Could we have an option coded in that would allow donations be returned to the member that sent the money?

I realise this may become a seldom used option, but I feel its one that would be worth while having. This isn't the first time i've had need of this service, so I figure others may have been in this position before also.

Pros: Money can be returned where not required.

Cons: Money shouldn't really be getting sent if not required, so time being spent coding something that is a user awareness issue is effectively a waste of time, plus the fact it could be a very seldom used option.

Despite the two cons that came to mind, I still feel the option would be good to have.

I don't know that the cons are really cons. if my family is having a big ole HQ fort drive, the cances of getting to much sent in are fairly good. so it makes most sense to me to have a button that sends any money in the fort fund back to the donee for exactly that case. on the other hand, if the money is still there, it does mean you have some on hand for repairs.

Indeed, at the moment though I have a fairly substantial figure available for repairs. A figure I would much rather return to the donee as its not required at this point.

I think this only because of the way Detroit has been setup, because you are limited to the fortifications you can have to keep things "fair" you wouldn't need as much cash to repair after a war, but any other city that is Insanely Well Fortified may want a large chunk of cash for repairs during war time then they don't have to worry about getting money sent up at short notice.

In all honesty the way I would go about it is have members tribute rather than contribute to the fortifications and trust that I know what best to spend the tribute on.

This does seem to only be necessary given the current rules set by the leaders governing Detroit. Once those are removed, I can't really see envisage a scenario where this might be needed again.

I had the same issue when I was formerly a leader in Vegas. True, I may have had reason to use the money at some point for repairs; That shouldn't take away from the fact that I had no option but to keep the money in that pot where it could be used for nothing else.

I feel a refund option would be beneficial in this scenario, it surely should be the users choice whether to keep the money or not?

I'm not sure why there is a direct donation to the fortifications anyway, should really be at the leader's discretion in my opinion, so I wouldn't be adverse to a refund option.

I would first like to know why it wasn't coded with this option to begin with, as we were given instructions when it came out that once money was put in there it couldn't be taken out and once we reached our max it would just be stuck there. I wouldn't be adverse to supporting this, if there wasn't a reason for the coding to be the way it is.

Would also be interested to hear from leaders to see if there is any demand for this.

As a RH who has done alot with the HQ forts I feel this option is needed. There are alot of times I feel money is put into the HQ fort when it is not really being upgraded due to money being needed for other things at the current time. I personally have told people not to worry about the HQ Fort at this time but not everybody has or feels the need to do this, a simple button added to give back the money currently in the fund seems like a good idea and one that I see no personal cons with.

I agree with Grin from a PC, and a CL point of view. I don't think a direct donation to fortifications is needed in the slightest. There's just no use for it. The leader can directly donate, the donations members do make don't go into their earnings, and it can't be taken out if it's not needed.

What's the point in it? It should be at the leaders discretion where the money goes, as has already been said.

I personally had an experience where there was a little over 3 million in my HQ funds (for several months).
This money was just sitting there, however it did become useful for me when I relocated from Philly to New Orleans.
At that point, I lost all of my existing fortifications, but at least had 3 million to start buying new fortifications.

The thought of money being useful at times of war seems mute to me. I do not see any crew using the resources during war-time to attack HQ forts.

The big guns will be on big targets.
The mid-range guns will generally be on BGs or any potential proers.
The small guns will be used a proing.

I do not see anyone shooting at the HQ until the war is over, or on the verge of being over.

This money that is idling is pretty much stuck in limbo, until the crew is destroyed, or moves cities.

I feel as though HQ forts should be handled by the CL/RH/LH only.

If I'm not mistaken (and I very well could be), money donated to the HQ Fortification Funds does not even effect the users earnings, so it would be silly for users to even donate directly to the HQ fund. Instead of having a refund ability, I think it would be more beneficial to simply take away crew members ability to donate to the fund itself.

You are correct Phil, the amount donated has zero impact on earnings.

Personally I created this suggestion with the intent for a refund option, but I agree with the others in the sense that mabye a restructure of the actual donation option itself would be better, maybe only CLs and Hands should have the ability to put money into the Fortification pot?

Either suits me just fine. I just don't want members losing money that a CL has no use for. As I touched on before, I had an excess amount of cash in the fort funds before when I was a CL in my previous character, the character was killed in a war and at no time in that war was the HQ attacked, so the money remained unavailable and unused.

I've noticed this happen when I was LHM with Phil.. and I'm ashamed to admit it, but I have 4m currently sitting in the fortification fund, with max fortifications.

Being able to have those funds at my disposal now would be useful, rather than waiting weeks/months for a war, just in case I might need it for fortifications.

I'm easy on the game mechanism - whether it's a refund option or disabling crew members' ability to donate to the fortification fund. I think either is a practical idea and would be a useful change.

Aye that was the idea really, put it back to the member themselves as they are the ones that put the money in the pot.

Whilst I see the thinking behind your idea also Squishy in that the fort is for the members and thats why they pay direct, it does require the CL or RH to purchase the protection, doesn't it? Doesn't that defeat the purpose a little?

Or am I wrong, can members upgrade it too?

What if the code was changed so that when all fortifications were maxed out, the member got a message saying the account had been closed or you can't send that here or something to the effect that doesn't even let them donate the money in the first place?

^ What Cassi said would be Ideal. But some families may have money already deposited in there, like Warrior's was. I'd think it should be returned.