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| An Open Letter to Christina | Started by: MichaelHaller on Mar 28, '26 12:17 |
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Mickey was a bit shocked as he entered the streets, betrayal had that effect on a man. His suit was wrinkled, he hadn't shaved, but he probably still smelled better than Christina. |
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Since my name was mentioned. I mean this in the most respectful way I can, but didn't Harvey_Specter rogue as a long time RHM to Sniffler or something? He was very caring of them... Trusting of them... Sounds pretty hypocritical, perhaps some introspection is needed. Sniffler remembers.
Speaking of bloodlining, who killed Nutcracker? Maybe that was the sleeping dog that shouldn't have been touched.
Everything has a reaction. Ripples in the water. |
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| Reply by: NoKingsSpikeS at Mar 28, '26 14:26 | |
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Yeah you need to be shot after this. You people trying to live above "revenge" or "purging" are delusional. |
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| Reply by: Cuphead2 at Mar 28, '26 16:04 | |
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You could not gauge any of this based of past actions? That just seems like terrible leadership. |
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| Reply by: Cuphead2 at Mar 28, '26 16:21 | |
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Appearances can be deceiving, Cuphead. This is actually great leadership. What you are suggesting is that we return to a perpetual cycle of blacklisting our adversaries. That is not a healthy dynamic and experience has proven that ad nauseum. After disposing of a certain ruling alliance that followed your suggestion, most agreed that we had to do things differently or we would be signing our collective death warrant. We all want a healthy Cosa Nostra, even if that means giving the occasional burgerhousing dickbag yet another chance, and even if it means we occasionally have incidents like this. We cannot and should not try to completely sterilize the world. |
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| Reply by: DickDickman at Mar 28, '26 17:48 | |
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Seeing as you approached me in respect spike, let me return the favour. No, Harvey did not rogue as a long time RHM to Sniffler, especially in the way that you mean. Harvey made no bones in voicing his concern over who Sniffler was in bed with, and what alliances he chose to foster. He had tried several times to persuade Sniffler to take a different course of action. |
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| Reply by: MichaelHaller at Mar 28, '26 20:34 | |
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Respectfully, MichaelHaller, it's fine to have a different opinion, but your ancestor did betray Sniffler, after many years of friendship. Your ancestor disagreed to the point of turning on him and shooting at him and his allies. You were his Right Hand for many months, and you chose an outside party over him. I am not saying that morally what you did was particularly wrong, but for the same reason, you do not have ground to stand on here morally against Ketamine to try to shame her or anything.
A key difference here though is that Ketamine did not shoot at you or your La Frat allies. Instead, she chose to attack a different group, because her ally and father The Great KW was murdered (Nutcracker) a few days ago, with no explanation. It was a clear execution by someone, and the blame pointed East (whether that is wrong or right, who knows). I believe that one of the things that quite upset Harvey was when Sniffler killed Curtis/Disorder, so how is that any different? Action leads to reaction. You bring up loyalty, but you yourself proved disloyal for a very similar reason. Had Nutcracker been left be, Ketamine would not have done anything; she could've done something a long time ago.
As an aside, are you saying that Ketamine was more fit for Underboss over TheGarbageTruck? She can be a bit squirrely, but she has offered to help with the job fair, so that's a plus.
Now, the spicy question is, will Buu rogue at your camp again for revenge? |
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| Reply by: NoKingsSpikeS at Mar 29, '26 02:41 | |
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It's nothing new that the Spike lineage has selective hearing and cherry picks talking points on the path to nowhere. In other words trying to stir the pot when there is no pot. I was going to come on out here earlier after you and Cuphead chimed in but let a sigh. I sigh at boring rhetoric. God bless Mr. Dick Dickman for taking his time to bring back the cohesiveness my boss brought to the streets. No matter which way or road you want to take this down, Christina was dead wrong. But this is contraire to your ideologies. Sadly, you are not alone. I want to shake Mr. Dick Dickman's hand and thank him. He was spot on. Now I would like for you to go pay your respect at Nutcracker's funeral. The doors do lock soon. Look around and you will find who did pay their respect. I did was there and did not see Christina there. I do not want you get stuck on stupid too long so I will go ahead and spell it out so everyone is on the same page with your foolish ideologies. Your kin is KW's protege. And KW is Ketamine's. It trickled down to bad teachings. No getting around that. Nutcraker and the innocents that died today was a real shitty way to go. It marks a failure of character with Christina and whoeve killed Nutcracker. Before I close off you should know I take no issue with Michael opting for Christina to be his captain. You're barking down at the wrong one. I do find it comical you know damn right well I lived the dream. I do not carry a sense of entitlement to be a upper or a CL. It has never crossed my mind. I come and go. Many times solo by choice. The last regime put a nail in the coffin. When I decided to put my head down in Detroit, it was not long before I was experiencing deja vu. For that I am greatful and tip my hat to the regime who buried you. You are twisted. |
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| Reply by: TheGarbageTruck at Mar 29, '26 04:14 | |
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Again, you are wrong Spikes. Harvey did not shoot at Sniffler, nor any of his crew. In fact it was Sniffler that killed Harvey, and you believe wrong. If Sniffler killed Curtis/Disorder, Harvey was unaware of it, and in fact Sniffler had the sense to keep it secret from Harvey. Harvey wasn't upset, Harvey saw murders and treacherous snakes all around him, and warned Sniffler repeatedly that they could not be trusted. All you have done is shown is that Harvey couldn't even trust the man who made him RHM, because that man kept him out of the loop. |
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| Reply by: MichaelHaller at Mar 29, '26 07:07 | |
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All of this spat and it seems the likely hood of finding a common understanding is out of arm's reach. It is a shame that someone who was given a chance would be so cruel to the leader who had shown kindness over spite. It's a truly difficult feat to accomplish, MichaelHaller, we must commend you for that despite the chaos it caused. I, Enricho, know how a situation like this can cause a cavernous divide, but Michael chose to show compassion toward someone who proved undeserving in the end, I am sure the mistake is heard loud and clear in his ears. Further arguing the semantics of the past is fruitless, this you must all know. It is only forward that we strive. Anyone living on past grievances will show their ugly faces and commit heinous acts against those on their proverbial lists. It is how man kind has fallen to war after war against brothers. We must not allow our ancestors to pave our futures. We will all perish if we allow such a mentality to prosper. I, Enricho, shall be the voice of the mediator for you all! Let not the past rule you lest you live in a hell of your own making! I commend MichaelHaller for putting the past aside, but this memory will forever be a scar and I fear he won't show the same kindness to those under the KM family tree. I, Enricho, hope these words of wisdom take hold: let bygones be that and live away from each other. Wish each the best within your own confines. Grow apart so that respect may be found one day. |
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| Reply by: EnrichoLives at Mar 29, '26 12:58 | |
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I don't think anyone is that surprised that the bloodline of Ketamine tarnished her reputation yet again. Known purger, one that bloodlines, now rogue. Her bloodline killed many innocents for the spike bloodline over the years, a spike lackey if you will. I also find it funny to bring up Sniffler is any light besides the same dim flicker as Ketamine. Another purger, another who bloodlines, another spike lackey, another future rogue? Rest in peace Drieza, a greater mobster and member of our community than the three I mentioned combined. |
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| Reply by: Kristoff at Mar 29, '26 13:49 | |
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This goes by the old adage, it's a double edge sword. On one hand what is best for the community is to look past the actions of ones kin and give their sons/daughters a clean slate. On the other hand, it's tough to do that, if you know of past actions and you are fearful similar actions could occur again and no one wants someone to rogue out of their family. Now, having said that, no one wants blood lining to run rampant here either. It's not good for any of us and definitely not good for the community as a whole. Now then, take Mr. Haller for instance, he knew of Christina's families past history, yet he chose to ignore that and give Christina a chance. Very noble in my honest opinion. Unfortunately it didn't work out this time for him. Will he be more cynical and less trusting in the future? Maybe, possibly,,,,, probably and honestly who could blame him. |
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| Reply by: Bruiser at Mar 29, '26 15:13 | |
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Matt steps forward, taking a moment to look over the crowd before speaking, his expression somewhere between measured respect and quiet amusement. I applaud you, your speech here today was not just words thrown aimlessly into the wind, it was something that feels like a rarity these days, accountability. You gave someone an opportunity, you stood by your word and you upheld that word even when you had every quiet reason not to. It is all to easy to lead with paranoia, to shut doors before they are even knocked on and so much harder to leave them open and accept the consequences when someone walks through them with ill intent, but you did not fail here, the person who chose betrayal did and that is a difference some people yet again seem eager to try and blur. I always find moments like this interesting as you get to see two very different types of people step forward. On one side you have those actually trying to make this thing of ours work, speaking with context, with thought and with some understanding that if we reduce everything to decade long grudges and knee jerk reactions, we will not have anything left worth building. They might not always agree, but at least they are putting something of substance on the table. And then on the other side you have short jabs and half formed points, the same recycled 'gotchas' dragged out like they mean something new this time, stirring the pot just for the sake of hearing it clatter as if that alone means anything. Fortunately it does not take a great mind to spot the difference. Some of you seem to have made a career out of circling conversations like this like a pack of hungry hyenas, tossing in a jab here, a prod there, hoping something sticks or sparks but dressing it up as wisdom does not usually make it so. It is always much easier to criticise a man for giving trust than to accept what the alternative actually looks like, a world where no one gets a chance and everyone dies for a name they have not even proven. We have seen that world with previous regimes and it is not clever. That is the part some of you keep missing, whether intentionally or not. If every decision is driven by fear of what might happen, then eventually nothing meaningful happens. No trust, no growth, just a slow grind into the same tired cycle of suspicion and retaliation and some of us have spent a long time dragging this thing away from that edge, not perfectly, but deliberately. The only mistake that Michael and others have made here was thinking that kindness and opportunity would be met with the same in return and no amount of wordplay or historical gymnastics can change that. As for the constant reaching back into old stories to try and score points in the present, if your argument needs a history lesson every time it stands up, it likely does not have much strength in its own legs. At the end of it all, this is quite simple. Someone kept their word, another did not and some of you are very, very loud for how little you actually say." |
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| Reply by: Matt at Mar 29, '26 15:49 | |
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TheGarbageTruck, I’m not going to bother replying to that nonsense. Feed the squirrels. Play bingo. I heard they give out free jello. Do that instead of becoming a liability.
MichaelHaller. Looking at my notes, I see that Harvey shot at Craven, and missed. I recall Harvey shooting at others close to Sniffler, and in his city. Harvey was Sniffler’s close friend, and he didn’t stand still. That’s okay! They had differing opinions.
Sniffler didn’t keep the Curtis situation secret from Harvey. I remember him tiptoeing around the subject with him before Curtis was murdered, and I remember him complaining to him after. Sniffler and I both thought because of their relationship to Lil Sniffler, that he would keep loyal. He did not. That’s it.
I am not accusing you of any wrong doing. The only point is that what Harvey did isn’t so dissimilar to what Christina did, and you do not have any right or grounds to grandstand in your “open letter.” It’s hypocritical, and you can stand here and shame it for political reasons to try to appease those who lost Drieza and Elky and etc, but at the end of the day, you have done the same thing in your line. You have disagreed with your leader and a regime and their actions (‘murders and treacherous snakes’). Nutcracker was murdered!
Further, clearly, Sniffler’s allies were trustworthy to Sniffler, as he never was once turned on by them. So, you were the one that was wrong and giving bad advice to him because of your own personal feelings about your outside allies who you later acted with during their grand attack, you being the betrayer in that situation. In this world, that’s life. We all have our allegiances and they can sometimes battle each other.
As for the comment on your hand, I'm just referencing your own words. "Who do you think was in line to be my captain? I'll give you a clue, it wasn't TheGarbageTruck."
Kristoff, it’s a miracle to see you coming into the office for once. Calling someone a purger as a diss, Berserker/Bjorn, is funny as hell. Are you able to keep Buu in line before he rogues again? Or will you help him lead the charge yourself against Grin and co?
This whole situation is very simple. The west coast had a member get purged out by the name of Nutcracker earlier this week. Whether they did it themselves, or they had no knowledge of it, and a “sneaky purge” was done internally or by the East, or by pressure of the East.
Ketamine acted in retaliation as Nutcracker was supposedly being granted safety, and that was not upheld. She did not shoot at her crewleader or his direct allies or city though. It’s not some big drama betrayal where Ketamine confidence gamed her way to the top. She was a hand that hadn’t been spoken to particularly before being made a hand out of the CL being desperate.
Someone purged KW. KW’s protegee reacted and shot the King of NY. Very straight forward. Maybe someone can come up with a witness statement or own up to it? Sneaky executions are pretty lame. I like to show my face personally. (Tongue Out). |
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| Reply by: NoKingsSpikeS at Mar 29, '26 20:31 | |
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Ahhhh, and he it comes, revisionist Spikes Alternative History. |
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| Reply by: MichaelHaller at Mar 29, '26 22:02 | |
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Not sure if you’re being completely disingenuous or your memory is clouded about the Curtis stuff.
I don’t deny being a bastard and a cutthroat gansta. Either way, beyond whatever Curtis stuff, based on what you’ve said recently, Harvey didn’t like who his CL worked with or what he was allowing to go on, MURDERS. But you aren’t addressing the fact that KW was purged or MURDERED, and Christina acted in retaliation against a regime that allowed that SNEAKY MURDER PURGE to go on. How is that different? You didn’t like a behavior. She didn’t like a behavior. Accept that sometimes, you rage against the machine, because your ancestor did too. Bun-na-na na-na na na-na-na. |
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| Reply by: NoKingsSpikeS at Mar 29, '26 22:29 | |
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False equivalency. Harvey fought directly against the regime that was killing people for no good reason. Harvey let his CL know exactly what he was doing and why, and gave him the opportunity to end it early or join in. |
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| Reply by: MichaelHaller at Mar 30, '26 00:17 | |
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Why is Nutcracker dead? Was it for no good reason? Do you have an explanation? Do you know who did it? This is their fault.
Nothing that was done in that era was for no good reason. We were calculated. Disorder? Kill him. He would go against us. He tried. That’s all. Fuck him, into the trash.
Mr. La Frat, you literally have worked with Disorder before, several times. Knock off the front. It’s OK for you when Disorder and etc do it, execute, purge, dominate whatever… I won’t bother citing the news stories or announcements about what he did. But it’s not just that you were complacent when he did it, but your line was also an aid to that regime. It’s not okay when others do it?
Your ancestor stood up because his La Frat allies felt they would be wiped at the time, and lead an attack first. Good on them. They made the right choice. That’s why I never held that against them. However, you betrayed your CL to help them try to topple things. Don’t make it much more than that and be self-righteous. You had other friends. You helped them. You weren’t happy with things, but you betrayed your CL to help your friends. (And that’s just fine, your CL learned he couldn’t trust you, move on.)
In sum, Harvey betrayed his CL. You can’t spin it any other way. It was a betrayal. Are you going to deny it wasn’t? He chose his own path. He had his own self-interest. It was against his CL’s wishes or strategy. That’s it.
Christina didn’t plot and scheme, silly goose. Her papa was murdered, and she reacted. He trained her. He took her to school. He pushed her on the swing. He was murdered. It was covered up by someone. You guys clearly weren’t looking that deep into it? And god knows you probably wouldn’t do shit about it.
Christina told you who she was. I was asked by LV myself to confirm who she was early last month (2/12). I was asked, specifically, “is Ketamine still one of your friends” and I replied, “Closer with KW” …
“Closer with KW”… KW gets murdered… Ketamine rogued. Don’t you see the action… reaction?
I didn’t have to control or coerce anything. A dead father is enough for someone to be motivated to action. Not some grand puppeteer conspiracy.
Now you just feel bad because your own betrayal of someone who was supposed to be close to you got brought up, and you know you look silly here trying to shame someone else for retaliating against something, just as you claim you were. Hypocrite. Lick your wounds and look in a mirror for a bit. |
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| Reply by: NoKingsSpikeS at Mar 30, '26 00:49 | |
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The sun was out, bright and indifferent, making it feel like this was any other beautiful spring day. But, with the lingering smell of gunpowder and blood fading, no one gathered here had come for the weather.
They stood shoulder to shoulder in tailored suits and polished shoes, listening to Michael, the next in line to rule Detroit. The same Michael, who casually lets others run his crew and promotes people he doesn't give the time of day to get to know. Because that is what good leaders do. Ketamine bumped shoulders to get to the front of the crowd, talking above the murmurs, "So, my mother could've been a contender, authorized for her own crew"?
Peeling back the black lace veil from her sharply pinned hat, she specifically addressed her former boss, "That is quite the spin. Given that I can count on one hand the times that you reached out to Christina one on one. From what she passed on to me, you did not even ask her if she wanted to be a hand, let alone run her own crew. You could have gotten to know her but chose not to. You were barely around. If you didn't know my mother, then how did you come to the conclusion that she deserved the hand position and continual promotions? A crewleader spot, despite all your musings over concerns over logging in every hour and other things? What’s with that?
"So, you admit that you and your right hand know nothing and never bothered to ask my mother. I had told other leadership in LV that I was MissAnnThropy and Lena early last month. You say she didn't step up, yet she was active in crew chat daily, even more so after you complained she should do even more. Christina sponsored for recruits, more than we can recount seeing you. She donated over millions upon millions, instead of helping herself. I know for a fact, she never ignored a mail from you, I have receipts. These are lies, Michael. You are frothing over with them."
Ketamine sighed and vaguely gestured with her hand, "This is all beside the point. Bringing me to events leading up to yesterday. This talk of the current regime being any different than the machine that they replaced is laden with hypocrisy. We saw Nutcracker murdered just like his father before him. This was not an isolated incident. Neither had been disloyal, lied, or contrived, yet someone saw it ok to murder him because of his lineage and bury any witnesses before they could leak statements. I have read diaries of my mother's, and again this was not the only time.”
A faint smile touched her lips, but it carried no warmth.
“But for one man, it would be the last day of his life: the one who was the strongest, and possibly had some awareness of the murder of Nutcracker, or at least his friends likely did. Now they stand in his blood."
She turned, her gaze swept over the crowd, knowing, as though she could see through every tailored jacket, every practiced expression, every carefully buried secret.
She again addressed Michael, "I do not think my mother was disingenuous or attempting to fly under the radar, but because you thought that, you extended more trust and faith toward her but never got to know her. Is that correct? This is the story that you are choosing to sell. My actions yesterday, as much as they may have hurt your pride, were never directed at you. My mother did not make any attempts on your life, nor TheGarbageTruck, where she slept in Philly, like she could have. She had no reason to. She hadn't planned on any deadly course of actions at all. Ever. However, the latest purging of Nutcracker, because of his lineage, set a fire in her. I knew my mother very well. Her goal was accomplished when she pulled the trigger on Drieza. 'An eye for an eye'."
"But of course, the bloodshed couldn't stop there. Who would allow that? Elkmilk was some odd baited sacrifice. Christina was quicker. An entire district gone, just like that. Now, Christina's last and final shot was an accident. Shots were fired at her bodyguards by El_Presidente and others surrounding Christina and her entourage; she shot back, killing El_Presidente. It was unfortunate. All of that said, my mother was the only shooter; she acted to avenge the death of her dear friend and his father before him, who were purged and for the hypocrisy still blazing today. It’s pretty disrespectful to assume I do not have my own personal agency. Those in charge, really running the show and pulling the strings now, are no different today than a year ago. At least the past powers were up front about it. You talk of loyalty and trust. It's a two-way street, a thing my mother and her papa knew well. You all, not so much. You'll see in due time." |
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| Reply by: Ketamine at Mar 30, '26 01:21 | |
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The only words that stand out is that mouthful of gibberish. It was I that came to the conclusion you did in fact have a personal agenda before the demise of Nutcracker. You used that as an excuse to move forward sooner. My gut is a wonderful asset I have. You see Ketamine before I was made RH I spoke with Michael about you. When I was informed you were related to the kin of Ketamine and Anne Thropy is when I began having mixed feelings. Something was tugging at my gut instincts. And I do not ignore my gut instincts. And Michael being who he is continued to trust you. You have to give him a reason to remove you. He does not purge like you became accustimed to doing. Hell how many of your kins crew members were purged by you and how many did you allow to be purged? I lost count. The mixed feelings were stemmed from when my kin had your kin in my crew. What an absolute delight your kin was in every aspect. No biggie I did not see that in Christina. I mean as the world turns we endure changes. Your interaction amongst crew chat was not quite up to par. And definitely not what you stated. When you spoke sometimes it was very easy to sense it was only to keep up with status quo before the Gawds. Michael and his kin have a very long history of being approachable. Whatever ailed you from the past he would have sat down and listened. And rest asssured you would have felt at ease after a chat with him. And when all was said and done you would have had a golden opportuntruly to truly make a name for yourself. You have not to date. You and your kin sadly have been viewed as a muppet and a tool. You have great potential but you have taken the wrong path. Wouldn't you rather be respected and like by more than a handful of people? What you did was nothing short of proving where your loyalty lies. Can't you admit it was wrong? Or are you to indoctrinated? |
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| Reply by: TheGarbageTruck at Mar 30, '26 02:00 | |
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