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| The Tortoise or the Hare. | Started by: Rabid on Jul 29, '08 06:33 |
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A young Wiseguy wonders out into the streets looking like he has some thing on his mind, after a short while people begin to gather round to see whats going on. "Morning folks" "Today I would like to bring up a topic that I have wonderd the answer to over the many years I have been around these same streets" the crowed begin to look intrested at what the weird looking man has to say "Today I see a new generation of these young mafiosos running around with there trousers down low and there hats at funny angles with coloured tishes hanging out of there pockets", "but they have this nack that I have not seen before.." "They reach great ranks in familys some of them even starting there own and this is all done in a matter a weeks from being a low life Thug". "Now I have read back some of my forfathers notes of greats who have made ranks I myself could only dream of, but they always spoke of the time it took to get such positions and now I see people reaching them in such small times". Which brings me to my next part so stick with me here "In a time of war with all these people know with semi automatic guns as spoken about by FlyingPig in his topic called As The Pig Sees It a great read if you have the time to read it I advise it". Anyways before I ramble on anymore where was I "Ah yes in a war you have the hitters looking to test there guns out on somthing abit better then your average kill ie: a ranked mafioso, then its WAM BAM THANK YOU MAM your high ranked account is dead". "Then you see half of the lower ranked members make it out alive and live to see another day". "So my point here what I'm getting at is it such a good idea to jump threw the ranks at such a rate you basicaly make yourself a target or is it better to take things abit slower and make a name for yourself while doing this, so when the time is right that you make the ranks which were once so greatly valued you can feel like you have earned it and so does the rest of the community"? The young Wiseguy sits down on a box and listens to what people have to say |
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Unfortunately Rabid, during times of war the higher ranked family members will be attacked irrelevant of whether they got their quickly or slowly. The only chance some might have of surviving is a long standing friendship with the aggressor of such action. I guess its just the way wars are done within this thing of ours. |
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| Reply by: Mont at Jul 29, '08 07:49 | |
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"your high ranked account is dead" Ey mang...my only account is a bank account. You get ranked accounts? Which bank gives you one of them? How do I get a bee-lee-onaire one? |
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| Reply by: Themistocles at Jul 29, '08 08:40 | |
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I have to agree with Mont, during a war, speed of ranking makes no difference, if they are a threat, they will be a target. If the person took 2 months to get Made or 10 days, it doesn't matter, they are both Made men or woman (so Alessia doesn't spank me). If you suspect that people are speeding through the ranks and are in positions within the family that perhaps they shouldn't be, I believe blame is with their leader who promoted them, not with the individual who has been Made. |
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| Reply by: Rhuarc at Jul 29, '08 10:07 | |
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I agree with both Mont and Rhuarc. The speed in which you rank plays no part in a war, if your ranked high, your a target whether made in minimum time or not. However for myself, I am more interested in the quality of my life and not the speed in which I live it. |
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| Reply by: JMK at Jul 29, '08 10:37 | |
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| Up to a certain point all promotions are automatic so the blame is not solely on the Leader. | |
| Reply by: Shagggyd at Jul 29, '08 10:38 | |
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I have to agree with JMK. After all aren't most of the prominent people in our community the ones who have had ancestors on these shores and have shown that their lineage is a strong one? Quality of life is much more important than speed at which you move up in this thing of ours, and the people who fathers and mothers are known to be good people will more enjoy the benifits of life. SO I would say doing your bloodline justice would be the goal. |
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| Reply by: Czar at Jul 29, '08 10:51 | |
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Thanks Czar and JMK since I re read my thread and relised it didnt quite come out as I had planned but over all the main idea was a debate about people now with titles such as Consig that are 3 weeks old. I think that ranks don't seem to have the same meaning anymore to what they used too and its a shame to see things leading that way. Would people not prefer to take a step back and slow the pace down abit so the ranks can be worth more then that of lately? I remember the days of when if a Mademan was found dead there would be shock but now its just a case of its just another capo or boss etc. |
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| Reply by: Rabid at Jul 29, '08 11:03 | |
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| Shagggyd, you are correct, promotions to wiseguy are solely on merit but Mademen are promoted by their leaders, hence why I said Made men or woman. | |
| Reply by: Rhuarc at Jul 29, '08 11:07 | |
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| I agree that our titles have lost the flair they once had. When my family first came to these shores, when somone was made it was a major deal. Then even more so if the rank were higher. However if someone happens to rank in the least amount of time, then that shows they are very hard workers. Then the weight of the persons character weighs on the shoulders of their leader if they should be ranked higher. Rank doesnt make you great. Your character, and how you carry yourself in this worlds does. | |
| Reply by: JMK at Jul 29, '08 11:11 | |
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JMK you say if you rank faster it means you have worked hard now the last thing I want to do here is to give examples of accounts that are Mademan or sadly even higher that have less then a handfull of posts and not many more mails, How can this surely be the work of someone who deserves such titles? I don't think spending a day breaking people out of jail or robbing your local shop every 3 minutes should be enough to earn you titles like Mademan, capo ect. As I said this is an open debate and I'm more then happy to hear all sides on this but thats just my opinion. |
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| Reply by: Rabid at Jul 29, '08 11:17 | |
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Turns to face JMK You have a knack for taking the words out of my mouth friend. I must admit, I am fairly new to these shores. I have been very fortuitous in the time me and my bloodline have been in this business of ours. But I would like to think its hard work, dedication, and what my boss saw in me that allowed me the opportunity that was given to me. |
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| Reply by: Czar at Jul 29, '08 11:24 | |
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| I never stated that someone should recieve any rank other then the automatic ranks, when based only their efforts towards crime. I did state that their character should make the difference if they should rank any higher. After wise guy there is nothing automatic about it. They may have the points for godfather, but that does not mean they deserve it. | |
| Reply by: JMK at Jul 29, '08 11:34 | |
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| How quickly someone reaches the auto ranks is a sign of what someone can do. The quicker they make them, it shows that they have devotion and that is something that needs to increase along with rank. | |
| Reply by: Shagggyd at Jul 29, '08 13:03 | |
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JMK you say if you rank faster it means you have worked hard now the last thing I want to do here is to give examples of accounts that are Mademan or sadly even higher that have less then a handfull of posts and not many more mails, How can this surely be the work of someone who deserves such titles? I don't think spending a day breaking people out of jail or robbing your local shop every 3 minutes should be enough to earn you titles like Mademan, capo ect. As I said this is an open debate and I'm more then happy to hear all sides on this but thats just my opinion. So we are now approaching the crux of your issue, it may have been far easier if you had brought this up initially. So what do you think people should do to attain to the ranks above made man? |
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| Reply by: Mont at Jul 29, '08 14:07 | |
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| Maybe establish a business? be assigned a younger member to train up? there are many differnt things that happend in the mafia before you were just given such titles, I dont have all the answers to fix this issue hence why this is an open debate to see what others think and maybe see if anything can be implemented from it. | |
| Reply by: Rabid at Jul 29, '08 14:22 | |
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