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Greed vs Untrustworthiness | Started by: Mr_Kuklinski on Jul 13, '12 11:58 |
Whilst nothing exists in a vaccum, aside from the deitrus of the household collected in such a device, it is important that no-one feels targeted by the question I am about to posit to you, the peon masses.
Debate rages over whether or not Manius's death was justified. That's not for me to say, that's up to the protagonists involved and interested parties.
But let me ask you this, if one syndicate decides to remove another syndicate, for no other reason than greed, grudge or glee, should that syndicate announce the reasoning for their actions fully and honestly?
Within our community, is there a need for PR? Can thjose with power and guns dispatch others merely because they can?
Does the removal of a business rival always have to be justified? |
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In the simplest terms, yes, the removal of a rival has to be justified. Going out and taking potshots at another crew's man isn't right, and if it doesn't have good reasoning behind it brings about those nasty wars that ravage our cities from time to time. |
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Reply by: Darkhawk765 at Jul 13, '12 12:03 | |
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What about an internal conflict? Or one city attacking another.
For example.
City A wipe out City B. City A then send two CLs to City B to set up HQs. City A takes to the Streets to say "we did it to make money".
Is this what we want? Would it be acceptable? |
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Reply by: Mr_Kuklinski at Jul 13, '12 12:13 | |
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It all depends on what YOU think is justifiable. |
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Reply by: MikeHunt at Jul 13, '12 12:18 | |
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I agree with Mike, in a way. War is never a first option. If someone fucks with you, you mention it to your CL and hopefully they can help stop the problem. If they can't, then they can consider hitting the mattresses. |
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Reply by: Darkhawk765 at Jul 13, '12 12:20 | |
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Mysterion listens to the speaker from a rooftop, before giving his view on the questions raised to the astonished looking crowd looking up at him. |
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Reply by: Mysterion at Jul 13, '12 12:33 | |
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Of course those in power can dispatch people at will. I have said many times before that, the community, its actions, they way its run and what is seen as acceptable is very subject to the crime syndicates that are currently in power. what is seen as acceptable in one era, may not be accepted in another. you are a product of your own environment, we will all do well to remember such a phrase. |
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Reply by: Space-pole at Jul 13, '12 12:39 | |
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Another question you might want to think about is, "Does everything have to be promoted in the Streets?" |
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Reply by: MikeHunt at Jul 13, '12 12:39 | |
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Sorry for cutting you off Space-pole. Seems we had the same point. The need to know basis. |
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Reply by: MikeHunt at Jul 13, '12 12:40 | |
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In my humble opinion, Leaders don't need to give any explanation of their action to the public. They have earned their place at the top of the food chain and they can choose to do Whatever they want. If a leader wishes to kill a -48, he or she can do it. If a leader wants to ban a person from their city or even from all the cities, he or she can do it. If any leader has the necessary fire power to take out every other Family around and replace them with his/her own stooges,He/She can do it. There is no explanation necessary |
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Reply by: Ares at Jul 13, '12 12:43 | |
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Thats ok pal, great minds, and all that shizzle. |
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Reply by: Space-pole at Jul 13, '12 12:44 | |
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Personally, and probably a result of not being "inner circle", without the explainations that our present leaders have brought to the streets over the last couple months, I might find life so boring as to end it myself. So while I dont believe any actions need justification, I believe we all have a need to know, at least if wearing a button, otherwise why be here very long? |
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Reply by: Brucie_Kibbutz at Jul 13, '12 15:02 | |
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I think like with many things in our particular brand of the mob, you're finding a balance between being a mobster and being an entertainer. The mobster way, in this most recent case, the acting city head should only talk to the other city heads. Hey, we have an internal conflict here, but we're in control of our crews and no one else is in danger. Then in turn those city heads can notify their own members.
However, from an entertainment perspective, admit it or not, we love the shit out of thugs and civilians getting angry, emotional, and hearing them argue with everyone else. |
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Reply by: Vasily at Jul 13, '12 15:16 | |
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UA recently heard somewhere of questions. Questions involving whether explanations were required after a take-down. Did she hear this in the coffee shops? Was it the streets? She can't remember. They reverberated in her mind for nearly a week. She can't seem to shake it.
UA laughs. Fully and honestly? Fully, no. Not everything is our business. Honestly .. If you are going to come to the streets with anything at all it'd be nice to have an honest announcement.
Should the syndicate announce the reasoning? Eh, they can but there are always two sides to everything. Expecting full disclosure is a dillusional expectation. We are going to hear what they want us to hear. With the events in New York, we heard a report of the Events in New York and a ghost appeared to report The Betrayal of Manius. Two very conflicting reports. I don't know if this was a power move, vendetta, the removal of a businessman rival or whatnot and the reports pretty much offset each other. |
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Reply by: Undercover-Angel at Jul 19, '12 16:32 | |
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Negative. I apologize for not listening to everybody's reply so if I repeat what another has said, forgive me.
Those in power have no obligation to come to the streets and report their reasons to the masses. As much as we want to know the reasons, the powers that be should not feel compelled to appease us. And if they decide to come to the streets and simply say "because we can," then so be it. It's there prerogative.
As one of the "peon masses" I absolutely want to know the reasons behind EVERY war. That doesn't mean I'm entitled.
That's not to say that leaders shouldn't discuss their motives with other leaders, they probably should. But that can be done behind closed doors.
As for those leaders who have come out in the past and reported on their reasons for their part in a particular war...don't we always have to take that with a grain of salt? They could be lying, and more often than not, their story is only half of the entire story.
And another note: Don't interpret this to mean I don't think leaders should have to come to the streets. I think street presence is very important. |
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Reply by: VitoCapone at Jul 19, '12 17:12 | |
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I must say this I do not believe war needs to be justified in the sense everyone else may be thinking of. If you look at what the meaning of Justify is you will find it as this: to show (an act, claim, statement, etc.) to be just or right. Well none of here in this thing of ours can be called Just or we would not be in this life. So we must theirfore use the other defination of right. Well in This Thing of Ours only one thing makes Right and that is Might. So if you got the Might then you also have the Right. |
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Reply by: Robb_Stark at Jul 20, '12 20:14 | |
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