters drops out, does he lose the -48 tag or he just loses his innocence and we find out when we see him in the obits?

I can agree that a -48 should definitely lose any protection or innocence they may have had with their -48 if they join a crew and drop from it.