What I'm saying is that if I'm in LA, what concern of mine is it that NY is restructuring?

Your scenario is irrelevant as that didn't happen. None of LA's members got shot. If LA wanted to know what was going on, what stopped them from asking? Nothing. Just because they weren't informed doesn't automatically mean they were targeted, because they weren't.

You've missed off an option as to what LA can do if they are informed, leak it to Manius. If they aren't informed, they can't leak it to him as it is already in progress, thus potentially saving the attackers family members.

I would accept that NY should have notified LA out of courtesy after the fact, even if it is nothing to do with them out of courtesy, but certainly not beforehand.

It doesn't matter how NY won, just that they did. To launch an attack on anyone and lose is a disgrace and a mistake. If you didn't predict Philly would join in with NY, then you shouldn't have been involved in the planning of any such attack anyway.

The only way I see this as having been avoided, temporarily, was if Manius was left alive. Who can say what would have happened in that scenario? Nobody, because it didn't happen. Once he had been killed, regardless of whether NY had told LA before, after, or even sent them an explanation gift wrapped with a bow on top, this would still have happened and all the other reasons besides that are hollow.

And Downer, what seems to have happened here after not getting compensation is the decimation of their own organizations. Bravo.

"What I'm saying is that if I'm in LA, what concern of mine is it that NY is restructuring? "

I like your friend bob's apartment, so I shoot him and move in. What concern is that of yours? Do I really need to spell that shit out for you?

Your examples missed one option off in example A


Tip off Manius.


Facts of the matter are quite simple. Manius was close to LA, LA had already said they would back him in an internal war. You throw around words like fool, yet you would tell a city you know will back someone you are about to engage of your plans.

Seriously

You say NY wouldn't have won without Philly's help.

LA wouldn't have been able to war without Las Vegas's help.

It is all about alliances and as Whitey pointed out quite eloquently, not even 2 months ago someone tried to war this alliance and got their butt kicked, what on earth made the powers that be think that it would fall through again...


You can scream, you can shout, you can be as eloquent as you want but the fundamentals of why LA went to war won't change.

They were pissed Manius got took out and were paranoid as fuck. LA members had plenty of friends in New York, they only had to ask one or two and would have been told that there was never a war plan to take down LA.

Instead when sat with a king and a queen playing blackjack they took a hit and went bust.

" Facts of the matter are quite simple. Manius was close to LA, LA had already said they would back him in an internal war. You throw around words like fool, yet you would tell a city you know will back someone you are about to engage of your plans."

So let's just move into "everything Isiah_Rhodes just said is right" land just for the sake of argument.

What you are saying is that NY knew it was eliminating someone that LA said they would back, and now NY is shocked and appalled that LA decided to get revenge for the killing of someone they explicitly backed.

Downer, would you tell me beforehand that you're going to shoot him and move in? No, of course not. So don't be so fucking stupid and expect it here.

Also, if he was involved in the Mafia and based across the country, I would say it is of no concern to me. Sure, I might be annoyed about it, but that is the life he led, I'm not going to stamp my feet and ask why nobody told me about it beforehand. Get real.

Aragon. Please tell me one of your friend's names, if you have any. I will shoot him. Don't worry though, I'll make sure to do it in a city three hours' flight time away so it won't bother you.

Please stop being so publicly and offensively stupid. If you're going to be stupid, at least keep it somewhere it won't annoy me.

Please warn me beforehand. That's what we should all expect to happen.

Aye, they could have tipped of Manius.

Yes, I do state that NY wouldn't have not stood a chance if Philly would have not gotten involved. I state this because my father was on the battlefield when Apples and Lance were taken out by none other than JohnGalt.

Respectfully you may think what you want and state your opinions on things but we all know that things would have gone differently if things were taken the correct way

Booth tips his hat to Isiah,Argon,and everyone else

How far do you want to go back Booth?

Marston never leaving LA so that he would have been the leader and the paranoia would never have set in?


Jack not being 1%ed in a war and dying, another who doesn't suffer from paranoia?


If your Aunt had bollocks she would be your uncle.


That is a hell of a lot of what ifs.


Making big shots is all well and good, but let me throw in a fucking huge if, IF you win the war. If you didn't then it means fuck all.

JohnGalt is dead RIP as is nearly everyone from LA and LV taken to war over paranoia that could easily have been cleared.

One thing that hasn't been reported is the amount of children from the Manius family that ended up in LA. Coincidence that the paranoia levels rose to such an extent after this or something more sinister.

What I want to know is why LA and LV didn't notify NY or Philly beforehand that this was going to be happening?

Aww that must have struck a nerve with you.

Facts are Facts enough said

Why did LA & LV not let Philly know they were about to attack NY? I find this outrageous and despicable. Infact, Allah shall smite both cities were they not already smited for such disgusting behavior.

What I want to know is why LA and LV didn't notify NY or Philly beforehand that this was going to be happening?

LV were led to believe NY was going to attack them, 3 members of Apples (RIP) family had attacked LV in recent times. Apples herself contacted members of LV to enquire about the surge of demotions to employ bodyguards in LV. There were other concerns that NY were paying close attention to LV for some reason, and with the knowledge that LV were soon to be attacked by NY, LV agreed to join forces with LA and make a move against NY.

It was not the desire to attack Philly, though it was largely expected they would defend New York due to their connections. Due to this Philly weren't contacted in advance on the offchance that they would still back up New York.

The war that LA/LV started was always going to be a tough fight, one they didn't think they could win if truth be told, especially were Philly to get involved. But they saw no reason to sit back and allow others to bring war to them first, as it had so seemed certain it would.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, whether NY had plans to attack LV is now irrelevant, whats done is done. The time is now to rebuild and move on from this.


P.S. Prior to the recent contact from Apples, LV leaders had met on 2 prior occassions to discuss New York and they all agreed NOT to move against them. At that point they only reasoning was the fact that NY seemed laregely unstable, it was thought that with time that would resolve itself and so there was no reason to risk the lives of Vegas members at that point. As things later escalated another meeeting was called and it was agreed by all LV leaders that war seemed the only choice.

Just to clear a few things up here LA buried the WS not NY, LV were never asked or informed to help take down Manius the only people we contacted were our closest ally PH it really had no concern to anyone else.

Not once did NY or PH for that matter plan on attacking LA, seems your reasoning for attacking NY was nothing more than paranoia but then you did have a paranoid freak in charge, the real reason? LA were bum chums with Manius and didn't like the fact we had removed him, so instead of waiting to see how things planned out you effectively suicided two cities bravo great leadership there, did you really think you would win?

It was not the desire to attack Philly, though it was largely expected they would defend New York due to their connections. Due to this Philly weren't contacted in advance on the offchance that they would still back up New York.

Exactly my point. And it makes perfect sense to me for them to do that.

I guess the irony of this is LA/LV think you should tell everyone when you are about to war someone. Yet they chose not to tell PH that they were going to war NY.


Sorry if it seems I am laughing a lot, because I am quite clearly.

Isiah. Please don't combine LV as one city. They both had their own reasons for this war. At no point has LV said they should have been notified in advance of any attacks planned by other cities.

Laugh all you like, though. Who really gives a fuck.

Can I say LV and Slashes family instead? Or was LV not a united city under its Godfather?

If you are referring to LA and LV, it is unfortunately rather difficult to separate them when JohnGalt whose personal diaries these reasons have come from died as a member of Las Vegas.

Pretty obvious Galt was only moved there for the RHM to GF shot boost.

I have to ask one thing?

What does it matter whether LA or LV was informed of Manius' take down? It's was NY's choice whether to remove him from power. They didn't need permission. Did PoisonousJelly inform Philly or Chicago that they planned to attempt at removing NY from the map? No. Seems really ridiculous to me.. a city can do what they want.

Eric takes a quick breath

They shouldn't need to inform 'another' city about their own cities affairs in terms of take downs etc. No city should.