It takes a mans man to shoot a Wise Guy based upon actions of his forefather over a year ago. This is the single most pathetic action Ive ever seen in this thing of ours

Hark back at hundreds of Street speeches.  How many times have people been advised, nay ORDERED, to "rank up, train a gun and do something about it"?

How many?

Well, today someone did.  And is slated for it.

That's because there was nothing to do anything about... Yes, your father killed a Left Hand from Philly. But for completely bullshit reasons, which had no substance behind them whatsoever. All your father did was rank up, train a gun and rogue - there is a massive difference between that and the old saying you quoted.

You have achieved nothing other than pissing a lot of people off.

Because he was WRONG. Get that, through you're thick fucking head.

What exactly did you do, but gun down one man that was of no current threat?

What did you achieve, other than to disgrace a family name that I didn't think could sink lower than it had already?

"I never said that he was going to rogue, I said that he was biding his time before he could set up"

So basically you are saying that he was patiently waiting until it was the right time to "set up" (a term used to infer one has AUTHORIZATION to run a family) and then, as a Crew Leader rank up as fast as possible and try to be the best, strongest, richest, most powerful leader out there.

THE HORROR!!! MY GOD!! Thank you so much for shedding some light on this issue and... wait, I just realize that maybe sarcasm is not the best way to talk to you. You might miss the point.

You have no proof that PremShark had any bad intentions or plans to do something that most respectable bloodlines eventually try to achieve.

Fellows, there is no point in arguing.  I had very reliable information that the deceased planned to get himself into a position of power ASAP.  My father, selflessly, laid down his own life to prevent this happening.

Only the militant, hothead, offspring of the levellers of cities and the ruiners of all that is good will be mourning today.

I have had many notes of support: your identities are safe with me.

And DS, you would be VERY surprised about some of the people who contacted me.

Again, you seem to go back and forth in a central issue. Was PremShark planning to go rogue or just try to get himself as high up the food chain as possible?

You said he wasn't going to rogue, so you must mean the latter. again, I ask you, what the hell is wrong with trying to be as powerful as you can in a line of business like this?

This is still being a thing?

Really?

... Okay.

There are two points to address, I will set them out here.

Premshark's father acted in a certain way.  The same way his father, grandfather, great-grandfather etc etc acted.  It is extremely likely that Premshark would have acted in the same way.

That's the first point.  

The second point is that my father knew this was going to happen, ranked up, trained a gun and prevented it - as so many have urged on these very streets.

This are the pertinent points.  Premshark's small but vocal band of mourners are miffed that one of their own is dead.  It's to be expected.  

Well Avram_ I have very reliable information from a very reliable source that your information is bullshit. And I can guarantee my source trumps yours. Take your diahrrea of the mouth and go spew to your little buddies that actually believe your lies. To the rest of us, you are pathetic and untrustworthy.

Avram_,

And which way did his fathers act? What exactly did they do that needed to be preventing?
Was it the countless times he had given your fathers the chance to rehabilitate their reputation? Maybe had your fathers followed the guidelines expected of mafioso, they wouldn't be shitted on as they are in these days.

Now more importantly, let us look at the way your father acted:

"However, had my father known your opinions of -Premeir, he would probably have arranged protection and taken out more of your members."

Does this not scream rogue killer? He not only kills a hand, but would have killed my bodyguards and my members?

It sounds as though your family DID do more violence, and would have DONE more violence, than Mr. PremShark.

There are two points to address, I will set them out here.

Premshark's father acted in a certain way. The same way his father, grandfather, great-grandfather etc etc acted. It is extremely likely that Premshark would have acted in the same way.

That's the first point.

The second point is that my father knew this was going to happen, ranked up, trained a gun and prevented it - as so many have urged on these very streets.

This are the pertinent points. Premshark's small but vocal band of mourners are miffed that one of their own is dead. It's to be expected.

1) He acted like himself? Thats hardly a point since thats normal for people to act like themselves. What you're saying is you don't like his bloodline which is a different issue and says something about the thought put into what happened.

2) So you have 400 more people to kill since essentially everyone is going to rank up and train a gun?

People want to respond because the logic you present to the streets is flawed and a self-proclaimed "master manipulator" should be well aware that you can only bend the truth so far before people see the holes in your arguments.

Phil_Steak, what are you talking about?

It sounds as though your family DID do more violence, and would have DONE more violence, than Mr. PremShark.

What family?  What violence?

Ghost, when did I/my bloodline claim to be master manipulator?

Avram_,

Your family... your father, attacked a left hand of Philly. This is more violence than Mr. PremShark had ever done.

You also stated that, your father would have attacked my bodyguards as well as my members.

"However, had my father known your opinions of -Premeir, he would probably have arranged protection and taken out more of your members."
Sounds like your father was a violent man. Mr. PremShark had made no threats to anybody. Sounds as though your father would have DONE more violence if he was let alive.

Phil, man, I'm virtually speechless...

Did you miss the bit where I said that my father knew Premshark would act like his father, as in kill dozens of people for no reason?

You father couldn't tell the difference from a bat shoved up his ass to taking a shit.
Simply put, your father was incompetent. It must be genetic.

He took our your LHM and prevented a notorious bloodline from developing.

Fairly effective.

And he's got your SERIOUSLY riled up.

Lolz. Lolz at the hardcore CL DeadlySin bringing private messages to the streets then acting like 10 men. Lolz at everyone who has bitten so far to the next of kin and lolz. Prem got dead.

You stopped nothing. You may have delayed a bit. And like you've been told already, that is not the right interpretation of the quote.