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| A Question of Loyalty | Started by: Lemon_Head on Aug 12, '08 21:05 |
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Lemon Head timidly comes to the corner, clears his throat and speaks to any nearby mafioso who want to hear. He holds at his side the diary of a deceased Wise Guy Whilst in a local speakeasy i found this dusty book on a shelf. It tells the life of a hard working yet respectful criminal. He started of in the underworld of crime with little understanding and friends however through hard gruel and time he began to make money and connections. His biggest connection was Skulls his beloved Crew Leader who he would do anything for. Skulls was great to him and took him under his wing, when he gained rank of Wise Guy Skulls even gave him the responsibility of Intelligance Officer for the crew which he took gratefully and put his all in. In his diary he shows examples of the records he kept and work he did to try and piece together the other families hit squads. I liked the sound of this man, he was well mannerd and appeared to be a good earner, something we all aspire to be, so i read on. It seems after this he became really ill and bedridden for days, he mailed his boss to say he could not work and the Intelligance Officer position was passed on temporaryly. At first he was not too bad, he made it into work a few days to show his face however it then got serious. Whilst in bed and unable to reach the streets and his mafia world he wrote more in his diary. He spoke of his unconditional loyalty to his family to which he donated atleast $1.2million and how much he was dieing to get back in the game. Now here is the twist my friends, as the handwritting changes in his diary to that of his sons. After 7 days,whilst he lay in his helpless state it seemed the family that he had grown a member of was now using him as a training range for their own men. Murdered by what the man thought were his brothers/sisters. Now this really got to me, it seemed the loyalty this man gave was not recieved. I know the rules of the Casa Nostra and understand if a person in the world of organised crime is not active for a week he is eligable to be Wacked however should this really be the case if the family knows he is coming back and previous to his inactivness was a hard working member of the family. I also thinks whats worse is that the murder was committed by his own family. May he rest in piece and lord i pray his son is more active and does not fall victim to the same cruelty. Now speak up people, should the inactive law be changed for higher ranks in crews or should everyone be used as training ranges? |
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Mary over hears the topic of discussion and thought to herself about laws that have been passed down by the gods Listening to your story does make me feel sorry for that man who was ill then killed. But the laws are the laws. The mistakes were not in our system of existence, but by those who used little sense and no loyalty to do those dirty deeds. If I was ever to make a leave of absence, and I had informed my boss as to what was going on, then I am 100% sure that he would have let the rest of my crew members know. But yes I could be inactive after some time, but will I not still be tagged? Would I not still wear my badge proudly? If you ask me, that man, seemed to trust to easily. It isn't a bad quality, but it worked out against his favor on that occasion. She left the streets to get back to some work, still puzzled on how a leader would let one of his own die, if he was informed on the what exactly was going on. Was he really informed?... |
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| Reply by: Bloody_Mary at Aug 12, '08 21:23 | |
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Personally, I think it's rather despicable to be used as target practice if you have given word to your Boss that you will be gone because of unforeseen circumstances. I generally don't even like the concept of shooting your own family member over inactiveness anyway; only if the member has been careless, has not put much work in, or is a general hassle, but it's still up for debate. As for the way you worded the story about your father, it seems he had been wronged in being murdered by his own family after he specifically had given word of his illness; My bloodline has personally seen dozens of accounts of people blatantly asking a crewleader if they can take the life of one of their family members under the excuse of being inactive; Having no knowledge of their situation or problems that may have caused such a state - usually resulting in being harangued by the crewleader later on for the ethics or audacity of such a question, only to be shot by the latter after the fact. There seems to be a certain line in ethics that people don't seem to mind crossing for the extra notch under their belt nowadays when the standards were so much higher in the past. |
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| Reply by: Syriana at Aug 12, '08 21:23 | |
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Sam_Rothstein fortunately just so happens to hear of Lemon_Heads words concerning the death of loyal members who turn IA and are betrayed by family, then decides to share his views... I feel that this is a very strong point made, my father was killed on the same basis as this. It gives crew leaders a weak excuse to trade a family members loyalty for a training session involving their .45. I understand fully that if a player of a low rank turns IA and has a minimum mail record and no posts then they are no use to the family, and death may be considered. Although, if a regular player with a strong record of earnings, donations and general involvement is murdered, it is an act of true betrayal and disrespect. Sam_Rothstein leaves the debate, lights up a cigarette and returns to business with the thought of his father, Columbo in his mind |
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| Reply by: Sam_Rothstein at Aug 12, '08 21:30 | |
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Flying Pig listens with a look of contempt, but it is plain that he is not surprised by what he hears What is this "inactive law" that you speak of? There is no such law. There are no laws at all, except those that each Boss makes for themselves and for their own families. There are, however, traditions. One tradition is that if a member of a family is taking a leave of absence, he should notify his Boss, and his place in the family will be saved as long as he returns at the time he states in the notice. If a family member gives no notice, then how is anyone to know he is coming back at all? If that is the case, it is understandable that the man could be "fired". What you are describing was nothing more than an opportunistic move made by a Boss who had no concept of family unity, loyalty, or good business sense. People, this is what happens when you give great responsibility to someone who may not be ready to handle it. A common complaint is that there is an aristocracy of sorts in this thing of ours. People from the same bloodline frequently are given great opportunities, while others never seem to get them. My reply to this is "Tough shit. When they prove they are capable, they will get their opportunity". Others, however, have responded with more sympathy, and when they had the power to do so, gave an opportunity to someone with questionable ability and experience. Without exception, the results have ALWAYS been horrendous. Until someone can gain the skill, experience, knowledge, and MATURITY to run a family, their cries of unequal opportunity should fall on deaf ears. One minute it will appear the charitable thing to do to give someone a new opportunity without carefully pondering the decision. The next minute we are regretting our decision as this inexperienced doofus makes a mockery of our traditions, uses his power to kill indiscriminately, and sets a bad example to those who are watching and trying to learn. Skulls was not ready for the opportunity he was given, and your father suffered the consequences of the poor decision to auth him. |
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| Reply by: FlyingPig at Aug 12, '08 21:58 | |
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Silk quietly snickers about the 'tough shit' comment by FlyingPig. She steps forward to say a few words after him. What a crazy world we live in. A sick man notifies his boss he'll be out of work for awhile, but he was killed by his family's hit squad. After all the stories I've heard nothing surprises me including this, but I imagine this kind of thing makes a young mafioso think, 'Fuck loyalty.' It's unfortunate some people don't think about their actions and how they influence youngsters. On the flip side, the son of the sick man could've learned a good lesson from his father's death, he died an honorable man because he was loyal until his last breath regardless if the loyalty being appreciated or not. |
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| Reply by: Silk at Aug 13, '08 00:14 | |
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Lemon offers a hug to Silk as the point about his fathers loyalty cheers him up after the grief hes been through Silk, i appreciate the change in point of view, i now know there are people out there, even CLs who think "Fuck Loyalty". I have learnt from my fathers tale and will be more cautious when i get ill again. |
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| Reply by: Lemon_Head at Aug 13, '08 00:38 | |
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| I would agree Lemon_Head, your ancestor was given a raw deal. If he was a member who was allowed to be relatively inactive due to illness then an extended absence in my family would be allowed due to the obvious conclusion that the member was ill again. But as FP pointed out, not all family heads act the same. I do agree with Silk tho, there is always something a new generation of a family line can learn from their ancestors whether there was a righteous death or other. So good luck to you and I'm glad to see someone with obvious ongoing respect for the ways of our world despite a situation which would have many exhibiting bitterness and disrespect. | |
| Reply by: Alessia at Aug 13, '08 03:38 | |
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I hate it when I join conversations such as this after FlyingPig - there's really not much left to say. Some people are born to lead, I disagree that it always needs experience, there's been some great first time leaders over the years, but they are generally the exception rather than the rule. Being a crew leader is not a matter of slipping on a new suit, watching the cash roll in and going about your daily business just as you always have. It is a huge responsibility, and one which is all too often taken far too lightly. |
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| Reply by: OhCrap at Aug 13, '08 04:00 | |
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Christian proceeds to complete a prerequisite generic action/expression before speaking. Now I may be young, inexperienced and impressionable but I see it like this; everyone who is not earning is expendable. While unfortunate for the afflicted, illness is highly inconvenient for criminal enterprise. With limitations on how many people can be utilised by one family, people not or unable to pull their weight become surplus to requirements. A family head has one question to ask himself with regards to the so called "inactives". Do I hand onto this lump of wood or do I make room for another earner? The bonus of the latter being a free kill for hit squad training purposes. We all know how essential family security is. |
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| Reply by: ChristianColucci at Aug 13, '08 04:17 | |
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Lemon takes on board all the wise words, and reflects on the kind CLs who respect the loyalty of their family Thankyou for the time you have spent on this street corner. I Leave a wiser man. I hope my story has raised thoughts and hopefully in the future CLs are not so quick to use their family as a training range. Lemon loiters round abit more as he is always welcoming to experienced voices or those who have the time to offer a view |
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| Reply by: Lemon_Head at Aug 13, '08 10:24 | |
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Walks up to the growing crowd and shakes Lemon_Heads hand Hello, Lemon_Head its gresat to see you making new friends you can be so sour at times...... Laughs at his own joke Anyways, I caught wind of what you were talking about. Its very unfortunate to hear about your father and offer my condolences. The situation of shooting a sick man in his bed because he hasnt shown up for work is a shameful one. Things have to be taken on a case to case basis. If you have a good guy in da crew and he gets sick, what can he do? Let the guy rest up and come back full strength. BUT it would be nice to get a mail from him letting me know that he is doing fine and still plans on coming back to work. After all, you cant wait forever. Communication is the key. Gives him a wink to Lemon_Head after saying a farewell to the other faces in the crowd and starts walking away. As he walks down the street you faintly hear him talking to his body guard "Get it? Sour...Lemon_Head?" funny stuff comrade.....you'll get it in a minute. |
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| Reply by: Czar at Aug 13, '08 11:03 | |
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Lemon_Head stands there looking puzzled until a smile comes across his face, he chuckles o yeh lemons.. sour. Comic genius boss. Thanks, for you boss i will always keep in contact. |
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| Reply by: Lemon_Head at Aug 13, '08 12:14 | |
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Noob notices the crowd slowly disappear but decides he will try and shout to get their attention I think that killing a man whilst he lies ill and bed ridden is like killing a man in the back, or even a small child...trying to make the point that they are defence less! I am not one for killing anyone who is defence less unless they specifically ask to be killed or they have a poor quality of life, i.e. they have been ill for an extended period of time. I guess in this situation there is no wrong or right answer and complaining about it is just sour grapes...(I was going to make a joke with your name but Czar milked the last one) Noob walks off hoping he caught someone's attention |
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| Reply by: Noob at Aug 13, '08 16:28 | |
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Joops walks past and upon hearing the conversation, decides to comment I have a dream... No wait, I believe, that ill men, the elderly, small children, and cute little puppies for that matter, should all be executed, by electric chair, without trial. Just for fun. Walks off content, knowing he made a worthwhile contribution to the discussion |
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| Reply by: Joop at Aug 13, '08 16:33 | |
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