Demotions and bodyguards, this is an issue that has been brought up time and time again. However it's always been about closing the loophole that happens when someone is demoted to get surrounded by bodyguards. It grates with many people but lets be honest there aren't many who would say no to it if offered. So I propose a solution of a different kind.

I'll start with demotions, keep these exactly as they are, however if someone takes a demotion they are unable to purchase bodyguards up to the rank of made man. This part is real simple in my eyes. Demotion is a punishment and is a tool that I feel could be used more as a punishment if it actually carried a punishment with it.

Now on to bodyguards and how to protect hitters and vital personnel at a reasonable cost.

I propose a new feature. Among the many abilities that crew leaders can do give them a new button to press. My idea behind this is so.

Most if not all who take demotions for bodyguards are those who have reached certain milestones with their wack stat. These people need the protection I get this. But building up that wack stat requires kills and lots of them. Not all these kills are gonna be clean, palms need to be greased. What I propose is an option for a crew leader to wipe the slate with their member, pay a fee X million and that person then drops down to made man (my idea behind this is not a demotion, it is that the hitter needs to lay low for a while).

They would then have the option to purchase bodyguards at the same price as if they had taken the demotion to gangster. This price will only be available for 24hrs, after that the price jumps back up to normal made man price.


There by what you would have is both demotions for punishment and an ability to bg up your hitters for cheaper.

Just to be clear, you are proposing CLs pay an extra fee on top of the BG price to demote people and purchase BGs for them at the thug/gangster price?

Yes I am indeed. Crew leader A pays X amount, crew member drops to made man, and can then purchase bodyguards at gangster price.

The crew leaders are still getting the huge benefit of bargain price bodyguard instead of regular price. Plus the crew member will only drop to made so it won't take as long to get them back up to their former rank.

Your Suggestion is pretty good man. I dont see us ever getting rid of that loophole of demotion to get bgs but this way we kinda satisfy both parties though of course no completely. I like how you have made demotions into a punishment again. This lay low thing is brilliant BUT one thing I don't like is the ability for a made man to get gangster prices. The lay low thing should still make them go all the way down to thug. Otherwise you will get guys who are capo and their crewleader will pay to make them lay low and they only drop one rank but get the cheap bg prices. Easily abused. Plus I always thought the one good thing about bging up via demotion is you have to rank all the way up again so it isnt all positive. Now they only get dropped to made man? They still taking advantage of a system. So they should have to drop rank all the way to the bottom if they want the cheap prices. But separating demotions from another feature where the CL has to pay a fee to let their person lay low then they can get the cheap bg prices. I like that.

Your Suggestion is pretty good man. I don't see us ever getting rid of that loophole of demotion to get bgs but this way we kinda satisfy both parties though of course no completely. I like how you have made demotions into a punishment again. This lay low thing is brilliant BUT one thing I don't like is the ability for a made man to get gangster prices. The lay low thing should still make them go all the way down to thug. Otherwise you will get guys who are capo and their crew leader will pay to make them lay low and they only drop one rank but get the cheap bg prices. Easily abused. Plus I always thought the one good thing about bging up via demotion is you have to rank all the way up again so it isn't all positive. Now they only get dropped to made man? They still taking advantage of a system. So they should have to drop rank all the way to the bottom if they want the cheap prices.

But separating demotions from another feature where the CL has to pay a fee to let their person lay low then they can get the cheap bg prices. I like that.

Sorry about the fuck up there

I don't actually think they should go roght down to Thug, the way I see things these prople are of high importance to family and have already made their bones so that should only happen once.

What I would be open too is a set price for just those bodyguards but to make it worthwhile then the price would need to be low in terms of BG price. What I would add to combat abuse of this would be a cooling off period after lying low before that member can do it again. Say something like 10 days.

Tom, firstly id like to thank you for the suggestion. It's great to see people are still trying to figure out a reasonable solution to one of MR's biggest issues.

Personally, I'm not entirely sold on the idea, I do think however that its a step in the right direction, and more so it would be an alternative to the current situation that I'd be very content with.

I still feel that bgs should be capped at whichever price of your rank you've reached, e.g the moment you hit gangster, you can only pay the gangster price even if your dropped back to thug. Having the protection Iwp affords should never be easy to obtain and these days its far too easy.

PC-Warrior I can understand that it seems easy but it's actually still not. It still costs 75,750,000 for the minimum IWP, now I know that there are various ways of making the money, what with DFP's and CA's, not to mention credits. But it is still something that is done in stages. Not everyone gets demoted at the same time. These are usually spaced out and often follow a crew holding a donations competition or something similar.

What we have been having lately is that with the longevity more are getting to points of being heavy hitters so more are getting this kind of protection. Which may make it seem to be easier.

I can understand feeling that way. But this feature I don't see as being based on rank. That's why I called it laying low and only dropped the rank to Mademan. Also as this is a feature for the purpose of buying cheaper bodyguards then have a set price for it. Say double the price of a gangster BG. Gathering together 150,000,000 is still a task and with each family having multiple decent guns getting that kinda cash up constantly quickly is gonna be exactly easy.

I would also say there would need to be a trigger, so say a person either needed to be at least a Consig or have a wack stat of X say a figure in the triples say 250 (I'm thinking a number that isn't too low but at the same time lower than say half of what the top gun has.

Also this price would only be available for 6 hours after that it reverts back to official made man price.