I think you vote on the suggestion.

Remove wackback and replace it with a tapering effect to slow down gun progression at the top end.

If the vote fails then a new suggestion could be brought in, sponsored, discussed and voted on.

I agree with El_Nino.

When before have we voted for something that the suggestion wasn't for? Nobody sponsored the suggesstion to keep wackback and add in tapering, it has to go through the proper process to get to a vote, not just be passed through because you want it to happen.

Ok, that sounds fair to me.

I think the fundementals behind people wanting to keep wackback death is a romantic attachment to game changing events, they are failing to take into account that the reason it was put into place was not to change the game at random times but to try and slow down guns specifically at the top end.

As a reason for doing that, it has failed. I revert to my earlier comment, this isn't a player offering this as a suggestion it is a coder and it speaks volumes that a coder has decided to post.


You can come up with all sorts of arguments you like regarding wackback death but statistically it will not slow down the advancement of a gun, the ability itself is fundementally flawed because a gun explosion can not happen against a BG shot. The time when you shoot at someone and their BG shoots you can not happen on a BG shot.

As romantic as it is in keeping with old things, I hate to be the person saying it but wackback death is an outdated idea in the modern world of mafia returns. Any idea of even keeping it would need it being recoded in to take into account shots on BGs.

I think 95% of the player commission agree tapering is by far the most efficient way of achieving the target the coders want. Tapering should also include all shots so BG shots, player shots, NPC shots, MIA shots the lot. In doing this and probably rolling it back to anyone who is a professional wacker you will achieve your tapering target.

I am torn between whether the tapering should be common knowledge along with where your gun ranks on the game or not. I do quite like the idea that you can see what rank your gun is overall and in doing so it would add a dynamic calculation to shot reports as your gun moves up and down the scale and what a kill counts for. It would also make shot reporting a damn site harder work and show the true hitters from the part timers.

The fundamentals behind my desire for wackback death to remain have been well explained at this point, none of which stem from a romanticised view of it, it's purposes or it's effects and I think the counter arguments have been insufficient in alleviating the concerns I have.

As suggested, I have called the vote on the original suggestion and have voted accordingly. There will be no second vote as previously mentioned.

I really don't think there is a need for everyone to know where they stand on if they are within the top 10 or 1.5% which ever is decided. Let them assume they are above or bellow that level & they make their shooting decisions based upon their assumptions.